Ancient American, Polynesian, Asian Civilization
I am starting this thread because this has been on my mind lately. I think there is evidence of a pre-historical civilization with culture and influence linking together the Americas, Polynesia, and different places in Asia.
Lets start by analyzing the statues of Easter Island. They are large statues depicted with long ears, a top knot on the head, and they have their hands over their navels. These statues are very old. Now let's look at how Buddha is depicted in different statues, etc.- long ears, a top knot, with hands over navel. Hmm.
Could it be that the statues of Easter Island depict a deity or cultural concept that pre-dates Buddhism, which modern Buddhism as we know it today, was influenced from? (but maybe modern people have "cultural amnesia" of this); or perhaps vice versa?
There have also been little Easter Island statues found in South America, in places like Bolivia, Colombia and Peru, as well as other small statues which depict people with long ears, wearing a head-dress, sitting in a lotus position. Easter Island is very easy to get to from South America, in fact it was (and maybe still is?) under colonial rule from Chile.
We know that the Polynesian culture made their way up to what is now parts of North America- certain NDN Nations, such as in California, have very Polynesian-like language, customs and even water-craft.
Some of the lesser-known stone works of Easter Island such as family heirlooms, look very Meso-American. The Pacific Ocean is also the birthplace of Tsunamis- look what has happened to the Phillipines the other month, Japan and Indonesia in recent years. Researchers and professionals have found sunken Archipelogo's of Islands in the Pacific Ocean. Now think. If this was thousands of years ago, wouldn't these now-sunken archipelogo's of islands have made it easier to island-hop, and to navigate from Asia to the Americas and all through-out Polynesia? Could there be a shared historical culture here that the "experts" are missing?
For instance I heard of one shrine in Bangkok Thailand houses a faithful reproduction of a relic, a gold stone, that commemorates the loss of an early homeland. And don't some of the Polynesian ceremonies have a striking resemblance to Asian ceremonies, such as hand gestures in dances, etc. Lastly I would add that some of the pre-Incan temples in Peru have strikingly the same design as the earliest known temples in Japan. Does anybody else have any more insights about a Native American, Polynesian and Asian homelands connection?
(Note: Please do not bring up the Bering Strait theory. First of all, it is just a theory, not scientific fact. There is carbon dated charcoal evidence that people were in Central America 50,000 yrs. ago, and 30,000 yrs. ago in Texas, USA and Peru. The oldest sites in Connecticut (USA) archeologists dug was 18,000 years ago. So sorry, if people came over to the America's over the Bering land bridge 10,000 years ago, that only accounts for one group of Native peoples, not all Native peoples of Turtle Island. A great book to read I recommend is Vine Deloria Jr's books "Red Earth, White Lies" and "God is Red.")
As someone of Native American descent (from the north-eastern United States/Canada) I find this area of research interesting. It is time to once and for all set the record straight about who we are, and not what the white man wants us or tells us to be. Also, Charles Darwin is one of the biggest scientific frauds in human history. This kind of research is in it's infancy, and if anyone has anymore insights into a pre-historical American/Polynesian and Asian connection, then let's use this thread for that. This kind of research could get into things like:
Is the concept of Buddhism, and Buddhist relics (as highlighted by Easter Island examples) be older than modern people realize? Were these teachings practiced in the ancient Americas, in Polynesia and ancient Asia? Could it be that the way people perceive and depict Buddhism these days (even for a few thousand years) just be the latest incarnation of this very old concept?? Was there an ancient shared civilization between these places?
sweet potatos in s. america/polynesia
Thanks david for the insight. no, you are not sounding too dark or cynical, more people should think like that so they realize what they're doing!
Here is some info about sweet potatoes. as far as researchers can tell, they originated in central and south America almost 10,000 yrs. ago. yet, they are also found in Polynesia, such as Hawaii and Easter Island for a couple thousand years back. So, how else did they get to the Polynesian islands if it wasn't for cultural exchange thousands of years ago between south America and Polynesia? Here is some info from the article I dug up:
{The sweet potato (Ipomoea batatas) is a root crop, probably first domesticated somewhere between the Orinoco river in Venezuela north to the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico. The oldest sweet potato discovered to date was in the Tres Ventanas cave in the Chilca Canyon region of Peru, ca. 8000 BC, but it is believed to have been a wild form. Recent genetic research suggests that Ipomoea trifida, native to Colombia, Venezuela and Costa Rica, is the closest living relative of I. batantas, and may be its progenitor.
The oldest remains of domesticated sweet potato in the Americas were found in Peru, about 2500 BC. In Polynesia, decidedly precolumbian sweet potato remains have been found in the Cook Islands by AD 1000-1100, Hawai'i by AD 1290-1430, and Easter Island by AD 1525. }
The domestic form of the sweet potato cannot be grown from seed and has to be propagated by tuber cuttings (a bit like a some commercial varieties of normal potato). It also gets killed by seawater. Yet it is grown widely across the tropical and sub-tropical Polynesian islands of the Pacific and appears to have been grown there since pre-Columbian times.
Perhaps most revealing is the sweet potato’s name, generally variants on the word ‘kumara‘ in Polynesian dialects (including Easter Island’s)%. If it had been brought by Spanish or other European sailors it would have had names reflecting that European origin, such as ‘batata‘, ‘kamote‘ or some such. However, the name is remarkably similar to a Quechua (Peruvian) name for the sweet potato, ‘khumara‘.
Obsidian Tools Found in New England
There are a number of obsidian artifacts found in New England, such as obsidian stones incorporated in Native American cairn fields (www.nativestones.com), and arrowhead points, etc. Obsidian is a very sharp stone formed from lava, it is sharper than a piece of sharp glass, for instance, very easy to cut with (and perform surgery with- the indigenous culture of the America's and Polynesia did in fact use Obsidian for surgery.) Obsidian was widely used in the American West Coast and in Polynesia.
However, Obsidian cannot be obtained in New England, it is not found there, the closest sources would have had to of been traded from as far away as places like Utah, California, Washington and Oregon states in the USA. So this is yet more evidence of extensive pre-colonial trade routes, we are talking about thousands of miles.
I have seen examples of these obsidian artifacts in New England with my own eyes. An interesting article some professionals did you can Google is: "Analysis of an Obsidian Bi-face Reportedly Found in the Connecticut River Valley of Vermont."
South American Statuettes Lotus Position
Here are some awesome-looking pics of pre-colonial statuettes from South America! They are sitting in a lotus posture!
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/im.../life48_36.jpg