Wasn't sure whether to put this in the wing chun forum or not - then I thought ' It's not even kung fu, let alone wing chun'.
http://youtu.be/rhW7nPbcVmg
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Wasn't sure whether to put this in the wing chun forum or not - then I thought ' It's not even kung fu, let alone wing chun'.
http://youtu.be/rhW7nPbcVmg
Because MONKEY BEAKS!!!!
So what's your point of posting the video? You offer no insight. It seems all you're interested in doing is bashing this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbob
Great Thread!
http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/ui...jpg_184741.jpg
I do think the circular punches is a good idea.
I feel the same way too. Sometime when people just put up a clip, I truly don't know what direction the discussion may go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaolin
I had the following unpleasant discussion in the past.
A: Here is a my personal clip ...
B: Great clip! Thanks for sharing.
C: My opinion is ...
A: I'm not interest in your opinion. If you don't like it, you don't have to watch it.
C: :confused:
at the end he punch a 30 pound bag of dog food and cant even make it wobbleQuote:
Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
biter. lolQuote:
Because MONKEY BEAKS!!!!
i wipe my ass faster than he can punch. period.
oh dear, another video from this guy. What can I say, he knows too much for his own good. Spreading out too thin, the bread is tasteless.
there is no bread. only the cardboard box it came in.Quote:
oh dear, another video from this guy. What can I say, he knows too much for his own good. Spreading out too thin, the bread is tasteless.
ok, cardboard. But the analogy dies.
hopefully.Quote:
ok, cardboard. But the analogy dies.
The bag showed no external effects, but the inside was completely disintegrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by bawang
Yes I am doing my utmost to bash this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaolin
I like his enthousiasm, and he trains hard. But a lot of his kung fu looks 'DIY' if you know what I mean. It just looks lacking in root and although there is obvious skill there, it just doesn't click for me.
'His training in Shaolin includes an intense focus on the internal systems of Tai Chi Chuan'
There is no power in his punch. It looks like he's just turning a wheel... or really, it's more like he's a puppet. :confused:
He's former Shaolin-Do. There was a court case. I assume he's not legally able to mention the word "Shaolin-Do" now.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigopen
Drunken monkey chi beaks?Quote:
Originally Posted by -N-
I'm starting to think we need a "best of Jake Mace" thread.
honestly though, now that i think about it, guys and guys like him are the poison of martial arts. every bad thought you have had, every bad word you have ever said about 'mcdojo' or 'belt factory' are due to people like him who rape the martial arts for personal financial gain and are not worth their own weight in a fight.
Bingo!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
I'm not buying the excuse that he really believes that monkey beaks and 80's dance moves are "ancient shaolin". Especially since it was his own court case with Sin The where we learned what we've known all long about Shaolin Do.
He claims he visits China to keep up on his studies. I still see monkey beaks and dance moves :rolleyes:
So how can people help to remedy the situation?
Personally I saw his vids before reading about the Shaolin-do court case etc, and had a hunch something like that was going on.
If people really want to oust him from the martial arts world then I'd assume you'd need to start posting youtube vids with info on him, with his name in the titles. I don't know about the legal implications of that if it's damaging to his company.
Revive dojo busting. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigopen
You won't. How many people do you see posting here regularly? Not many. The amount of people that actually know who any of these guys are, is such a ridiculously small portion of the population. The amount of people that even give 2 shits about kungfu is such a ridiculously small portion. You can post link after link on youtube and its not going to make a dent. All the info is already out in the public and how many here even knew who he was?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigopen
If the legal proceedings didn't do anything to harm his business, there's really not a lot anyone here will accomplish. The majority of his income probably comes from kids and the granola eaters anyways. And neither of those two groups will have any concern over any of this. And I'm just going to assume, judging by his own fitness that's he's probably actually pretty good with those two groups, so I see no reason in trying to interfere with that.
If you want to see the outcome of all this, just go to the SD thread here. Everyone knows about this, and most of them have all decided that the lineage wasn't what they're taking away and most are still happy with what they learned. Good or bad, that's what it is. No one here will change that.
lmao @ "granola eaters" :D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by SoCo KungFu
But still, what you said is 100% true :mad:
I unfortunately have to agree. There isn't a lot that can be done.
Even if his students learned that what they did wasn't real Shaolin, most probably wouldn't care. They'd bring up some kind of excuse about how they just want the workout or it doesn't matter what it's called when you defend youself (which is bollocks since monkey beaks and all the other nonsense he teaches won't work against many people. In my experience, most fights are avoided in the first place when one person isn't afraid and the small d!ck agressor sees that you're calling their matcho bluff).
Lots of people that watch his videos love the koolaide and dismiss detractors as trolls.
There's no cure for soccer moms or ignorance. I'm gonna try to reach out to my friends and tell them "yo, if you want your kids to learn sef defense, talk to me before you send them to Gwai Lo's Kong Foo or Tiger Shulman's Karate". Will they listen? Probably not. They saw for themselves that the 20th degree triple black belt can break through pine boards with a flip kick.
I agree with SoCo's post, too. Another factor is that even if folks DID care about seeking out the one true Shaolin, there's a helluva lot of confusion on what the even means. Look at how much discussion and arguing there is on this forum alone as to what is real Shaolin vs. not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymus
Pricing and location are other major factors I have found with the "uninformed" consumer. They will gladly consume an inferior product if a) its cheaper and b) within a 5 min drive of their home.
Especially with kids. A lot of the parents are just looking for an hour of babysitting rather that making sure little Johnny and Susie can defend themselves.
Studying actual temple Shaolin is likely possible, but it's not easy. There are a lot of muddy politics involved. I'm glad I found this out before I wasted my money on the monk I was planning on studying from. As a result, I found an even better teacher (even if said monk was 110% legit).Quote:
Originally Posted by Empty_Cup
After 26 years in martial arts, having studied at a handful of different schools, learned numerous different arts, trained with 1 or 2 semi-legends, and spent a lot of time researching and trying to learn the sholarly side of martial arts as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymus
I think the only way to find a legit school for self defense is to either:
- Be really lucky
- Train for 5 - 10 years, learn as much as you can of the litterary and martial sides of the arts, talk to lots of people that know more than you, and then go searching for a real school.
Absolutely! To them, it's all the same. A black belt is a black sash is a flip kick, is a KIIIAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JSE
Be honest here though, if legit self defense is what you're after you should get a gun and learn to use it...not study Kung fu for 10 yrsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kymus
Well, yes and no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empty_Cup
I mean, in Pennsylvania you can pack heat, but it's a b!tch to be able to legally do that in Philly. In NJ and NY (I've lived in all three states) you can't carry a gun. (addendum: you also can't carry a knife... even a tiny one)
So then perhaps option two is learn Escrima, carry sticks with you (not exactly ideal, but it's something, and it's effective as long as they don't have a gun). But there are legal issues with beating the snot out of some tough guy with sticks.
So then there's stuff like pepper spray, but I'm sure all of us can agree that's not perfect either.
So, I think that learning legit martial arts is the most practical solution. Really, in my personal experience, I've avoided most fights by just showing the tough guy in question that I'm not scared and I'm also not all that interested. This sort of confidence - I think - can only come from martial arts, and the skill to back it against any a$$wipe on the street is gonna come from legit training.
another addendum: some people are just plain against guns. I'm not, but..
Guns are great and all, but if your fallback for every single confrontation is to pull a gun, then you have issues imo.
if you're at a bar and unknowingly hit on some guys girl and he wants to beat the crap out of you, and wont take no for an answer, you're going to pull out a gun on him? why dont you just beat his ass instead? suppose he just ups and swings on you in the bar (not that uncommon) are you just going to shoot him in the bar? or are you going to defend yourself properly with a good old fashion bar fight?
ime, there are self defense situations that pulling a gun is not the best course of action. be a man and fight like man sometimes is the way to go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5RU-2eIbKU
Oh look, a new "Praying Mantis Kata" from the "ancient Shaolin Kung Fu" style....:eek::confused::rolleyes:
Oh, and if you're not in stitches after that, there's always this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1pIVkdeXP8
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Hi my name is Master Ted ive masterd in the arts of MUAY THAI BOXING / MUAY BORAN /. 76 fights 38ko,s 10 losses ' I also studdy WUDANG KUNG FU AND TAI CHI but i do love teaching Thai / japanese chinese weapons of combat. I started when i was 5 i lived and boxed in Thailand for a number of years under the late grate grand master Cian pow [ sadly died in 2000 so i became the successor as i was his only student. Im living in the london area and teach privately so if you fill you want to train 1 2 1 im here for you so just msg me for more details. Thank you for reading.
Lol mantis beakQuote:
Originally Posted by Kymus
Same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKM
Yeah? Looked kinda sloppy to me.. like a self made form... from a self-taught "master". :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by SKM
late great grand master Cian Pow? Only student?
Wasn't the muay thai teacher in the Kickboxer film Xian Chow?
Coincidence...
:rolleyes:
My thoughs exactly. I'm also curious why he doesn't refer to him as Ajahn. Not a huge issue; I don't know of many Muay Thai teachers, but it does kinda chip at him..Quote:
Originally Posted by iunojupiter
Also, his MT is bad... his knees are a giveaway. He's chummy with Jake Mace, so I can only guess that he figures that if he puts up lessons on YouTube like Jake Mace does, it'll bolster his credibility or something :confused: