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i'd haven't no idea about the conflict between paulie zink , michael matsuda and the original tai shing pek kwar family branch in hong kong . i'v read about this in www.chinesekungfuonline.com/english .
but this facts show by original tai shing pek kwar lineage don't stoped the career of paulie zink , who have a place in the american kung fu multimedia comunity .
i don't want start a conflictive topic with this . i only want hear new points of view about this matter .
Quite plainly, the controversy (at least at the time) was that Zink made claims in his version of the monkey kung fu family tree that conflicted with the original branch (Monkey King's as he is known more popularly). In addition, the claim was made that he used pictures from the original branch's collection that he did not have permission for.
While I try to stay objective on this matter, I find it difficult because Zink and company never returned any e-mail I sent that inquired about this. In fact, it was later that any contact information on his web site was removed. Someone who tries to appear honest and respectful probably would not try to hide, and this appears to be the case. There are other points that could be made, but these are the basics.
Sorry that this is a year late.
Doug M
Now you know.Quote:
i'd haven't no idea about the conflict between paulie zink , michael matsuda and the original tai shing pek kwar family branch in hong kong . i'v read about this in www.chinesekungfuonline.com/english ..
That is a curious thing isn't it?Quote:
but this facts show by original tai shing pek kwar lineage don't stoped the career of paulie zink , who have a place in the american kung fu multimedia comunity ..
I don't really have a point of view. Not being a student or comrade of either monkeys. I do like monkeys though, don't get me wrong, monkeys are cool.Quote:
i don't want start a conflictive topic with this . i only want hear new points of view about this matter .
Well, not really if you understand the way it happened in the first place. Zink made his claim to fame before the authentic school arrived in Canada. Much had been done at that time. Since there seems no easy way to contact Zink and crew because no contact exists online, one would need to find him. And given that capitalism promotes all sorts of people, including those who steal, there is a market for those interested in the unusual and mysterious. Monkey kung fu was such a mystery the, and it was available through Zink to the U.S. So his success may seem curious or strange, but adding up the progression of events shows that the strange is probable. Depending on who you choose to believe, the probable is either the result of popularity and success or the result of theft and misrepresentation.Quote:
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but this facts show by original tai shing pek kwar lineage don't stoped the career of paulie zink , who have a place in the american kung fu multimedia comunity ..
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That is a curious thing isn't it?
Did I fail to mention that, after responding on his web site to claims made against his monkey style, Zink chose not to include contact information? Before the online response, one could contact him by e-mail.
Doug M
just out of curiousity ..why is this posted in the southern board ? , monkey kung fu is northern.
anyway
http://www.martialinfo.com/websites/...gfu/monkey.htm
this has a chart of paulie zinks lineage, and on the left hand side you will notice that there is reference to gm chan sau chung.
I suppose this implies that they learned from seperate teachers...
I honestly don't know what to make of this situation.
...looking at the site Paulie Zink's instructor was allegedly Cho Chat Ling. Why doesn't someone contact him to clear things up then?
That is the problem. Cho Chat Ling is not part of the authentic Tai Shing Pek Qwar lineage. Those who I talked to (sorry, but please do not ask me who) do not know who he is. From this is the confusion over why Zink claims to be a bearer of monkey kung fu. I have wondered if there is more to "not knowing him" than I was told, but the issue also goes beyond Ling. From using material without perrmission to misrepresenting the art, there are other things involved.Quote:
Originally posted by iron_silk
...looking at the site Paulie Zink's instructor was allegedly Cho Chat Ling. Why doesn't someone contact him to clear things up then?
And I have tried to contact Zink numerous times before, and I received no replies.
Doug M
Yeah he obviously ripped off stuff and questionable kung fu moves but I was wondering if any body tried to contact Cho Chat Ling and find out his background etc...or did Paulie Zink just got a pic of a guy and made up a Chinese "like" name?
Who knows? He possibly could have met Cho Chat Ling, and this person may have taught him all this stuff. However, from the perspective of the standard bearers of authentic (meaning from Hong Kong) Tai Shing Pek Qwar, this person is not part of their family tree. Zink is also not there.
And no one knows Zink's perspective (other than that silly Q&A session on his web site) because he does not leave any contact information around.
Doug M
Funny enough, here is Zink with porn star Asia Carrera on a set (don't worry--nothing "porny" here):
so who then exactly is the authentic lineage holder of tai shing pek kwar in the United States?
You guys do make a strong case against Zink. However, the guy has won some championships at kung fu tournaments. So if his stuff is not real monkey kung fu, then why didn't the judges at these tournaments notice it? As for tai shing pek kwar in the United States, I belive Sifu Chan Tai-shan used to teach it in New York, but he is no longer teaching. I believe one of his students, I think his name is Gus Kapros, teaches it in New York, but I believe he makes you master Lama Kung fu and Choy lif fut first, but I am not totally 100% sure about that, so please do not quote me on it. Peace.
I was thinking they were open tournements(Kungfu, Karate, etc. all thrown in together) in forms competition... I used to train at a fake kungfu school that had no less than 3 grand champs from these kind of competitions.Quote:
You guys do make a strong case against Zink. However, the guy has won some championships at kung fu tournaments.
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I'm sick of hearing about frauds and martial arts political crap, so I'm going to try not and take part in any more of these discussions(incase anyone read that last part and is wondering why I deleted it) :p
really? nothing but hearsay I am reading.Quote:
You guys do make a strong case against Zink.
Oh I don't know....maybe because the US knows jack about authentic chinese martial arts for the most part? They think leaping around like bruce in enter the dragon is enough.Quote:
However, the guy has won some championships at kung fu tournaments. So if his stuff is not real monkey kung fu, then why didn't the judges at these tournaments notice it?
I mean come on, I hear of guys who make up forms on teh fly at tournaments and win, and besides, america is home of the musical kata, so there you have it...in a sort of sardonic and bitter way :p
consider yourself quoted! lol. Ask Dave Ross about Chan sifu. I believe that was his Lama kungfu teacher and he might know whether or not Chan taught pek kwar, tai hsing pek kwar, et al.Quote:
As for tai shing pek kwar in the United States, I belive Sifu Chan Tai-shan used to teach it in New York, but he is no longer teaching. I believe one of his students, I think his name is Gus Kapros, teaches it in New York, but I believe he makes you master Lama Kung fu and Choy lif fut first, but I am not totally 100% sure about that, so please do not quote me on it. Peace.
Also, I think Abel does some monkey fist stuff, and then tehre is the new (well fairly new) shaolin monkey stuff which is not the same as pek kwar.
Then there's the contemporary wushu version of monkey style...
anyway, say whatever you want about paul zink, he's doing his thing and who cares. I think his detractors protest too much frankly and in trying to make paul lose face, they themselves have lost some for being a bit overboard on their complaining and moaning.
All kungfu did not come from hong kong after all and there are more than a few charlatans there as well.
anyway... just saying my p.o.v I really don't care much about it beyond that little bit of drivel.
cheers
it is one thing to protest too much and to make another person lose face...maybe that is vendictive or mean spirited
BUT in this case it could be NOT! Assuming Chan is correct (especially given his long documented career and mentions even on Paul's chart) wouldn't it be wrong and insulting is someone else tried to mis-use the name of your style and lineage for their own benefit? Especially if the style is not true and potentially creating a bad name for your system? Even if they are making good PR for your system do you want any part of it since they have no right to even use the name?
I'm not starting a fight, I am just trying to give another perspective. Because is does matter what other's do if they try damage something you hold dear to. When something is wrong it is just wrong. If you want to go let it go and it's up to you then fine but otherwise..."evil prosper as long as good men do nothing" (or however it goes.)
Remember I don't really know what is what...that is why I brought up the whole find Cho Chat Ling person to clear up mess question ok?