http://www.louisvillegoldengloves.com/
Wing Chun will still be available here, and other arts as well...
In case you didn’t know…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2sDgYvv0F0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dfgb-Uw7fM
Ali Rahim.
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http://www.louisvillegoldengloves.com/
Wing Chun will still be available here, and other arts as well...
In case you didn’t know…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2sDgYvv0F0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dfgb-Uw7fM
Ali Rahim.
Cant wait to see the Fury run it right up da middle like Maywether.
Hatton didnt have a **** thing! lol
~Cg~
I'm not going to comment on the clips.
However, I think this is worth watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSblALBeJrw
Good enough for what it is.
Hope you have them doing drills for
keeping their hands up
moving their feet
putting their bodyweight into their punches
though too...
Happy Christmas (know you're not a Christian: nor am I, but in the spirit, eh? :) )
He’s all right; he’s kinda one dimensional like Ricky Hatton, but hey as you can see that’s how he’s taught to fight… Hey, fighting like that, your bond to get out classed, but I hope he wins a lot before that happens or get a new trainer…
I guess it’s a Detroit, Michigan thing, consistently fighting mostly in threes and fours and sometime five strikes per entry, consistently slipping punches and catching with the shoulders, like these Michigan born fighter, James “Lights Out Toney, Bernard “Super Bad” Mays, Thomas “Hit Man” Hearns and of course Mayweather Jr. and Oba Carr... Oh yeah, and yours truly, are all defensive fighters...
Being a defensive fighter in the ring, will give the audience their moneys worth, no doubt on that… The names of this game is to catch and make them miss, don't get hit...
Ali Rahim.
Amir Khan is 'kinda one-dimensional'? Hark at the boxing expert! Who qualified you to pass that kind of judgment? I mean I know boxing has more than its fair share of sofa commentators but please, after the clips you've just put up...! :D Is this a seasonal competition with Victor to see who can say the most clueless classless nonsense about fighters who get out there? :D
Have you ever boxed in the ring? What were your results?
We can debate a lot of things in the martial arts. In fact, I think it's our nature to search for something to argue over. However, I think you're doing great work here by giving young men something positive to direct their energies to. This training will serve them in many ways well into the future. At least that's how I see it.
Peace,
Bill
You're absolutely right,Matrix. I happen to know for a fact that the training made this kid do a complete turn around. Grades skyrocketed, he set more mature and thoughtful priorities for himself, and he is a lot less withdrawn than when I first met him 3-4 years ago. He still goes through the regular teenage stuff like everybody. But he is commited and well aware of his goals.
~Cg~
Yes, these are just the type of things I was referring to. What's interesting is that none of these attributes have anything to do with martial arts, per se, and yet they are produced by that training. :cool:
These boys will look back on this training as one of the key times in their lives. I'm pretty sure of that. Keep up the great work!
Bill
I wasn't asking you to brag or boast, I asked you a simple question: what was your pro record and where is it? There's nobody of your name at boxrec - was it under your pre-Moslem name? Don't worry if you were beaten a lot - everyone gets beaten! You can PM me if you don't want it public.
BTW, I'm not challenging you about this: I'm just interested.
Er, Khan's a lightweight. Hatton isn't. I never said Khan could take on Hatton.Quote:
And if you think that kid can take on Hatton, then you really don’t have a clue… Hatton is one of the greatest fighters ever and will be for a long time… Khan is not a defensive fighter do you know the difference?
And anyway, back to my question (you know, the other one of the two that you didn't answer! :D ): have you ever seen a Khan fight?
It IS about you Ali! I've already given you props for your training those kids: it's good work and there's nothing that'll detract from that. You then made a preposterous statement about Khan, which you've then refused to back up because you refuse to admit you were talking about something you dont know about, and then you dug yourself into a whole by saying you were a pro-boxer, which frankly, I think is a lie. You could've said all kinds of things to say you were qualified to teach/coach boxing and I'd have said, oh OK fine, but you didn't. You said you had been a pro-boxer, so now I'm interested: what was your record and where is it recorded!?Quote:
Like I said, it’s not about me… What are your qualifications to make such a rebuttal?
And what qualifications do I need to ask you about your record?! You're a funny man.
And Graychuan, I'm not sure what your point was here:Khan was the silver medallist in the Olympics at 17.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graychuan
This is a good post. This is the way I'd like to leave it. But I'm afraid Ali, I'm waiting for your answers!
I don't understand your question! :D
My answer: I don't know what qualifications I need to ask you
1) What is your pro-boxing record?
2) Have you ever seen a fight of Amir Khan's?
Please, tell me what qualifications I need? :rolleyes:
Again, let me reiterate: I'm not challenging your qualifications to coach boxing. A lot of boxing coaches have no experience in the ring themselves, or no pro experience. Of course there are criticisms (well, more like constructive gentle suggestions) I could make of your clips, but they're just clips which don't show the whole story so I wouldn't be so cheeky. And if by my qualifications, you're asking me my boxing experience, it's this:
NO amateur fights
NO pro fights
Two years boxing classes with a good boxer as part of an MMA class...
So, no qualifications in boxing at all.
But like I said, what qualifications do I need to ask you those two questions? My qualifications are my knowledge: if there is some hole in what I've asked/posted, please let me know. I'm only generally here to learn.
I disagree with your assessment of Khan. That's fair enough, right? People disagree. Then I admit I said something rather stupid, which was that you need to be qualified in some way to comment on Khan's ability. I don't think you do - anyone can comment on a boxer's ability and most people just do so by having watched a lot of fights. But then you came out as an 'x-pro' and set yourself up as some kind of expert. So then I asked you (quite reasonably I thought) to back up what you said.
And then I'm asking you whether you've seen him fight, because I think you're just assessing him from his training clip, which, as I said, I wouldn't presume to do with your boys, or about your skills.
How can I be trolling? I've asked you two questions explicitly about your claims: there's no ulterior motive! Now stop stalling while you try and find a Khan fight on youtube and answer the questions! LOL.
Talk about defensive... I know you say you're a defensive fighter and all, but it doesn't half show when somebody asks you some reasonable questions and you start hiding in accusations and smoke! Im not questioning your whole existance, man, just asking you a couple of questions!
Yeah, not only that but that cover position with the high left and low right is very much like a kwan sao (high tan, low bong) - different dynamics of course: the boxing ones are based on being punched full-speed and full-contact, the chun ones are mostly based on drills... :eek: :D
It's nice though, nice cover especially for the ducking around: Mayweather uses it a helluva lot, and has a beautifully smooth fast switch from side-to-side... and it seems Ali's got his boys doing it nicely here too.
He was told to reacted but just couldn’t do it, he tried his best and the only thing that he could do was move his hand, before I shut him down… I’m sure Chris can testify to that, cuz he gets the same thing, when sparring or whatever… You stand in front of me, you better have you’re A game on…
And I’m sure the one that’s on the clip will testify also…
Ali. Rahim.
Ah, OK, sorry for the confusion: that wsn't a criticism of your clips and certainly not the dodging exercise. It was merely pointing out to you that you shouldn't criticise Khan from that short training clip that was posted (you still haven't told me which of his fights you've seen if any), because it would be pointless for people to do the same to your clips.
Plus I was meaning that if people were going to compare the clips, the one of Khan shows more depth and variation in his training programme and his personal skills than your clips do of your fighters. And that's not even a criticism of you, your clips, your coaching or your fighters: just a statement that people shouldn't judge from clips of that nature.
So, back the programme...
You gonna answer my questions sir, or what? :D
Sorry, you just added this bit: I do like them, and I'm still not trolling.
Please read my previous post. I haven't criticised your clips at all, and wouldn't presume to (as I'll repeat till I'm blue in the face if it gets an answer to my legitimate questions from you! :D ) from such short clips without knowing any more about your training programme... so for now, I'm STILL all positive about what you're doing. :)
But... I still want to know the answers to my questions.
H*ll no, you're simply not worth it, you don't need anything from me, Troll...
Why would I give something to someone who don't give a d*mn about me my people or anything I do...
There is nothing sincere about you, and if you would have came to me another way other then the way you did, I would have been a fountain of information, but you really don’t give a fu*k, so don’t ask again… :cool: :eek:
I have photos, clips and newspaper cut out and my fighters seen them and look at them anytime they want to, that’s because I have mad love for them and everything you need to know will be on the website coming soon just keep watching…
Ali Rahim.
Well true dat, but when one titles a clip "for the haters" one might expect something to show your not a chump with a keyboard. (not saying you are, theres already enough hating with you and Punch)
He could have, he just didnt... lets be honest you dont even attack him ! you attack his hands then go for the body...its in the clip plain to see.
If you threw a punch at his head you could have KO'd him cause he doesnt defend. Even non trained people flinch when someone enters like that...not him ??? Looks more like a demo bro....just my opinion :o
Ill give anyone the benifit of the doubt, cause its not like im all that special...but when you say things like "I fought people with great skills" then show a clip like that, with a title like that.....well it aint doing you any favours...
OK im begining to feel like Terrence now so...im out. :p
DREW
Does anyone else on this thread have any videos showing boxing and/or wing chun training? Or knife training?
~Cg~
lol you's are cool:D
I rememeber in the other thread 'has anyone used wc in competetion' there was some discussion on boxing and using boxing gloves while doing wing chun. I think Phil was gonna make a clip but the thread has kinda died out.
~Cg~
LOL @ a mess... that would be you trying to teach things about which you don't know what you are doing.
Here are a few clues for you:
-On the butterfly sweep from the guard, you are trapping the wrong arm and trying to sweep towards the wrong angle.
-With the step over arm bar from the mount you have the body positioned wrong and the legs positioning all messed up.
-On the referee's position back door escape, you have to free the inside arm and you'll never finish someone by pulling the head back the way you are showing.
-With the "knife defense", good luck trying to isolate the blade the way you are showing... and leaving the blade loose and unsecured in the upper body area the way you are teaching will get him sliced in the neck and stabbed in the chest.
Those techniques were fundamentally wrong on so many levels, it's funny.
I'm a BJJ black belt and have been training and fighting in FMA's for 30 years. What is your background in grappling and FMA?
God help the poor child ... :rolleyes:Quote:
And trying to make this child look bad, and he reads this forum
Here's a present for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp8l4SVgbuc
Pay attention to how a good instructor who knows what he is doing teaches the flower sweep.
Maybe you can teach your protégé a real technique for once.
Hello,
With how far the forum has fallen, I have my part in this as well :o, I hesitate to reply.
Ali,
I do not think that KF is "picking" on a child. What he has done is to criticize the methods which you put up on the web. I do not get the impression that it has anything to do with these methods being demonstrated by a child but rather with the concepts and fundamentals being shown.
While I may not always agree with KF, I think you are off base on this matter. I also think that by trying to keep focus on the "child" rather than responding to the crticism of the technique you are missing an opportunity to engage in valuable discussion. Rather than build support for your point of view you seem to be unable to articulate a viable response and thus need to misdirect the topic and make it seem like KF is attacking a "child" which I do not believe is the case.
I would invite both you and KF to offer reasons for why you feel the techniques would work or would not and to leave the "poor child" out of it.
I for one don't know what you're on about.. (or even what you said in your next to last post)
You put stuff out there and seem to expect everyone to jump on board..
Nope, ain't gonna happen..
If you can't handle the criticism then best not to ask for it.
Dale is well known for his expertise in this area.
LOL @ your transparent attempts to deflect criticism of your technical abilities onto the back of a 13-year-old kid. The kid has nothing to do with this, other than as someone you are using to shield yourself from the responsibility of sub-par teaching.
The more I read your posts, the more I am convinced that you are more than likely a liar and a fake. The people who should be reading this thread are the kid's parents.
Speaking of fakes, it is obvious you don't have much of a background in either grappling or FMA. What about your WC? What exactly is your background in WC? Is it the same as the first two... some video and maybe a lesson or two and then you decide to teach it?
Two years of boxing, alternating with MMA classes taught by the ex world and Pacific rim middleweight shooto champion, a personal friend of mine. I've seen all the clips you put up of your chun, and all your half-arsed mathematical theory that's supposed to back it up in some way, despite being nothing to do with its Chinese roots, or to do with actually feeling punching/kicking somebody full contact, and I'm quietly confident that I could take any of your two-year students (maybe even four-, five-, six- who knows when it would stop?). And that's without using my seventeen years in other martial arts... so keep going with the two-year jibe: news for you - I sincerely don't give a ****. :)
There's no hate coming from me. TBH, I don't usually hate anyone - it's a wasted emotion, unless it can be converted into anger and energy from that. And here's some more news for you: I'm not alone on this - I suspect that most people on this board think your full of it, but are too polite to say so.Quote:
It’s hate coming from you and everyone can see it… Why do you think you’re all alone on this?
Talking of haters here pal, don't forget you've been banned (twice is it?) already for spewing intolerance and bile, and a slanderous campaign or two against other teachers.
And yet you call anyone who doesn't agree with your narrow world view a hater.
You're so full of **** I don't know whether to laugh or plant roses! :D I think I'll laugh...Quote:
There’s no ego with me, and people can see that also…
I pray 5 times a day on my face (one of them is that Victor, Redmond and myself will get along one day, it is strong and I know they feel something I'm sure of that) don’t have time for a ego, with an ego you can’t began to have good in anything in life, because self will get in the way…
You are one of the most egotistical people to ever post on this board. Every time you put up a video you expect people to kowtow and run away crying and making mystical evasive comments if anybody calls you (or even politely asks you) about anything. Whenever someone else posts something about the real achievements of their school or whatever, you posts snide comments and your own (sometimes unrelated) theory or vids. Whenever someone doesn't agree with you you use ad hominem attacks, by calling them haters or worse. You even put up all of your youtube vids with macho challenges implicit ('This kid can kick your grown ass', 'This kid is the futuer (sic) of wing chun') and then cry when someone says, er, wait a minute, YOU are full of **** (not even mentioning the kids).
Your prayer has nothing to do with not having ego. Don't get me started on that one!
I fully, one hundred percent accept that i was rash and out of order on that point. It's up to the individual which boxers they think are good and it was no reason to go so overboard. Everyone has an opinion. I apologize.Quote:
You attacked me first because I made a statement that you didn’t like about someone else, which I believe and others that I trained under is a true statement and you took it way out of bounce because you didn’t understand the statement.
Fortunately however, you've outdone me in low-grade bull**** ever since that post, so I do feel a little less guilty.
Fair enough. That's all you ever had to say. I apologize unreservedly for accusing you of lying about it... though since you doubt my sincerity, you're obviously not going to know how to accept an apology anyway.Quote:
There is no way that you can find every fighter that ever fought pro on the Internet because the promotion that handle me folded along time ago well over 22 years (crooks), and way before the internet got started good… Back then no one was thinking about the Internet, and I was not famous, maybe that’s why you can’t find me…
My father took care of all that, and gave me all of the footage that he took and news clippings of myself boxing before he passed away…
As has been pointed out, nobody's attacking your kids man! Get over yourself! It's YOU we're attacking! :DQuote:
...maybe you could to those who like to attack children trying to become good martial artist…
The stuff you're teaching is gonna get your kids killed. Full stop. I hope not, and I think everyone else hopes not too, which is one reason why I can't just let your **** go any further!
That knife stuff is ****. It doesn't look like kali, it looks like the flowery dancy kempo bollocks that your student Graychuan is showing on another youtube vid. Which will get you gutted. My knife experience? NONE! Well, none useful, other than to tell us how not to do it! Ten years intensive aikido training, a hardcore aikido system that we trained with wooden knives and got bruised up and couldn't pull off any classical techs: dedicated aikidoka, prison officers, probation officers, policemen, riot police trainers, social workers, bouncers, all sorts, all working regularly towards the same purpose and we couldn't pull off a traditional tech! But it opened my eyes, and those techs looked like UFC compared to that watered-down kempo you're teaching!
As KF has pointed out, leaving their upper arm that free while you prance about like My Little Pony will get you stabbed/cut. He didn't point out that
a) Nobody attacks with one lead-hand lunge with a visible knife
b) Nobody stands there with their arm outstretched and waits for you to tie them up
c) In one instance on that vid your kid actually brings the blade side of the knife across the tendons in his own arm
This is not attacking your kid: this is trying to save him.
I'm going to reserve further judgement on your wing chun. I think it's pretty bad from what I've seen but I appreciate you can't tell from videos.
Your grappling is terrible. Again, I have only two years grappling, but with my coach ****ing us up if we didn't keep in nice and tight, I was probably as bad and confused about direction as you seem to be only for the first couple of weeks. I've seen your defence against 'the shoot' vids before and they were laughable too: obviously none of you have ever been taught how to shoot.
Your kali (at 1:47 on the vid earlier) is speeded up (who taught you kali? The Keystone Cops? :D ) for no apparent reason, so it's difficult to see what's happening.
Your boxing clips have good sound dodging drills, but if they're the extent of it, as I said in my original post, they're lacking footwork, defensive handwork, connections from root to punch (through sitting on their punches), and a coach who is fit enough to give them padwork for longer than three second bursts. If that's the extent of it, they need more sustained dodging drills, including punching more as soon as they've dodged so they've got their strikes coming in from all angles, and including using their feet. A solely upper-body dodge is a useful exercise but they need to put it together with the mobility too, or it can lead to getting unbalanced under pressure and punches. They also need to train with people their own size so they don't get a false impression of the kind of dangers they'll face. If those clips are teh extent of it, at this rate, they'll get their asses kicked when they meet any real competition, and hopefully then they'll find another trainer.
There's enough negativity on this thread already, so I'm going to stop posting... but I might be forced to bust a cap in your chun later too, just because you're such an arrogant know-nothing SoB.
BTW, I'm still not a 'hater', I'm a laugher! See: :D ...!
One last BTW... nobody here likes to beat up on kids, but I did notice in the notes to your vid that you said something about him going to an adult class (which he shouldn't at 13 anyway) and that if he cries he can take a walk... sounds like your the one who's messed up about this.
Kid, if you're reading this: try a couple of other schools! If you like grappling go for BJJ or the wrestling program at your school.
That's my favorite and highest percentage sweep from closed guard, and I've seldom seen it explained better than in that clip.Quote:
Here's a present for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp8l4SVgbuc
Pay attention to how a good instructor who knows what he is doing teaches the flower sweep.
No one's attacking the kid, and the moronic attempts to say that they are, are pathetic.
He'd be better off not reading this forum for all sorts of reasons.
Knifefighter:
I wondered if you'd come across Ray Floro, knife guy, in your travels? Just wondered if you had an opinion. Honest question, no agenda. Thanks.
BTW, you never answered my question. What exactly is your WC background? With whom did you train and for how long?
Its nice to see the youngins doing their thing....
I have never been a fan of "slap pad work", no matter who does it, but that'sjust me.
You should actually aim for the kids head when you are working on their ducking and try to have them put a little bit more on their combos and not just tap the mitts.
I think that, unless you have a solid core in grappling:
BB in Judo, Purple in BJJ or goo experience in freestyle and G-R wrestling, that you and yours would be better served to bring someone in for teaching grappling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_ay3LOs1Q
Another kind of pad work, and this was filmed in your "backyard".
He's got something from one of the lineages - but how much is the real question. Although you don't have to be a rocket scientist, after reading many of his posts over the last 3 years or so - and after watching some of the vids he put up on the "dont fight with matched leads" thread (or whatever it was called)...
that his wing chun knowledge and skill is very limited. And who can forget that ridiculous thread he did trying to equate some fancy mathematical formula to wing chun principles and strategy?
That was a real winner...:rolleyes:
...and 20 something years of Gekko-Roman wrestling...:p