Hi
Whats all this nonsense about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVP4J3otbGo
jim
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Hi
Whats all this nonsense about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVP4J3otbGo
jim
Just that Jim, Nonsense.
Funny though eh? :D
Must be work in progress:confused:
Gary has become Sucessful but in the process lazy VT just like a knife needs constant Sharping. Doesn't matter who you are Don't pay do's you lose simple :(
During a demo, someone got in a cheap shot and Gary answered accordingly.
I've seen this before in other MA demos.
I've seen BJJ guys choke out "smart asses" that wanted to "test" them, I've seen MT guys clinch people like rag dolls because they tried to get in a cheap shot, I've seen Kyokushin experts KO guys that were going hard during a seminar, etc, etc.
Nothing new really.
That is the real way when teaching CMA in the modern era!
You have to answer charges accordingly while still grasping the cookie jar (rice bowl). At the end, they shook hands so I see no problem here!
BAU (Business as usual):D
Cheap shot?
Seems his centre was totally open
Context.
You are giving a demo, you just finish with a kid, then someone else comes up and you, silly or not, keep your "guard" down because, it is just that: a friendly demo.
Seen it a few times, even saw one very high ranking BJJ of the machado family get sweeped during a demo/seminar too and, much like Gary, He responded accordingly ( in his case, choked out the guy in less than 5 seconds after that stunt).
Heck, I recall seeing a GM in Kyokushin get clocked in the face during a sparring session in a seminar, He reacted accordingly also.
You do NOT take a shot at a teacher giving a demo, ever.
It is always a cheap shot.
This same video was circulating around a few years back, so it's old news. I don't blame Gary Lam at all for getting a bit rough on the guy, and it all ended well enough, considering.
If you want to critique his WC, that's fine by me.
I personally find it really annoying when you start to do chi-sau with someone and all they want to do is play "gotcha"-- trying to slip in one cheap shot, then break stick and jump back out of range like this guy. It's a good thing this guy didn't try that with some of the less amicable instructors I know like Emin Boztepe.
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Whats all this nonsense about?
You're doing a chi-sau demo, i.e. showing how it works, unscripted with someone from the audience. Why would you deliberately have such a weak structure? Or why would you not expect the guy to do actual chi-sau with you? You want him to just roll back and forth and you do what you choose? That's not how chi-sau works. It's mutual action and reaction. So why would the guy not do what he did, which was merely push into the hole Gary left gaping? Gary should have shown how to deal with it, if he could. Instead, he's the one that got upset and started taking shots. Ridiculous "incident".
F me Joy! You are getting as repetative!
That video is atrocious! Gary Lam relies on co-operative students to "perform" all his stuff on. It's been like that for years and in the process he has become fat and lazy and could not deal with that guy. Instead he showed what normally happens when things go wrong. He starts flailing and using his weight to muscle the other guy around. IMO he showed his true colours and I didn't see one thing that represents all the rubbish he puts in his DVD's one bit! That is usual in Wing Chun and I would hazzard a guess you would have faired no better in that situation.
If we are talking about PB here (as usual :rolleyes:) the guy is in his 50's and still moves around and has power of a guy half his age.
Put be PB in that situation and that other guy would have been in trouble! FACT!
................more so you would have seen Ving Tsun at work. With Gary Lam......nothing!
Don't hold your breath will you? :rolleyes:
I would rather go and do it rather than wait for videos. Oh wait a minute......I have.
Have you?
maybe you don't need to but it would be frustrating for me to not know myself.....Oh wait a minute...........it was frustrating so I jumped on a plane.
Have you?
It's like being on The Waltzers this innit? :):rolleyes:
So what? Does the fact that you box and do MT mean you are some sort of tough guys?
Since when does practicing a fighting system make you invincible. I know scarier dudes outside of MA's.
You guys crack me up. You are always putting Wing Chun down and harp on about the fact that you do these other fighting systems and yet you spend most of your day bickering with people from other Wing Chun lineages.
You know what I think? You do MT and Box because your Wing Chun is lacking in something. Why do I think that?......because I used to do the same. That was until I found a system that ticked all the boxes that I needed ticking and I started training in a lineage where many people train like proper fighters and not your usual Wing Chun BS.
TST's lineage has got to be one of the weakest so that sums Glenn's desire to box and do MT and as for Frost???? Dunno. He just likes disagreeing with everybody and offering sometimes useful but sometimes pointless POV's.
I'm off to Turkey for a while so I won't be able to continue this love in. I'll miss you guys! BOOO HOOOO HOOO :p
Yes, our toughness is inspiring.Quote:
So what? Does the fact that you box and do MT mean you are some sort of tough guys?
My point was, my dear, that you dont need to go the another country to learn a valid fighting method.
Me too.Quote:
Since when does practicing a fighting system make you invincible. I know scarier dudes outside of MA's.
I never put WC down, just the *****y guys that claim superiority (holds mirror up for G)Quote:
You guys crack me up. You are always putting Wing Chun down and harp on about the fact that you do these other fighting systems and yet you spend most of your day bickering with people from other Wing Chun lineages.
You know what G? Maybe youre right. So what id did was went to the premium striking arts to see how id go.Quote:
You know what I think? You do MT and Box because your Wing Chun is lacking in something.
Found out some good things and some bad things i do.... who would have thought hey?
Great, so why the shot at the guys that try other styles?Quote:
Why do I think that?......because I used to do the same. That was until I found a system that ticked all the boxes that I needed ticking and I started training in a lineage where many people train like proper fighters and not your usual Wing Chun BS.
Fighting is fighting after all..... or so you keep telling us.
So PB's the strongest is it?Quote:
TST's lineage has got to be one of the weakest so that sums Glenn's desire to box and do MT and as for Frost???? Dunno. He just likes disagreeing with everybody and offering sometimes useful but sometimes pointless POV's.
If you want to get alll lineagy (that a word) ive comfortably exchanged with WSLVT guys in my pre MT-boxing days.... but maybe im just a talent!
Now dont spend too much time in those turkish baths g ;)Quote:
I'm off to Turkey for a while so I won't be able to continue this love in. I'll miss you guys! BOOO HOOOO HOOO :p
I think you are missing their point. They are not putting wing chun the system down. They are putting down certain people in wing chun. I do not hear them ragging on Alan Orrs guys for instance. The people they are criticizing are the ones who believe they have the answers but have never experienced the questions. I do not think it is a coincidence that those sorts believe what they do is truly wonderful as they have never put themselves in situations where their limitations will be exposed.
Practicing your wing chun against other wing chun people will give you only a very limited exposure to practicing using your wing chun skills.
I cannot speak for others but I have found that I only get better doing those things I practice. Wasn't it Sun Tzu who said know yourself and your enemy? By training with and against boxers for example you will see what they do, how they do it, and so forth and you can practice using your wing chun skills against people with good punching skills, good tactics, people who are difficult to hit and so forth. Same with working with mma or mt guys. These encounters will show you your limitations and weaknesses in applying your wing chun, and that is the first step in improving.Quote:
You know what I think? You do MT and Box because your Wing Chun is lacking in something. Why do I think that?......because I used to do the same. That was until I found a system that ticked all the boxes that I needed ticking and I started training in a lineage where many people train like proper fighters and not your usual Wing Chun BS.
TST's lineage has got to be one of the weakest so that sums Glenn's desire to box and do MT and as for Frost???? Dunno. He just likes disagreeing with everybody and offering sometimes useful but sometimes pointless POV's.
I'm off to Turkey for a while so I won't be able to continue this love in. I'll miss you guys! BOOO HOOOO HOOO :p
You talk about the usual BS in wing chun circles. I think the attitude you express of everyone else is lacking and we have the answers when you have not even experienced the questions for yourself is that usual wing chun BS.
It is great you found a wing chun teacher that you are happy with. Training like a proper fighter to use your words involves practicing with and against proper fighters.
****! No post from Frost.
Never mind. Nice days fishing. :D
Chow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogan
Im sure there's an english equivalent
The term bogan (/ˈboʊɡən/)[1] is Australian and New Zealand slang, usually pejorative or self-deprecating, for an individual who is recognised to be from an unsophisticated background or someone whose speech, clothing, attitude and behaviour exemplifies a lack of manners and education.[2] While bogan is widely recognised, localised names exist that describe the same or very similar groups of people.
Sums me up pretty much. Thanks Glenn xx
There were openings in his guard, which the younger guy took advantage of. I don't think there's anything wrong with this.
Gary Lam could have acknowledged that he had some weaknesses, but his ego was threatened and he decided to beat the guy around the head a little. Not good behaviour.
I've only been to a few classes of wingchun, but when you probe potential gaps with someone of really high level, they should have some response ready.