Our very own Dale demoing his Iron Body :
http://www.coilingdragoninternalarts.com/
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Our very own Dale demoing his Iron Body :
http://www.coilingdragoninternalarts.com/
No workie.Quote:
Sorry, this is a private video.
Works for me too. Using Firefox 3 on Windows XP.
Didn't have to join any online group.
My IP must be too manly.
(sigh) here we go again, another online challenge.....
wake me up when it's over
Iron body is cool and all that, but how do you condition your head and face? I mean properly condition, like iron face technique or Iron Jaw? In full contact, that’s pretty much the part that’s the downfall for most fighters.
If I can condition my jaw and my head, i think I can become a really good fighter. imagine, no knockouts ever
i'd like to see thios demo done with two mid 20's well trained MT guys instead of those guys.
lol.
You can't condition your face and head, but you can condition your own perceptions and you can practice rolling the head and clamping the jaw and so on.
Mostly, you are better off learning how to slip, duck and eat head shots on the arms and shoulders same as every other boxer out there.
the point your raise is good though, I find that when I watch demonstrations of traditional martial arts, there is a propensity for leaving the head wide open as a target. Often there is failure to shrimp, tuck and protect the head. It is the most vulnerable area and it is the one area that any fighter worth even the tiniest grain of salt is gonna go after. body shots are nice, but on a conditioned fighter, that's a real slow road to the finish.
so, learn up your slips, your bobs, your clinch work, your footwork, your ducking skeelz and your ability to seam feed, pat, chop and destroy incoming shots to the head. :)
...but I don't have to see that. I was there.
Dale's a friggin' huge monster of a dude. Even without Iron Body, it'd be tough to get a punch in through that thick hide of his. If I needed to do so, I'd bring a bat... a bat with spikes through the top... big sharp pointy spikes. :)
as an aside, i would express that Lai Hung employed head covering techniques heavily into his expression of north shaolin kungfu. There are a few clips of his stuff out there that clearly demonstrates a much more conventional modality of fighting built into the kungfu. Interesting stuff if you come across it, I'm sure someone here can verify more clearly about that.
also of note, Y.C Wong plays his kungfu very tightly and sharply and shows this protective measure as well. I don't want people thinking I'm bagging on tcma when there are indeed excellent examples of reliable methods that are still antiquary on some levels and still quite effective even by modern standards of slugfesting.
There is a "guard" in old Muay Boran that uses the elbows to protect the head from counters while closing, It showed it to my Hung Kuen Sifu a while back and he said that Hk has somethign similar, and he showed it to me.
Aside from a few minor differences, it was the same principles ( having your opponents fists run into the points of your elbows).
He called it a "dragon horns", not sure how typical it is though.
I think its important to do body conditioning, and I really have nothing bad to say about the video clip, other than I’d prefer to rather have that sort of skill to protect my head. But we know this is not possible as David pointed out.
But a good fighter is well conditioned all over, so its all good.
I knew an old Chinese man who used to do some sort of iron shirt hard qigong stuff, and he was solid. I asked him to teach me that, but to tell you the truth, I lasted only 5 sessions. ;)
In Southern Kung-Fu, the distance is close so the hands are occupied with striking and controlling the bridge, leaving the iron body to take care of the lower part while the hands protect the head. In NY, where they wear coats most of the time, head-hunting is the name of the game, so this is a skill worth learning-for me.
The ducking, bobbing,slipping, and weaviing is also found in the Dragon and Snake sections of our forms.
Maybe I'm wrong, but some of the strikes were a bit on the lame side; also, his uniform is large enough to hide some padding under it.
bruising is bruising. The idea is that your internal organs are not getting injured. Surface bruises will always occur. With iron shirt, they simply don't penetrate.
Being that this was a demo of Iron Body and not Baguazhang fighting, I was kind to my kung fu brothers.
But there was no padding under my Hifu.
And two of the kicks were to my ribs.
Iron Body does not mean you sit there and let people kill you. It gives you the ability to take more abuse than a normal human.
Moving is how Im trained being a Bagua teacher.
Tough to get me not to move.
Funny that after demos like this I get people asking to hit me. I think I had about 7-8 people ask to hit me.
I let them hit me and kick me and they get this weird look on their face when I take the attack and smile back at them.
It is only one skill you can develop.
In a real fight, I would take their center after first contact and begin the rain blows to soften them up and get them ready to kiss the dirt.
i dont mean to have a go or anything i really like your stuff and i respect you etc
but would you let bas ruten kick you in the ribs ?
I can feel the power but I move it down through my structure into the ground. In a real fight I would give it back to the person hitting me with some interest.
Being hit does not bother me much.
But then as Gene said, I'm a monster:eek::D
do you feel it when you get hit?
of course you feel it, but with the exercises and gongs being employed, you recover quickly and in many instances are un-phased by fairly decent strikes.
There is of course a mental attitudinal aspect.
Iron 'anything' training will teach you a whole lot about yourself and just how resilient you are and just how much pain is based purely in perception.
a combination of conditioning and mental toughness are the net result of the training.
Hey Gene
Was this what you were talking about:D