Whats the best style for quick and powerful self defense?
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Whats the best style for quick and powerful self defense?
I recommend Traditional Kenpo in your area contact Dave Simmons twindragondave@hotmail.com
You will learn fast powerful techniques for self defense and the martial art.
You Have The Power,
Dave S :cool:
Quick and powerful self-defense, no frills, no flowery moves, no wasted motion? Shotokan. For a CMA I would suggest Wing Chun.
K. Mark Hoover
When fighting, don't think too much and just fight.
Any martial art style you learn will be helpful if you train it in that manner.
It's hard to find any traditional school that offers proper full contact training. I would suggest either a local kickboxing or boxing gym or if grappling is more your flavor then a local Judo club.-ED
"The grappling arts imply most fights end up on the ground...take them there. The striking arts imply all fights start standing up...keep them there. The mixed martial arts imply any fight can go anywhere...be ready and able to go everywhere."-a mix martial artist
Well, there really is no best style. They all have their merits. I personally recommend Ed Parker's American Kenpo or A.K.K.I. American Kenpo
They are very closely related (since A.K.K.I. came out of Ed Parker's Kenpo) and are both centered around real life self defense. However, most styles of traditional Karate and even Kung Fu will work well on the street. For maximum benefit I would recomend crosstrianing in both a stricking art (Kenpo, Kung Fu, Karate) and a groundfighting art like Brazillian Jujitsu or akido. I say this because your best bet is to stop the attacker while standing up (where a striking art is most effective), but in case you do end up on the ground you kneed a good knowledge of how to fight there as well.
Anyway, I hope I have been of some help.
Assumption is the mother of tragedy. Just keep and open mind, be ready, and go full force.
If all you want is quick and powerful, I wouldn't even worry about styles learn about 5 techniques and work on perfecting them against an opponent.
1) Front thrust kick (pelvic area)
2) vertical punch (solar plexus, head)
3) spear hand (throat, eyes)
4) vertical knee (groin, sides of leg)
5) elbow strike (ribs, chest, head)
You can take out any untrained person if you truly understand all of those techniques. NOW, if you want to be able to handle trained people or people with streetfighting experience then I would find a good school and join.
In my experience with Kenpo it is mainly concerned with the untrained person who steps with his left and throws a right punch (yes there is more, but at the beginning at least in my training this is what it was). My experience in my other art is more concerned with training you from the start against another trained fighter and then you use those principles for an untrained person as well, but it takes a little longer.
"There are many who talk of the Way, but few who walk the Way."
There is an old Chinese saying that translates as "One year of Shuai Chiao is better than three years of other fist arts."
I am a big beleiver in luck. The more I work, the more luck I have.
"In my experience with Kenpo it is mainly concerned with the untrained person who steps with his left and throws a right punch (yes there is more..."
You're right. There's more.
In general a striking art and a grappling art!
Boxing, muy thai=striking.
wrestling, bjj=grappling.
Please judge according to your body structure and weather you like CONTACT! I use to be a BANGER so I use to do boxing and muy thai...as I got older( 26 LOL )...my body couldn't take the banging...hurt back and all...so I became more and more a grappler! It ultimately depends on you!
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Glock-Fu.
"You have to consider the possibility that god does not like you; he never wanted you. In all probability, he hates you. It is not until we have lost everything that we can do anything."
Boxing or REAL kickboxing
SCOTT answer is surprisingly correct also...I'm a future police officer...so I would have to say...a gun can intimidate 80% of an opponent out there...the problem is in most fight enviornments...bars, clubs, and restaurants...u're not allowed to bring one in!
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Kenpoman--
I was just curious what branch/style of Kenpo you are studying? My experience has been through Dr. La Tourette's style.
"There are many who talk of the Way, but few who walk the Way."
I havent taken any other martial arts besides Wing Chun but it has worked great for me,maybe that can help you.
BJJ and more BJJ fro groundwwork.
Stand Up-
Kungfu-White Eyebrow, Dragon, Choy Lee Fut
Wing chun(NOT)
Karate-Goju, Uechi Ryu, Kyukuoshin
Shotokan(NOT)
And Muay Thai.
All and none !
All styles contain within them the real capacity for self defense hidden in a lot of other stuff that a body can do (art) but shouldn't do in a fight.
The trick is too find these things inside the art you practice and then practice them from a self defense, not a "martial art" pov.
So, I tend to agree with Kevin A. Hirakis, except (of course) my list is a little different in its choices of the most lethal / most efficient strikes.
The only blow that I can't seem to find in classical styles anywhere is the cqc chin jab, a driving of the palm heel straight up into the chin with the hand pointed back to towards yourself...of course palm heel strikes are common and easily modified to this particular form but as a technique in a classical form / kata, it is elusive.
If you know the strike and know a form with this strike in it, please let me know!`
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The most effective and most efficient way to defend yourself is the ancient art of running. Let's face it, most fights can be avoided if the victim is brave enough to run away, but most don't because they feel ashamed or think it's cowardly to run away.
Even if you are good enough to stand your ground and actaully fight, there are always some consequences of your action. Most trouble makers that are intent on causing trouble have some sort of genetic defects, and even if you give them a good beating, they will try to seek their revenge in other ways. I speak from experience.
So, if you want to learn the most effective method to defend yourself in the shortest time possible, run young man. RUN.
However, if you are not man enough to run away, try genuine Thai Boxing. Believe it or not, most Hong Kong traid members learn Thai boxing because the enforcers can get their soldiers to fight in the shortest time possible. Think about it; they can't wait 3-years to train their members in something like wing chun or choy-li fut.
Why have we sunk so low that a question like this has started a discussion?
With little to no doubt in my mind, the best styles for quick and powerful self defense are Hsing I, P'a K'ua, Silat, Escrima, Praying Mantis, or Shuai Chiao.
Probably in that order.
However, if you are learning from an instructor who is a crock, then what ever you learn is worthless. IMHO, lots of instructors in most arts are not worth their salt. (I am sure that that is at least a little gasoline to the fire.)
If you don't practice by yourself consistantly, you are deceiving yourself. Generally speaking, I find that a person needs to practice a given technique into the thousands of repetitions before they can realize some of the capablities in their arts.
Of course, I have a glock 40 that is quite fast and powerful....
Peace
yi beng, kan xue
how come you listed Wing Chun and Shotokan and then put "(not)" next to them?
Joe
I have heard this & asked 1000 times . let me tell you a secret. There is no best or quick way to develop a weapon if you want quick buy a gun also all the styles have somthing good to offer in the selfdefence. one more note somtimes it is not the style that matters but the person behind the style .good luck
...best system anyway, not the best STYLE. Check out Tony bluauers chu fen do (he has a website.)I would recomend any of his videos, the Panther series is a good one. He trains pure street reality in ways that have blown me away. He develops basic tools,attributes,psychology,and some of the most realistic confrontation drills you'll ever find. For "quickie" self defense it is the best hands down. As for what you would want for a styel....you have a buffet of choices!
kung fu san soo
I'm not as strong as anybody that tries to fight me on the street, but then again, I'm given the advantage.It seems to me that u're looking for that same advatage.I've gained it by studying Traditional Wing Chun Kung Fu.no blocks, just redirections and extrememly fast powerful attk's/counters.
whatever u practice with Sifu,works on the street-period-
defending:fists,pipes,bricks,sticks,bats,knives,gu ns,u're covered.
no wasted movements,no flowery forms.It's a for real combat system that(trust me) actally works on the streets.
I have tried dozens of styles. The worst are styles like Tao kwon do, SHOTOKAN, any okinowin style, or "hard style" . A hard style is one which is stiff, and has no fluidity or economy of movement. I believe all Jap., okinowin styles fit the hard style description no matter how you try and get around it. Chinese styles are by far the best, but even they can be hard..hung-gar for instance, or shaolin. If you practice a hard style and have to defend yourself against a good streetfighter, or boxer, you will most likely loose! Or the bigger guy will win.
The best styles I've seen so far are: Dim-Mak(death touch) as taught by Master Erle Montaigue www.taijiworld.com, dimmak comes from taijiquan(tai chi), however few people know the true martial applications. Baguazhang is good, hsing-i chuan, wing-chun is also ok. Bruce lee studied chinese arts..he was fluid-quick-and powerfull , look for these qualities.
Here in Denmark, a new school has popped up, called Wing Tsun. It's basically a variant where they have eliminated the philosophy and internal elements of classic Wing Chun, and emphasize on a total all-out attack until your opponent is disabled or dead. To this end, they use chain-punches to the face, kidneys, solar plexus and throat, as well as pressure kicks to the knees. They combine this with the grappling from Krav Maga ( I don't know where KM borrowed it from though), to get what I'd label the most effective self defence system I saw in my life.
Scary as well, because they don't teach temperance or philosophy along with it, they accept every psycho that comes in from the street...
Just my cents, tho...
/Matias
"I know Kung Fu."
Lesson one : Okinawa culture is NOT Japanese culture. The Okinawans were forced to become Japanese citzens. Like most tropical peoples it was and is hard for them to understand the manic attitudes of the cold weather peoples (i.e. Japanese , but this applies to all "snow folks" , Americans , Brits and Germans (or Teutonic based cultures). Saying they're the same islike saying Hawaiian culture is traditional American culture . Just because your country was taken by another country doesn't mean they're the same culture . Lesson two : Most Okinawans despise all Imperialist powers (especially Japan) . It is true that the Japanese stole Ryukyu Kempo ( Chuan Fa ) , but what they got was an incomplete form of tuite (Okinawan grappling) + Shaolin (Shorin) Chuan Fa. The 3 Shorin Ryu subsystems that I have studied for about 20 yrs. have all the classic Chinese fighting philosophies : powerful but controlled extension on technique(s) , Economy/feasibility of movement
, change body , spacing , circle and point , whipping (relaxation until moment of impact) , etc. , etc. , et nauseum . Everyone of my Senseis have told me that the Okinawan masters would intentionally deceive their subjugators (the Japanese) about technique application (bunkai) , and that Ryukyuan culture was far from synonymous with Japanese culture . On the contrary , it more closely paralleled Chinese culture (originally) if anything . The Okinawan dialect is called Hogan , and is not understandable to the Japanese. In addition , even great Okinawan karateka such as Gichin Funakoshi (founder of Shotokan aka. sport Shorin ryu) were not taught the cherished Fukien Crane forms of Sokon Matsumura due to his friendliness with the Japanese . The Japanese Karates are extremely rigid because they've been reinterpreted by a totally different and regimented people . Find a traditional Shorin or Okinawan Goju (which incidentally means Hard and SOFT) Dojo (training hall) , and talk to the instuctor(s) . Ya' gotta know what you're talking about before you spout rhetoric . I have studied Chinese Kuntao and would like to say that the martial interpretation of Suidi (Shorin Ryu) is just as valid and , in certain aspects even moreso , than the Kung Fu I studied for 6 yrs. I'll pit my martial knowledge against anyone anyday of the week . I try not to practice ignorance and linear thinking ; only the Shorin (Shaolin) Way . You are correct in your assessment of Shotokan , but could not possibly be speaking about the Combat princples of the Uchinanchu and the Shaolin tradition .
All styles are limited no matter how effective people say it is, so basically it depends on you. I recommend, however, Wing Chun, 7 star praying mantis. Mainly if you practice right all the styles will become as quick and powerful for self defense. :)
If two tigers fight, the result will be one injured tiger.
Stillness in stillness is not real stillness. Stillness in motion is real stillness.
"Whats the best style for quick and powerful self defense?"
There is only one correct answer: The style you have practiced hard and learned well.
"Whats the best style for quick and powerful self defense?"
There is only one correct answer: The style you have practiced hard and learned well.
And then person woke-up...quick seemed to me to indicatate a person with at least virtually no training to acquire powerful "self-defense". If it is not study time oriented then of courseyou are not wrong~
Kara-te--you can learn techniques quickly that are powerful~ within a month.
Aikido/Juijitsu (not the stuff called Brazilian)/Bujinkan(taijitsu)--can learn powerful self-defense quickly~
I'm not sure how Wing Chun begins but the stance and hands indicate that this would be powerful self-defense learned quickly.
Praying mantis, if the do forms first would be good but might be too techniquey to be a quick learn to get powerful techniques.
Shaolin and the other fighing Kung-fus are too develope the body first to learn powerful sel-f defense quickly.
Arnis type things would be good except weapons arenot all the time on hand, even sticks. So I'm sticking to empty-hand thingies.
Interenal arts--take a month to begin to get propper strength and years to get useable real fight comprehension...
If what was meant was styles~that even after long use gets one quickness and power for "self- defense", then Jerry Love at least as basically correct. They all can be some kind of good. While they have their own -nesses the individual can mold it to accentuate the aspect(s) of choice. Note:this use by preference alters that art from it's way to be passed on. Pass it on the way you're taught~ make it your own~. Shw them your way after you've given them The Way. Then they can find Their Way. Which like children is a littlebit of you and a little bit of your teachers, anf a little bit of their teachers...Perhaps, some-such.
Very some such,perhaps might have been, likely say some, some not.
if you want fast and good self defence. I would say Wing Chun from my experience. The other things I trained in were okay but Wing Chun to be the better.
In a *real* situation speed is a very big factor. In Wing Chun you learn to chain punch and fast at that. You will get very good and quick at it. You may never bother to go further but I encourage you to do so. but if your in trouble a quick Wing Chun punch to the center body or chin or face will do. Then if you got to a higher level of teaching could go for the chin and or neck with other blows. but if you havne't then just go in with loads of chain punches to the head. Nothing fancy and I'm SURE it would knock anyone down. or serveraly beat them. but if you want really quick, how much time do you have exactly? or are you not willing to learn a Martial Art and just want the self defence parts?
Most of the arts will be all practical. But I would say go for Wing Chun. Nothing fancy. Simple movements that can deal alot of pain and power.
Remember when that thug draws his hand back or goes to sing. YOU would have been trained not to swing back and unleash a wasteful movement of a punch. But from where your hands are you will just block with one hand and punch with the other straight to his face. This will easily if your not like a fly hit him off. And you can combo in or run if you want to.
In the end that person said about running. that is ultimately true. If you can run do RUN.
^_^
SLUPPA BUT SO...only a Cambodian person may know this....hehe
"Bye 4 now; not 4 ever"
Ahhhh.... (SLC says, bowing to No_Know), "quick", as in short/small training commitment, rather than the velocity with which your body reacts. :D
Learning techniques and applying them are too different things..wake up to that fact. bujinkan budo taijutsu as you mentioned is not a quickly learned and easy to use art. i have seen many lower level people in teh art and they would get smoked by someone with 6 months Wing Chun.
Aikido-budo taijutsu: you are looking at a long way to combat proficiency.(depending on the practitioner of course, but generally)
Short term and wuick defense i would say any art that stresses all out destruction :
JKD,Thai boxing, Krav Maga, Kyokushin kai karate
for quick skills i would say in kungfu :
wing chun and any other southern or norther art with hand skills and realistic applications. Depends on how much form training you do vs. actually using elements of the form in realistic application.
for the others..
Who said Okinawan arts are too rigid? REal masters are not rigid. even Shotokan does not and is not supposed to be soo **** rigid. Allot of chinese arts have also become rigid due to americanization, lets not foget that.
finally, H-sing, Bagua, Tai- Chi- who said they are quick skills learned for defense? They take asl ong as bujinkan budo taijutsu and aikido do.Why? Cause you have to lean to control your whole body and move with principles in mind. Anything that stressees the right basics early on will be good. Movement, strikes,breaks, comfort on teh ground, that is the key.
The downside however, is that no 6 month training will turn a Charles Atlas comic geek into a Bruce Lee unless he was one tough SOB in the first place. 80% of people practicing are all fluff and full of s**t. So someone can give you basic skills, but you need the balls and conditioning to put them to use.
Michael Panzerotti
Taijutsu Nobody from the Great White North..
I see alot of folks here really slagging Shotokan.
In the higher levels you'll start to see more natural less rigid postures. As far as "stiff" goes, sure their stiff. I've seen plenty of people get knocked stiff with simple Shotokan techniques.
Shotokan=Sport Shorin Ryu, but it is better than most other Ryu. Kyokushinkai might be a better "hard" style to learn, although it is similar to Shotokan. I say master one, and learn many.Peace...OP
:cool:
The psychological and physical conditioning
involved with studying Shotokan serve as a great base from which to start.
I now study CMA but when I studied Shotokan I loved the fact that we sparred every night. Most of our time was spent preparing to fight. Shotokan will toughen you up quick.
I studied at a very traditional school. There was no real "sport" about it. I'm not very familiar with the specifics of Shorin-Ryu, but I will concede that the Okinawan Styles are more effective.
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At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything
that could be considered a rational thought.
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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Muay Thai is good, because it teaches you how to grab and knee someone properly.
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for 1 on 1 confrontation.
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