I wasn't going to start a thread on this fight (even though we've posted on Ronda's other recent fights). But I just can't resist the hype vid.
On Ellentube, no less. Yea, that Ellen. :confused:
http://ellentube.com/videos/0_91z5qd54
I wasn't going to start a thread on this fight (even though we've posted on Ronda's other recent fights). But I just can't resist the hype vid.
On Ellentube, no less. Yea, that Ellen. :confused:
http://ellentube.com/videos/0_91z5qd54
I have another engagement this Saturday so I'll probably just watch the animated .gif on twitter later. ;)
Honestly, this will only be interesting if there's an upset.Quote:
Ronda Rousey vs. Holly Holm: Five things to know about UFC 193
By Lyle Fitzsimmons | CBSSports.com
November 11, 2015 10:00 am ET
The "most impressive" athlete in pro sports, according to Dana White, is back in action on Saturday. Ronda Rousey makes her return to the Octagon to face ex-boxer Holly Holm in front of what figures to be a curious bunch of would-be cage converts in Melbourne, Australia, on Saturday.
It's the 13th bout of Rousey's pro career, and one that provides a rare glimpse at a superstar whose rocket-like ascension has made her the most recognized mixed martial artist in history, not to mention one of the most talked-about female athletes of any vocation, ever.
The pay-per-view show begins at 10 p.m. ET and will feature four bouts, plus the main event.
There's no doubt about it,” White told CBS Sports. “And it's not just sports. She's got magazines, she's got movies. It's so hard to describe what that ‘it' is. But whatever it is, she's certainly got it.”
Given that it might be a short night on the south Australian coast, here are five talking points to share with your MMA cohorts before the festivities begin.
1. Surprise … you're getting it 49 days early: The Rousey-Holm fight has long been in the works, but the actual date on which the two are meeting was moved up seven weeks after another UFC main event was scrubbed by injury. Welterweight champion Robbie Lawler and challenger Carlos Condit were scheduled to headline the Saturday show at Etihad Stadium in Melbourne, but plans were changed when Lawler sustained a thumb injury.
In stepped female bantamweights (135 pounds) Rousey and Holm, who'd been slated to get together on Jan. 2, but mutually agreed to take over main event duties roughly 8,127 miles to the southwest of Las Vegas -- in an outdoor venue that holds more than 60,000 people.
If the card is a sellout, it would break the existing UFC attendance record is 55,724, set in 2011 at UFC 129 at Rogers Centre in Toronto. Because of the time diference, the fight date in Australia is actually Sunday, but it'll be shown live on pay-per-view Saturday night in the United States.
2. Rousey is a becoming worldwide commodity: Now that she's conquered magazine racks across the US, Saturday's fight is the latest step in UFC's quest to make the 28-year-old Rousey a household name on distant shores, too. It's the third scheduled match outside her native land -- she competed in Canada in her second pro outing in 2011 -- and the second in a row that's involved significant air travel from her home base in Southern California.
Rousey squashed Brazilian challenger Bethe Correia in just 34 seconds on Correia's home turf in Rio de Janeiro, an Aug. 1 matchup that's far more memorable for lead-in trash talk than anything that actually occurred on fight night. It was the ninth time in 12 fights that Rousey's opponent failed to last 60 seconds.
"Obviously, Ronda Rousey was huge for us down in Brazil," White said, upon announcing the Australia show. "She's obviously a huge superstar for us. Australia is an important market for us, so we're going to bring her out there in our first real big stadium show, and we know that she'll break the record out there."
3. Holm may be a UFC newcomer, but she's no rookie: She may not have performed in front of 60,000 fans across the entire 11 years, but Holm, 34, is a veteran of 38 professional boxing matches from 2002 to 2013 -- which yielded 33 victories and nine knockouts against just two losses and three draws.
The Albuquerque native collected an alphabet soup of sanctioning body title belts during that run, reigning at 140 (IBA, WBF, WIBA), 147 (IBA, IFBA, WBA, WBC, WBF, WIBA) and 154 pounds (IBA, IFBA). She was generally considered the best that women's boxing had to offer until a 2011 stoppage loss to Anne Sophie Mathis, a result she avenged with a wide unanimous decision six months later.
Holm last boxed in May 2013 and was 3-0 as an MMA fighter while juggling both sports. She's been MMA exclusive since July 2013 and has run her cage record to 9-0 with six stoppage wins, including a split decision over Raquel Pennington on the Rousey-Cat Zingano show at UFC 184 in Los Angeles. White labeled her the world's “most accomplished” female combat sports athlete, and suggested that the dual pedigree will present Rousey with her most significant challenge to date.
4. If you're making a bet, get creative: Pedigree or not, Holm remains a prohibitive underdog in most places, including the sports book at the Wynn Las Vegas, where a straight $100 outlay on Holm will return $1,200 in the event of an upset. Meanwhile, it'll take a straight $2,000 wager on Rousey to earn a $100 profit.
Considering that 11 of Rousey's 12 pro matches have ended in the first round -- and only three of those 11 have gone more than a minute -- the most probable chance at a payout comes from a $100 wager on Rousey to win in the opening minute, which would return a $200 profit at 5Dimes.eu.
By contrast, Holm's best chance figures to be extending Rousey into the later stages of the match, where a decision win for her would mean a $2,800 return for a $100 bet. Rousey, meanwhile, would reward bettors with a $1,500 return for the first scorecard victory of her four-year career. The longest shot on the 5Dimes board is a draw, which would mean a $35,000 return for $100.
5. It's not just a UFC thing anymore: What began as a novelty act for the hardcore octagon set is now anything but. Not only has Rousey made headlines for a months-long media feud with recently retired boxing kingpin Floyd Mayweather Jr., she's gone a long way toward competing with -- and often bettering -- the guys when it comes to the impartial observer set, too.
She became the first MMA athlete to win the ESPY for “Best Fighter” in 2015, and she grabbed a Sports Illustrated cover for a story in which Jon L. Wertheim wrote, “These are flush times for Rousey LLC. The UFC's women's bantamweight champion is cleaning out her division Tyson-style, her fights less competitions than exercises in performance art.”
Business Insider recently joined the parade as well, placing Rousey atop a “Most Dominant Athletes Alive” list that included such runners-up as LeBron James (No. 2), Serena Williams (No. 3), Usain Bolt (No. 5), and, oh by the way, Mayweather at No. 14.
“No athlete is the best in their sport by a wider margin than Rousey,” the report said. “Her two wins in the past year have lasted an average of 15 seconds. The UFC made her its first female fighter ever. In her five UFC fights, only one opponent has made it out of the first round without getting knocked out [or submitted]. She's not just undefeated; she's effectively untouched.”
http://www.cbssports.com/images/mma/rousey2.jpg
Ronda Rousey explained her political views in a recent interview. (USATSI)
Well....
LMAO !
Well, it's no secret now; Holly Holm won by dramatic KO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXZbTkDxFbw&sns=em
Holm displayed masterful boxing skills, but also great integration of her kicking skills as well. It seems the pro-boxing crowd are discounting the fact that Holm seemlessly combined her boxing with her MT/kickboxing, and is an awesome KO kicker. Rousey is certainly not the first opponent Holm has hurt or KO'd with that high left round kick. Her leg skills are integral to her overall style. Best of all, she seems to be a class act all the way.
Holly Holm Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gap-rM4CbLc&sns=em
Can I claim 'called it' rights with the post above?
Reminded me of Carano vs. Cyborg. Holly Holm played her game well for the dethrone, but lacks the charisma to be the next media darling of the cage.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneChing
I've been very amused by all of the martial arts 'commentators' on facebook saying how this proves boxing beats grappling. :rolleyes:
Now we'll see if Ronda is gracious in defeat.
On any given day...
Allow me to pontificate for just a bit:
Ah, the KO. the REAL "anti-grappling", LOL !
Ronda overhyped herself and, as these things tend to happen, met a hungrier fighter and lost.
It would be nice if fighters would simply let their fighting do the talking for them but that simply isn't the case in this era of clowns over warriors.
I never really minded the old school "vale tudo" matches, even fought in a few when I was younger BUT the current UFC product is a far cry from that.
More hype than substance.
UFC has become a joke of what it could have been and considering it appeals to the same fan base of WWE, well, enough said there I guess.
MMA has become a style in of itself, developed and trained for the specific sphere of sport combat.
In short it has become what it sought to dispel.
Ronda should have focused more on fighting and less on publicity and selling herself to the mainstream world.
The warrior mindset and the mercantile mindset to NOT mix well.
One of them has to go and it is usually the warrior mindset that goes.
End of rant.
I don't know how well Ronda will adjust for the rematch BUT she does have the skill to win it.
Of course as she trains to be better, so will Holly.
Holly, from the limited that I saw, did what every fighter that has seen Ronda fight said that a female fighter would have to do with Ronda to beat her and she did it well.
one thing for sure....rematch and the UFC will rake in the cash.
Nice post. Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin
About MMA having become a style unto itself, isn't that what usually seems to happen? Similar to when Bruce Lee having a concept called JKD, and then a lot of people practicing it as a distinct style, with the same movement patterns BL used at a particular point in his life. What begins as an open concept of whatever works for the individual becomes a consensus style flavored by preferences and put into a box of what's 'acceptable' and 'unacceptable'. When often much of what's dumped into the latter category are things that are simply unfamiliar/unpopular/not trending, but valid nonetheless if actually trained and incorporated properly.
I would also add that I've seen it happen a lot where a fighter who enters a fight carrying too much anger, animosity, and intensity beforehand gets taken apart during the fight. Up to now, Ronda's strong emotions worked for her. Against Holly it was one of the things that worked against her.
Of course, Ronda does have the potential to come back and beat Holly. But there's also the possibility that she won't. Styles (and individuals) make fights. Maybe Holly just has the answers to Ronda and her style. Perhaps like Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield; Tyson was far more interesting a personality and exciting in the ring, but Holyfield was able to (more or less) nullify his style twice.
As for UFC appealing to the WWE-type crowd, I thought I heard that Dana White kind of encourages that?
Ronda was walking right into some of Holly's punches. She got mad, prideful, and fell for the trap.
Spot on, s_r. You should watch the whole fight when you get the chance. Holly does exactly what she needs to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin
No doubt. I'll be curious to see how they promote Holly and if they squeeze in some more challengers for her before Ronda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonzbane76
Yeah, I'll get more enthusiastic when they start wearing luchador masks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo
Agreed on all accounts.Quote:
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As one friend said to me, "Holly "went machida" on Ronda".
She was cool, calm and collected and stuck and moved and counter-struck her in ways she had not seen before.
Of course the conspiracy nut in me can also say that this was exactly what the UFC women's division needed, coincidentally...:D
Honestly, Holm just did what southpaws are supposed to do. She took the edge when she wanted. And when she gave up the outside she always had her left square on Rousey's center. I just don't really see it as that big an upset, I guess. She'd competed in kickboxing rules (granted amateur) in early 2000's. And MMA rules since 2011. As good as her boxing is, she's not just another single dimension fighter trying to make the cross-over. She stuff 2 takedowns, got one of her own, prevented an arm bar, and used her clinch work to nullify Rousey's.
At any rate, this wasn't some boxer beating up a grappler. Rousey got in a few decent shots herself. But Holm demonstrated aptitude in all phases. The fight took its noticeable sway towards Holm after she nullified Rousey's armbar at 2:30 into the 1st. That was the point 1) Rousey began letting her hands get way too low and 2) Holm started striking without concern for Rousey's ground game and started really drilling the left down the barrel. And with all the talk of Holm's boxing, I think that last bit is the real difference. No one we have seen until now has been fighting without being paranoid of Rousey's armbar. Credit to her coaches, because it paid off.
Anyways, I don't think Rousey wanted it. She's been making excuses about wanting to retire for a bit now. I doubt any rematch will be too soon. She's wanting a break. And I'd think she'll have to be considering a change in her camp before trying to reclaim her title.
I only watched about 30 seconds and the knockout.
That is all I have to say on the matter.
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Originally Posted by SoCo KungFu
She didn't just "compete in amateure kickboxing", she was a high ranking pro boxer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly_Holm
Professional boxing career
Holm has held several welterweight boxing titles,[8] been highly regarded as one of the best female welterweights in the world, and is considered among the best of all time, by some.[9][10] She also has been named Ring Magazine female Fighter of the Year, twice in consecutive years in 2005 and 2006. She is a big draw in her home town of Albuquerque, having all but 3 of her fights there and just one of her fights outside of her home state of New Mexico.
In June 2008 she became the undisputed welterweight champion and holder of belts from 140 to 154 by defeating former champ Mary Jo Sanders by decision. They fought a rematch on October 17, 2008, at the Palace of Auburn Hills in suburban Detroit, which ended in a draw.[11]
On December 2, 2011, Holm took on knockout artist Anne Sophie Mathis of France for the vacant IBF female and WBAN welterweight titles. Holm was badly beaten by the stronger Mathis without the referee interfering, even going into the canvas without a count. She finally lost by knockout in the 7th round, which would be dubbed the upset of the year in women's boxing.[12] The two rematched on June 15, 2012 for Mathis's WBF female, IBF female, and WBAN welterweight titles. Holm took a unanimous decision win over Mathis, becoming the new champion and avenging her earlier KO loss.[13]
Quite simply, Holly was underestimated by the Rousey camp and Ronda spend more time marketing herself than training seriously.
Holly fought Ronda the way fight experts have been saying she needs to be fought to beat her.
You're talking passed me. That was my point...just from the opposite end. I'm familiar with Holm's background. Everyone is talking about how a boxer just proved boxing > all. She's not a boxer. She's not a kickboxer. She has a core that's supremely developed. But she showed she's got skills in all ranges. She's spent the last half a decade developing for MMA and she just showed she's a complete fighter.Quote:
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Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin
sanjuro_ronin = TAZZ explains so much. For the real sanjuro_ronin, see below:Quote:
http://www.maxim.com/sites/default/f...?itok=TYZiwuDq
The Wild Conspiracy Theory Behind the Ronda Rousey-Holly Holm Fight
If this is true, it's a huge deal.
ENTERTAINMENT November 17, 2015 By ADAM K. RAYMOND
Three days after Ronda Rousey’s second round knockout at the hands of Holy Holm, some MMA fans are still trying to come to terms with her defeat. And one, former WWE wrestler and commentator has cooked up a conspiracy theory to explain it.
At the center of the argument floated by former WWE star Taz on his CBS Radio show is the break from fighting Rousey announced just a few days before facing down Holm at UFC 193. With movies to film and lots of money to spend, Rousey told Rolling Stone she was hoping to stay away from fighting until UFC 200. That’s why Taz thinks the Rousey-Holm match was fixed:
Why are some people not seeing this? This has been done in the wrestling industry for years. A guy or girl is going to take a break or go away, or has an injury that they have to tend to, whatever the reasons are, and they're a champion—you take the championship off of them. You do not want your champion sitting home or making a movie, 'Roadhouse 2' or whatever Rousey's going to do, or just needs a personal break, which she's earned. This girl's earned it. But you don't want that person sitting home for five, six, seven months with that championship. It's bad for business! Take the belt off her!
Taz, with his knowledge of the inner workings of professional fighting, certainly has a point. It’s certainly in UFC boss Dana White’s interest to have a champion who’s not taking a sabbatical. It’s also in White’s interest to build up Rousey’s inevitable comeback as the opportunity to take back the belt from Holm in 2016.
Still, calling the fight fixed is a pretty serious allegation. It challenges UFC's creditability and Rousey's integrity. It also totally ignores the reality of the fight: Rousey got absolutely dismantled by Holm with little more than a kick to the face. If the UFC wanted to fix the fight, wouldn’t it have made sense to do it so that Rousey wasn't embarrassed? Or maybe so she didn’t have to take a thunder kick to the head? Or schedule plastic surgery to repair damage to her lip after Holm's kick to the dome? If you’re going to fix a fight, there are ways to do it that don’t threaten your top draw with severe injury.
Taz’s theory might be fun to consider, but it’s pretty much impossible to believe.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../81/Tazz_2.jpg
:p
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Originally Posted by GeneChing
The fight was a very good fight ,
Rousey learned a great deal from this fight ,
she will face it head on and improve the skills she needs to win in a rematch.
. . A rematch will be an exciting event for both fighters . A rematch will draw a record amount of $.
I certainly feel as this fight was not fixed, that would be a terrible low blow to MMA and all involved.
Great thoughtS from everyone about this fight.
thank you
Ah, understood.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCo KungFu
Regarding Taz's theory:
I really do not think the fight was fixed. If it were, I seriously doubt that being embarrassed, outfought and then taking a full-force round kick to the side of the neck is something that Ronda would have agreed to. Also, if it were to take a break to star in movies, how would losing in such a manner help her screen image in any way?
Whenever someone who seems 'unbeatable' is finally beaten, there are always pundits who crawl out of the woodwork and scream "fix". Either that, or they say the reason he/she was beaten was due to some kind of turmoil that's been going on in his/her life, etc. That's terribly disrespectful to Holly Holm and to any other fighter who has pulled off 'the impossible win'. It's also disrespectful to Ronda, IMO.
Agreed, there was no fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo
The only ones that saw her as "unbeatable" where the nutriders and fanboys.
Those with experience saw the gaps and all that was needed was someone with enough skill to take advantage.
And Holly beat her exactly how Ronda would be beaten.
It was a good fight. I'm struck by the absurd reactions and memes I've been reading on facebook. So much disrespect to Ronda. I don't remember so much dissing when boxing was king. What has MMA done to fight fans? Maybe it's just social media that has made everyone shallow.
I still think sanjuro_ronin is Tazz tho. :p
I am to svelt to be Tazz :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneChing
What has MMA done to fight fans?
Nothing really, it is simply that the UFC has marketed itself to those kind of fans, too those that follow/ed WWE, to those that believe fighters fight for THEIR entertainment, marketd to those that don't understand that fighters do NOT, SHOULD NOT debase themselves by "selling" their fights.
I don't know what percentage of MMA fans actually train in a MA but those that do, I often wonder what "core values" they have gotten from their MA, what "wude" or what "bushido" values they have.
Meh...UFC brass have already shown they don't need an active champion to keep the division going. They just set up an interim championship fight and use it to drum up an overhyped "reunification" bout down the road.
MMA has always had an element of dirt in the fanbase. It comes with its history. There has been an influx of the "WWE" crowd in recent years. But I think it has as much to do with these guys trying to jump ship and make a run in MMA. Lesnar proved legit and now half the group seems to think they can pull it off. When CM Punk or whatever his name is stutters and fades off, I expect that cash cow (and UFC's opportunistic marketing) to go with it. I think we'll already see it a bit now that Rousey likely won't have the same marketing appeal on the WWE side of things. I could be wrong though, hadn't Shamrock been mixed up in the entertainment business for a good while now?
The cage really descends from pro wrasslin and with it comes that same fan base. I suppose most pro sports fans are similar - Football, Baseball, Soccer (on the international level) - they all have drunken idiots. Maybe I'm remembering boxing fans with rose-tinted glasses. Honestly, I've never been to a pro boxing match, so I can't say.
And the internet is very much to blame. I see so much idiocy on the social media - that dwarfs the foolishness I see here on the forum, believe it or not. Adding fuel to this fire is the fact that MMA reporting is more web based. You don't really see that much of this in on TV news and it never makes the sports page in the newspaper. It's all about the web and anyone can post here. Only a few sites seem to have any sort of editorial savvy. Most are going for the most eyeball-catching headlines, and those are the most vitriol nowadays.
It's just such a shame. I admire both Rousey and Holm. This was a good fight, a title match upset at its best. Why fans have to make it so pithy just denigrates the whole sport.
:p good comeback.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin
I have been to many pro Boxing fights , I saw no drunken idiots at these fights. In my opinion Pro-Boxing was ( before Tyson got involved) a great sport . Boxing had always been in a league of it own .Boxing was and still is some serious stuff. Boxers are excellent fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneChing
I agree with everything else , the MMA is web based , there exits idiots everywhere , they have always been around , before the Internet they hid from public view, today they hide on the internet.
:cool:
It is indeed sad that the idiots don't realize what a great professional fight these 2 Lady's fought.
I think the high number of idiot UFC/MMA fans who spew personal attacks is very much a generational thing. In general, MMA fans are a younger crowd than boxing fans. Their whole lives have been shaped by social media and saying or reading things online that would never be said to someone's face. Although lord knows there are plenty of older idiots as well, but I'll bet dollars to donuts that most of the online sniping is by people 25 and under who don't have lives.
In past decades/generations, if you wanted to snipe at someone's character or achievements, there was a FAR greater risk of facing direct consequences. That's no longer the case. Now anyone can play keyboard bad@ss, but it's really just cowardly behavior by people with retarded social development, because they can't turn off their iPhones, iPods, or whatever, and live in the real world. Some of them even wear their cowardice with pride, as long as they can remain anonymous. But deep down it really eats them up inside to see others who are actually out there trying, risking, doing, accomplishing...and yes, sometimes even failing...at things they themselves lack the courage or the commitment to even attempt.
Poor Ronda. There's a video, but it's a hard watch.
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RONDA ROUSEY I'M ASHAMED OF MY FACE
11/17/2015 8:05 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF
EXCLUSIVE
RONDA UNDERCOVER TMZSports.com
Ronda Rousey doesn't want anyone to see the damage Holly Holm did to her face -- taking drastic measures to cover up as she arrived back in L.A. moments ago.
Besides rocking a hood over her head, sunglasses on her eyes and draping her hair over her face ... Ronda also used a pillow to mask her mug as she walked through LAX.
Ronda's boyfriend Travis Browne was with her ... but neither Ronda nor Travis were in the mood to talk.
It's a pretty sad video ... Ronda like we've never seen her before.
As we previously reported, Dana White told us Ronda was depressed and bummed out about the loss -- but vows to return to the UFC for a rematch.
#GetWellSoon
Now, I'm sure there were some. Any major sport attracts drunken idiots. I should qualify this by saying I've been to plenty of MMA fights (most of which I've documented here). I've not seen that many drunken idiots there, at least no more then you might see at a football or a baseball game. I have seen a few fights break out in the audience, but those were amateur MMA events. The professional events like UFC and formerly Strikeforce were all great spectator sports. Those people that actually come out to support the fights are of a better stock. Jimbo is closer to what I'm seeing - those keyboard bad@sses. When boxing was king, we didn't have the internet. Now, I barely hear anything about boxing on the internet unless it's a huge fight like Pacquiao vs Mayweather. Proportionally speaking, I's say there was the same amount of idiocy and disrespect for the fighters with web commentary I saw. It's just that Ronda is bigger than boxing now - heck, she was just on the cover of RING - when is Mayweather going to get the cover of an MMA mag? That's what I mean about proportion.Quote:
Originally Posted by SIFU RON
Gene, I hope you meant "What Jimbo described is closer to what I'm seeing". ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneChing
I still respect Ronda as a fighter. IMO, she really has no reason to hide her face. It's the fight game, after all. There's a winner and a loser. In any fight, there's always a 50% chance of losing, even if you're the favorite, because anything can happen. NOBODY likes to lose. But oftentimes, you will learn more about yourself, and push yourself to greater heights after suffering a loss than you would by a win, especially an easy win. This is not only a golden opportunity for Ronda to patch up the holes in her game, but also, to perhaps develop a little more empathy herself, knowing how bad she feels after her own devastating loss.
Greetings,
I thought this was the worst RR fight of them all.
The person who really defeated Ronda Rousey was.............Ronda Rousey.
She came in looking heavy and deconditioned to the point where whatever stand up striking methods she learned went pretty much out the window.
Was there that always hyped pre fight weigh in? Rousey's doughy appearance might have affected the gambling odds.
mickey
She did kinda look Fat . I herd that Holms girl was on steroids .
If you went back to the cat vs ronda thread I called holly would beat ronda as soon as holly entered ufc. That said ronda had the right ideal of presser holly to the corner but not the foot work or the know how to cut the cage off. Instead she chased her around holly strong area. I would like to see ronda regain her belt but if these two gals fight 10 times holly wins 9. Tate vs Holly a good fight if tate won holly ronda gets belt back from tate.
Rousey has always fought big, this was no different. She wasn't "fat". She made her weight. Any sluggishness could be because she chose to cut/bulk like usual despite the new anti-IV hydration rules, but this is all dumb speculation and no one here has any knowledge on it so its useless to talk about.
Even dumber is the crap about Holm roiding based off the rantings of some no-named youtube stalker with an obsession over the size of her vag. That's the level of stupid no one with a functioning brain should be repeating...she's been fighting a decade and a half and never a dirty test.
Rousey's striking isn't so miserable as she was made to look. Holm is just that good. Rousey had holes in her game. Holm was the perfect fighter to exploit them. Greg Jackson is the Bill Belichick (or I guess Sun Tzu would be more appropriate for this crowd) of MMA. And beyond striking, we've seen now Rousey has the same problems that all Judoka have had in MMA fighting defensive opponents.
Not much of any of this is should be surprising.
I agree that Ronda looked pretty much as she always does in fights in terms of her weight. To say that she only lost because she beat herself is, IMO, not an appropriate excuse. Then we could also say that every opponent who lost to Ronda (or anyone who loses a match) also beat themselves.
I also do not think that Holly Holm was roided up. IMO, whoever started that rumor simply cannot believe that Holly could have beaten Ronda fair and square, which she did.
As far as Ronda's striking looking relatively poor, of course it did; Holly Holm's striking and overall standup game is at a whole other level. As already mentioned, nobody else had been able to exploit that before. It would be the same as taking a mediocre grappler and putting her in with Ronda. That's what happens when someone is taken out of their game and being outclassed and dominated at areas in which they are less proficient.
Indeed. I stand corrected. Maybe. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo
Ultimately, I'm curious to see what's next for both Holly and Ronda. Ronda doesn't seem to be taking her loss well (who does?) and social media is surely antagonizing that. But compare to what happened to Gina Carano after her loss to Cyborg. She parlayed that into a decent film career with Heist, Extraction and Deadpool. Gina knew when to leave the cage. I can't imagine Ronda retiring at this point. That rematch is such big money for UFC. Dana is going to offer her so much for that fight. And Holly, she's on top now, so I look forward to seeing her fight again.
Will Ronda be able to redeem her public image and still do Road House and Mile 22. As for Holly, she's got Fight Valley queued up, but that doesn't look like a major production at this point. While I have the utmost respect for Holly as a fighter, I don't think she has the charisma that Gina or Ronda has. Just look at what happened to Cyborg after she defeated Gina. The media sort of blew her off. And I've met her. She's actually quite attractive in person.
That's a good point about Gina Carano.
I imagine that Ronda will be able to redeem herself, but the way she handled her loss will make that difficult in a lot of people's eyes. Everybody hates to lose, but how one handles it is critical. IMO, a good policy is to be gracious in victory as well as in defeat. Being gracious in defeat leaves far less ammunition for haters to use against you to kick you while you're down.
I really like Holly; she seems like a class act. I don't know how she would translate into movies, though. Many people who are awesome fighters cannot translate well into acting and movies. But we'll see. I hope she does well in that regard if she chooses to pursue it.
Good to hear her voice again. :)Quote:
Ronda Rousey Opens Up About Her Stunning Loss to Holly Holm: 'I'm Really F---ing Sad'
Ronda Rousey Talks Holly Holm Fight, Says She's Sad About Defeat
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BY TIERNEY MCAFEE @tierneymcafee 12/07/2015 AT 11:50 AM EST
Ronda Rousey may be down – but she's far from out.
After a crushing defeat by Holly Holm left Rousey unconscious, hospitalized and "really f---ing sad," the Ultimate Fighting Championship superstar was forced to accept the fact that she won't retire undefeated – that she's not, as people were starting to believe, invincible.
The stitches in her lip still dissolving, and a few of her teeth still unstable from Holm's fight-ending kick to the face, Rousey admits to ESPN, "It might be three to six months before I can eat an apple, let alone take an impact."
But, in a new interview at her "smallish boho town house" in Venice, California, less than two weeks after the fight that brought a shocking close to her winning streak, Rousey remains optimistic. "Maybe I can't do it all before my prime, before my body is done," she says. "But f--- it, maybe I can."
Adding fuel to her desire to dominate are all the naysayers – from rapper 50 Cent, who posted a picture of Rousey unconscious after the Holm fight and then tried to blame it on his friend Floyd Mayweather before deleting it, to GOP hopeful Donald Trump, who tweeted that he was "glad" Rousey lost her championship fight because she was "not a nice person."
Sorry, she's not sorry.
Rousey refuses to apologize for being tough and "to the point," just as she refuses to be judged by any standard of beauty.
"I think it's hilarious if people say that my body looks masculine," she said on an episode of UFC's Embedded that aired before her fight with Bethe Correia. "I'm just like, 'Listen, just because my body was developed for a purpose other than f---ing millionaires doesn't mean it's masculine.' I think it's femininely badass as f--- because there's not a single muscle on my body that isn't for a purpose. Because I'm not a do-nothing *****. It's not very eloquently said, but it's to the point. And maybe that's just what I am. I'm not that eloquent, but I'm to the point."
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"She does not soften herself to make anyone more comfortable," ESPN's Ramona Shelburne writes of Rousey.
"Most people get scared away from having an opinion," Rousey says. "It's not so much my opinions everybody relates to, it's that I don't care about being punished for it."
From the GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS 2017 EDITION:
Does Holly Holm deserve her own indie thread on the MMA forum? Probably, but I don't feel up to copying previous posts into one right now.Quote:
FEMALE SPORTS STARS CARLI LLOYD, HOLLY HOLM, AND LETICIA BUFONI
SCORE RECORDS IN NEW
GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS 2017 EDITION
New York, NY – October 12, 2016 – There’s only one place where you will find the biggest names in the world of sport side-by-side and that is in the sports pages of the new and updated GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS 2017 EDITION, which is out now. Featured in this year’s edition are record-breaking feats from some of the most well regarded female athletes from around the world.
Starting with SOCCER, US Women’s National Team member, Carli Lloyd claimed titles for Most goals in a FIFA Women’s World Cup final by an individual (3), the Fastest goal in a FIFA Women’s World Cup final (just 3 minutes after kick-off), and the Oldest goal-scorer in a FIFA Women’s World Cup final (at 32 years and 354 days old). These three impressive record titles were achieved by the midfielder in the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup Final matchup against Japan, in which Carli delivered an extraordinary performance that made her worthy of the recognition as the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Player of the Year.
Guinness World Records caught up with Carli at her hometown soccer field in Medford, New Jersey, ahead of her appearance in the 2016 Summer Olympic Games in Rio, to present her with her official certificates. On her Guinness World Records achievements, Carli commented, “I remember as a kid always looking for this book and just seeing all the records that are in this book. It’s pretty cool to be included. I’m honored and thrilled to be accepting not just one but three record titles.”
In the field of MIXED MARTIAL ARTS, Holly Holm achieved the record for being the First athlete to win boxing and MMA world titles. Holm achieved a World Boxing Association welterweight championship in 2006 and a UFC bantamweight championship in 2015. She became the official record holder for this title after her incredible match against Ronda Rousey, at UFC 193 in Melbourne. Holm’s upset is considered to be one of the biggest upsets in UFC history. When presented with her certificate Holly mentioned that her record-breaking achievement is “something I dreamed of” and “a reminder to keep pushing forward.”
Lastly, in STREET SPORTS, Brazilian skateboarder Leticia Bufoni is featured as holding the record for Most wins of the World Skateboarding street world rankings (female), with a total of four. The three-time X Games champion mentioned that, “It is an honor to be included in this year’s book. For me skateboarding is more about having fun with your friends than it is about winning... but don’t get me wrong, winning is great too!” Leticia has been competing in the X Games and developing her skateboarding skills since the age of 14 and has been nominated for an ESPY award for her remarkable performance.
Other records of note in the sports pages include:
• Longest span of Grand Slam singles titles (open era) – 22 – Serena Williams
• Fastest long course 800 M freestyle (female) – 8 min 6.68 sec – Katie Ledecky
• Fastest serve (tennis) – 131 mph – Sabine Lisicki
• Most goals in FIFA Women’s World Cup finals – 15 –Marta Vieira da Silva
The aforementioned sports records are just a snippet of what you will find across 24 sports pages, 19 different sports disciplines with personalized record holder profiles on selected stars with facts, stats and trivia to boost. The 2017 edition also includes bonus content commemorating the 125th anniversary of basketball and a look at the winter and summer X Games, with historic records and facts from the sports’ stars.
The 2017 GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS book and Gamer’s Edition are available in stores for a suggested retail price of $28.95 and $14.99 respectively.