Here is a video of GM Ip Ching (GM Yip Man's youngest son) doing chi sau, is a good watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnHlLiYmVXA
If you have a good wing chun video please post
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Here is a video of GM Ip Ching (GM Yip Man's youngest son) doing chi sau, is a good watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnHlLiYmVXA
If you have a good wing chun video please post
Looks terrible to me (imo) no structure just hand chasing at its best
JIm
That is what Chi Sao is, isn't it. Just hand chasing? In order to bridge and control ones hands you pretty much have to stay close to them, and that probably requires you to chase them now and then. It is a form of hand grappling really, and it is easier to do on someone that has no clue as to what the heck you are doing.
As terrible as it might look, the big question here is, can you whip either one of them?
Chi Sao is intended to develop sensitivity to an opponent's movement in order to dial in reactions. One of the major aspects of Wing Chun is sensing your opponent's energy so that you can deflect or redirect it in order to create the opportunity for a strike. It looks like hand chasing because one participant makes a move and the other moves to counter it. The intent is not to actually strike your opponent but learn how to create and destroy opportunities.
As to whipping either of them, well they wouldn't be using Chi Sao in a real altercation...
Hi
No imo chi sau is not chasing hands at all! I'm attacking the person not his hands (in training) there's no point looking for someones hands when I can actually exploit his center which in this example of chi sau both their centers are totally open!
With regard to your comment about "can I whip either one of them" with regard to yip ching hes an old man what a crazy question. Regard to sam kwok yes in about 2 seconds if I had to!
jim
ps here is a link to a video showing chi sau and general Ving Tsun in action and as its supposed to be Simple Direct and Efficient! unlike the sam kwok video. Im not a student of Bayer at all just using it as an example of how its supposed to be done keeping it real!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6YVmNnuSIA
Hi, gotta agree with Jim on this clip.
"Top level", ummmm....
What happened to attack the body not the hands?
Whats with all the "golden palming", using palm as bridge rather than forearm, not a good strategy imo.
No wonder people from different arts look at these kind of clips and shake their heads...
Here is one of GM Wan Kam Leung
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM_KgCSMtMM
Wow, the difference between these two clips is like night and day!
Wan Kam Leung is showing nice robust chi sao with good root/structure. I love the fact that it doesnt look "pretty", normally a sign that the guys rolling are just co-operating with no resistance either side. Always enjoy watching his clips.
And he wears braces!
Mark Hobbs & Joe Koch chi sau, nice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BshKf1-adXw
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M-u_...feature=relmfu
Here's an 'interesting' one I stumbled upon today. Going to withhold my comments ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUT3j...eature=related
Kgledhill hass posted a ton of vids of Phil Bayer and his students doing competitive chi sao ;)
Hi
Do you really have to torture me with this soup mixing Chi sau nonsense? What you learn about Ving Tsun from doing chi sau like this I don't know! No wonder mma fighters look at this kind of crap and shake their heads I love Ving Tsun but im shaking my head just the same! People imo need to learn what is actual practical training and what is just a waste of your time and money! don't chase instructors because of their particular lineage go by what you see! and here I see nothing but rubbish!
Jim.
ps this is my opinion and could be mine only?
Nice chi sao Mark, nice flow and bringing in clinch/takedown aspects into it.
Yes I have very early in my Ving tsun research looking into what actually worked best so unlike most people i trained in a lot of lineages including this one before i found out what was best for me. This lineage I found imo to be the most impractical!
Jim
Its good to have a taste of whats out there. I study in this linage and IMO there are benefits to this type of chi sau. Like a tree grows from a seed this leads to a good balanced chi sau where one benefits on both sides. That is not just right side bong sau tan sau but both, where the left side does bong tan sau and u can change sides.
All that said i enjoy it
Here is one from Jim Fungs school Sydney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgfApla1RiA
Hi
Here is one for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoCn1ZI5t-w
jim
Jim Fung school of Sydney demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZtHwRrKbHk
Hi hobbs.. Ive see vids from your school. Good stuff . You guys have structure, but my point about structure is it cant be seen but can be felt. Some people think stucture is the way you hold a tan sao a certain way, but its not. Structure can look like anything. Because its noy in the way iy looks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ppo2U0yLco
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Sum Nung wing chun chi sau
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-gKGR08MgM
kev for gods sake!
here you go some proper ving tsun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr59XqhFgr4
jim
Bruce lee playing table tennis, got to check this out. This was filmed before special effects & is the real deal so they say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SncapPrTusA