merry christmas all i was just curious about the different methods of spear hand training some of you prefer to do
id like to see all the different methods from all the styles we have on here:D
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merry christmas all i was just curious about the different methods of spear hand training some of you prefer to do
id like to see all the different methods from all the styles we have on here:D
sand
small gravel
large gravel
broken bottles
I really can't recommend broken bottles. I have trained my hands for this weapon, and I don't think it matters what system or style you practice. You need to strengthen the hand and focus it to strike in as stable a manner as possible. I use the ring and middle finger as the striking points, the little finger and the pointer tend to brace them and help hold them together under impact. These fingers are in direct line with the wrist and forearm bones and are closer to the same length, making them a better choice. Now, When striking you have to give your hand an option in case it strikes a solid surface. You strike with an angle so that the hand can collapse up or down or toward the knuckles should this occur.
That said, I used sand in a large box or pail. You drive each hand down as deeply as you can into the sand. Your hand will at first not penetrate well. The fingers will seperate and go in different directions. The wrist will collapse. Continue doing this a while, every day, over and over, and eventually the fingers will hold together and the hand will strike in a more stable and direct manner. The hand will not collapse and will penetrate up to and beyond the wrist into the sand. I do not feel using gravel is going to help stablize the hand any better, but it might help deaden the nerves and kill sensation to prevent pain. I don't recommend this if you intend to make a living using your hands. Most people use their hands no matter what sort of work they do. This simple method of training your spear hand (kill hand) will give you the ability to inflict grave injury with your hands. This weapon is more suited to striking nerve centers, and areas of the body not well protected. Groin, not testicles, but groin, the line from pelvic bridge to the hip bone, is a dangerous strike, the throat, eyes, liver and solar plexus, and several other striking locations. You can paralyze an arm, or kill a person. But in order to do this you have to have the weapon trained to do it. The reason people tend to make fun of the eye poke or finger jab is because they do not have the ability nor have they seen this ability before and it to them does not exist.
LCP
I really can't recommend broken bottles. I have trained my hands for this weapon, and I don't think it matters what system or style you practice. You need to strengthen the hand and focus it to strike in as stable a manner as possible. I use the ring and middle finger as the striking points, the little finger and the pointer tend to brace them and help hold them together under impact. These fingers are in direct line with the wrist and forearm bones and are closer to the same length, making them a better choice. Now, When striking you have to give your hand an option in case it strikes a solid surface. You strike with an angle so that the hand can collapse up or down or toward the knuckles should this occur.
That said, I used sand in a large box or pail. You drive each hand down as deeply as you can into the sand. Your hand will at first not penetrate well. The fingers will seperate and go in different directions. The wrist will collapse. Continue doing this a while, every day, over and over, and eventually the fingers will hold together and the hand will strike in a more stable and direct manner. The hand will not collapse and will penetrate up to and beyond the wrist into the sand. I do not feel using gravel is going to help stablize the hand any better, but it might help deaden the nerves and kill sensation to prevent pain. I don't recommend this if you intend to make a living using your hands. Most people use their hands no matter what sort of work they do. This simple method of training your spear hand (kill hand) will give you the ability to inflict grave injury with your hands. This weapon is more suited to striking nerve centers, and areas of the body not well protected. Groin, not testicles, but groin, the line from pelvic bridge to the hip bone, is a dangerous strike, the throat, eyes, liver and solar plexus, and several other striking locations. You can paralyze an arm, or kill a person. But in order to do this you have to have the weapon trained to do it. The reason people tend to make fun of the eye poke or finger jab is because they do not have the ability nor have they seen this ability before and it to them does not exist.
LCP
LCP: obviously your teacher taught you wrong.
LCP,
really.
ridiculous.
not really a big fan of spear hand. I was taught it but in a fight i feel i'm more comfortable with just a fist. to me it leaves to much room for error and a hurt hand. but everyone there own.
seen a lot of people on here talk about phoenix eye and the apps they do with it. I'm guessing with proper training it could be applicable same as spear hand, but again i'm just more comfortable with fist and kicks. :p
Well now see what I mean. You prefer the fist. Personally, I would never use the pheonix eye whatever. I can kill a man with my spear hand. I have trained it and I like to use it. It can be far more destructive than a fist strike if you use it right. And as for my teacher not teaching me right, or my being rediculous, it would be more appropriate if you would stop with the one liners and actually discuss with some sort of reasoning. If I am wrong I would like to hear a reasonable arguement as to why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonzbane76
I could teach you in no time to use the spear hand to where you will hurt no one but your opponent. You can't just shape the hand like a spear and go to stabbing with it. You will break something off in no time at all. This is why you have to train it and strengthen it to that end. Only I don't call it a spear hand. It is not used necessarily as a spear. It is the Dragon Hand or kill hand.
LCP
seriously, if you can't summon the determination and will to thrust your hand into a bucket of broken glass...what makes you think you are up to killing someone????
thats actually the first ive heard of thrusting your hands into glass:eek:
martial 'arts' is about killing.
if you're not ready to kill...take up ballroom dancing.
if you are ready to kill...then you will train to kill.
I have never been foolish enough to shove my hand into broken glass, but I have killed with my hands. And I have killed with my feet. It was not fully intentional, but death was the result none the less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oso
I suppose that if one did summon the determination to shove his hand into a bucket full of broken glass he could, but the fact is, flesh and bone will seperate when a sharp shard of glass passes through it. No amount of training is going to prevent that happening.
You can however train your hands to focus energy in a way that will not let you get hurt unless you get crazy with it. By focus, I am speaking of constant practice until the hand can hold itself stable. Sort of like a sharp pencil. You can hold it against the leg and push down on it, and you can if it remains straight, shove it into your leg. If you were to angle it your force could break it before it pierces the leg. Same principal. The hand learns to hold itself straight and develops the strength to hold it there. But, and it is big But, you have to know just how to form the spear hand so that it can be used safely.
LCP
is it any more foolish to shove your hand in to broken glass than it is to take someone's life?
LCP,
really? You have killed someone with your feet and your hands?
It seems you have become separated from reality.
how about post up some photos of these killing limbs as well as yourself.
I am thinking you cannot as you are just another net troll persona.
tsk tsk and youd think some peoples parents woudl raise them not to go around killing people with their limbs
I disagree. When I trained with Shifu Yan Ming he taught that "a true warrior uses his martial arts to spread peace and love." I heard him tell this to almost every new student who inquired about classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oso
i think its both. some will use their skills to oppress and control, some will use their skills to dominate and defeat, some will use their skills to serve and to protect.
it depends on the individual IMO.
martial arts is a tool, it is the weilder that chooses what he will use it for. be it good, evil or neither. none is really more 'correct' than another.
hippie....Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaolin
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Originally Posted by Boston Bagua
I know that it is difficult to except, and I could indeed be a troll, but I do not troll. I was taught hung fa as a young person, and over the years as I became an adult, I used my skills to make part of my living. I have worked for some rather shady people in my life, and I am not someone that you want your children model themselves after. I am a felon and I have done acts of violence for money. In the late 60's I began working at times as a bouncer in rough night clubs. I was forbidden to hurt customers, but was required to prevent them from hurting one another. Sometimes it was not possible.
My first incident was after breaking up a fight, which ended up with both parties wanting to whip me. After they left and all was forgotten, time came for me to go home. In the parking lot I was confronted by one of the men, and another one stabbed me in my back. I managed to shove him backwards into my car and after elbowing him several times I managed to turn and thrust my hand into his throat several times. He dropped down and was sitting against my rear tire, and the other man ran away down the alley. I went inside and called help. Back then an anbulance looked more like a Hurst. I went to the hospital with a punctured left lung and an arm that did not want to work due to severe pain. The officers asked me and I told them what happened. They went outside to look for evidence and the guy was still sitting there dead as a rock.
In another altercation I walked in the back door of another club, early for work. I was talking to a couple of other bouncers and a fellow leaned in between them and stabbed me in my left chest. Cut right through my nipple and rib and into the same lung again. It hurt really bad, and the knife would not come out. He lost his grip on it and tried to grab at it. I could not use that arm because the blade was through my pectoris muscle. I grabbed his hand with my right hand and rolled it into a wrist lock. He bent over forward to relieve the pressure and was about to pull loose from me, so I shot a heel kick directly into the top of his head. I felt the skull crush in and knew instantly that he was seriously hurt. He didn't even convulse. He simply died almost instantly. I went to jail on that one. This is why I said it was not intended as such, but it happened none the less. If you fight, there is always a chance of this.
I can not tell you how many times I have been taken into court and sued for injuring someone.
My hands look like anyone elses hands except maybe the number of scars and the crooked fingers. You would not recognize me even if you did see a picture of me, and no, I do not have video footage of myself killing anyone. Lets not be rediculous.
LCP
i once shot this guy in reno.......:D
well, i dont know you one way or another, not trying to credit nor discredit. i do have a friend who went to prison for 'accidentally' killing someone in a fight. excessive violence, deadly weapon (brass knuckles), dead guy. i lost touch with him, but he was going to be away for a while. not sure what ever happened to him. it was kind of an accident. i wasnt there, but from knowing the guy, i wouldnt believe it to be accidental. he was seriously crazy, and not just wild, the guy was satanic. he had zero training, he was just crazy.
'Lucas...is...is that you?!?!?!?'
is that you ?!?! howd you get out? you didnt spoon your way out through the wall and swim did you?
Many if us have done things we are not proud of and care not to dicsuss, that is why we don't discuss it.
When someone brings stuff like that up for no reason, well....one wonders about the legitimacy of it.
I asked for photos of you and your "deadly" hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Chiang Po
All this cryptic speak is BS.
Post up some photos of your deadly spear hands.
I was not asking for video of you killing anyone. You really need to take some remedial reading classes....
Post up the photos, or shut up about having deadly hands that have killed people.
i have shoe horn hands
lol:D:D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin
Hi Dale,Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Bagua
Respectfully, even if he were to post up photos of his hands, what would that accomplished? It's difficult to determine the destructive potential of hands by photos alone.
I have met CM artists whose hands look like anyone else's but when I shook hands with them, it felt solid as a brick. One guy I know, a police officer, (while we are on the subject of spear hand training) was showing off his finger jabs by striking a wall with force. And he did it with a very casual air. Actually he was showing us how he can follow up his spear hand with a leopard fist, and from a leopard fist to a closed fist strike. Firing them off like a machine gun. He demo'd it in response to some other friend showing off his wing chun's 1 inch punch.
LCP is stating for the record that he has KILLED people with his hands.
if he truly trains than there are some signs that are going to be very easy to see.
I am asking this of him as there are WAY too many people who go on and on about their training and skills ad nasuem. LCP is one of these people among others who make IMMENSE claims and have yet to step up and be known as a real living human being.
Its disrespectful to not step forward.
I am calling total BS on his stories, his training and him.
It seems we have nothing more than another cowardly mouthboxer.
no, i killed a fat guard and used his skin as a disguise and walked out the front door...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
i kill kittens...sometimes i feel bad about it.
LOL, thats awesome!
wow this was suuuuuuuuuch a great discussion on different excercises and methods for the spear hand guys
lol
:rolleyes:
iron ball juggling strengthens any fist or hand position. :)
what did you expect?Quote:
Originally Posted by goju