I am looking for San Soo instruction in San Antonio, Tx. If anyone knows of anybody willing to teach/train please drop me a line ewallace@budweiser.com
TIA,
Eric
Victory goes to he who makes the next-to-last mistake.
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I am looking for San Soo instruction in San Antonio, Tx. If anyone knows of anybody willing to teach/train please drop me a line ewallace@budweiser.com
TIA,
Eric
Victory goes to he who makes the next-to-last mistake.
Hey, that quote - I've heard it too, do you know it's source?
I am a big beleiver in luck. The more I work, the more luck I have.
It is actually a modified quote from a Russian Chess player named Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower. I find it true in many other aspects than just games.
- Eric
Victory goes to he who makes the next-to-last mistake.
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"you can take my life, but not my confidence"
Jimmy H. Woo
Do you know exactly where he teaches? I live in South Texas (San Antonio). I know there is a school in Dallas headed by Master Dale Lockwood.
TIA,
Eric
Victory goes to he who makes the next-to-last mistake.
stay clear of that one
"you can take my life, but not my confidence"
Jimmy H. Woo
I just moved to Austin from SA! I'm not aware of any san soo schools in SA at all....I've been wanting to try the style myself. I can however recomend a good wing tsun instructor. Also, Rangels vale tudo is a pretty decent school from what I've heard. Email me at iblis73@yahoo.com and I can give you more info on the martial arts (esp.CMA) scene in San Antonio.
paul clark wrote
Listen here is the whole scoop. Chin SUe Dek came from China to America aka Jimmy
woo. He taught traditional kung fu for the first ten to twelve years, iron body training,
How to breathe, tradtional forms etc. Right as Vietnam started things changed from
what I can figure. It was as I can related to my own experience harder to keep students
if you teach the way he was taught. Not many people like to come to class in sit in a
low horse for fifteen minutes at a time and do forms a thousand times. They want fast
food chop saki self defense. So from what I can gather he and some of his students
made some teaching manuals which consisted of short thirty movement forms and
techniques. They are a couple hundred of them in each book. Well here is my dilema.
You see a thousand articles by a thousand different people wearing karate uniforms all
telling a different story presenting it as gospel and they look like a karate guy doing a
take down. They don't move at all like Chin sifu( Jimmy woo) or my sifu. THey don't
recognize my forms, our iron body evercises or anything. They look at it and say
THat is classical kung fu we don't do that.
Lo sifu is dead everyone has a different story and I know all this stuff that I cherish but
I got huge gaps. So what I am thinking about is simply retaining what I know and just
finding another sifu. I basically have ten traditonal forms no one recognizes and
thousands of techniques and exercises and a couple hundred short forms in the teaching
books. So when I found out the link between us and Choy Li Fut from my Si HIng Denny
who is from Hong Kong He had been researching for about ten years or so I bought all
the Doc Fai Wong tapes and read his books. I learned a lot and have a lot of new forms.
Somebody wrote me, a gentleman from wing Chun and suggested that Hung ga is a
surname for the Chin Family. I don't know. I am thinking of cross training and learning
Hung gar. Does anybody know of some Hung gar Sifu in Michigan or Canada who would
take a student with a letter of recomendation? I really wnat to continue and learn from a
master who believes that lineage, and history is important. If all these teachers for all
these years taught and learned and improved upon things why shouldn't we learn and
retain what they they so dilligently seeked? I don't want to give up but what is CHoy Li
Ho Fut Hung Ga? WHo am I?
paul clark
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Please keep any BS posts to the other thread ...
I think that sansoo style is a combination of many shaolin styles with choy lay fut being a small part of it. If the chan or chin siu hung in question was the same as the one of choy lay fut fame then there is a good possibility that there is a choy lay fut link. I feel the thing to remember is that the same chan siu hung was not a blood relitave of chan heung and that his family might have studied a different kind of martial art and had it passed down to jimmy woo. I have heard that chan siu hung has a relative living somewhere in L.A. It might be benificial to try to locate him.
I recall reading an article about the sansoo community had finally decided on chosing a grandmaster for the system since jimmy woo had passed away for such a long time.
I can't seem to find the article...but perhaps if someone knew what i was talking about can contact the current leader of the system?
What you learned was CLF as passed down by Chin Siu Dek or Jimmy Woo in the early days, so if you want to go down the traditional path then you should do CLF as your cross training. Sifu Paul Chan from Canada is your best bet, he has the same lineage as Sifu Chin who studied with Chan Siu-Hung, one of Chan Koon Pak's top disciples before he left China, Chan Siu Hung's son is still alive and lives in Toishan.
If what you said is true, then Sifu Chin have changed his teaching since Vietnam so as to reach a wider audience. The name Choi Li Ho Fut Hung is a little more difficult to explain, do you know when he changed it from Kung Fu San Soo? Hung is definitely not a surname for Chin Family.
Iron-silk,
The grandmastership was passed onto his daughter's son. Sadly his son was not interested in Kung Fu.
Monk-weed,
Chan Siu Hung do not have a relative living in LA, you are probably thinking of Chan Heung, whose great great grandson, Ng Fu-Heng lives and teaches in LA.
ExtraJoseph
Thanks for your information..
i am not clf or san soo...
i always learn a lot from ur posts...
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are there any pratitioner from very early days of jimmy woo teaching there more "traditional kung fu" (for lack of a better word :/ )..
Thank you extrajoseph, that's who it was.
Jimmy actually told people that to be a grandmaster, your grandchild has to be a black belt. From this statement, certain people have claimed to be "grandmasters". Using this definition, it's perfectly possible to have more than one grandmaster in a system.
By the way, for the person in michigan: www.sansoomichigan.com
In addition, I have read that the Hung character in TLHFH is not the same as the hung character in Hung gar
i haven't found the article yet but I think the leader of the system wasn't chosen by Jimmy but by the members of the style...i think...
Also grandmaster could mean an indivdual whom produced masters? But that is different from a leader?
Jimmy Woo's grandson, James King was chosen as the President of the International Kung Fu San Soo Association after his death. I am not sure if he is a certified Master or Grandmaster but he is the recognized leader of the IKFSSA group. You can join in their email group and find out a lot of information like first generation masters etc. Makes good reading if you have the time.Quote:
Originally posted by iron_silk
i haven't found the article yet but I think the leader of the system wasn't chosen by Jimmy but by the members of the style...i think...
Also grandmaster could mean an indivdual whom produced masters? But that is different from a leader?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IKFSSA-Email-group/
Brandeissansoo,
You are quite right, looking at the home page with the Chinese characters of the website you gave, the Hung character in CLHFH means hero (as in "ying hung") and not the same as the character Hung in Hung Ga.
There really isn't a leader of the style right now. JP is the president of the pretty much disbanded IKFSSA. He's an awesome guy, and I enjoy having him throw me about whenever I go home. He is IMO the person that could bring back the IKFSSA. Because of the actions of the IFKSSA in previous years, most schools aren't a part of it.
Brandeissansoo,Quote:
Originally posted by brandeissansoo
There really isn't a leader of the style right now. JP is the president of the pretty much disbanded IKFSSA. He's an awesome guy, and I enjoy having him throw me about whenever I go home. He is IMO the person that could bring back the IKFSSA. Because of the actions of the IFKSSA in previous years, most schools aren't a part of it.
Thank you for information, may I ask:
What actions were they that caused everyone to leave? What is the position of the Chan Siu Dek Hing Dai Wui within IFKSSA? And are there other San Soo groups apart from IKFSSA?
You don't have to answer if you think it is too political, we understand.
I'm not quite sure why everyone started to leave, because I was about 12 years old, perhaps sansoosifu could shed some light on the subject, since he is normally not afraid of going against the political grain :D
Hing Dai Wu is an association outside of the IKFSSA that was set up by Tom Akers. They made a temple in florida and have been practicing "traditional" kung fu training using plum flower posts (I think that's what they are called) wodden dummies, etc.(things that Jimmy didn't have in his studio, but according to HDW he trained using them).
As for other associations, I am only aware of two, the first being the Predator San Soo Association, which is a part of the IKFSSA (or at least they are friendly with Bernice Chin Woo and JP). Predator San Soo is a group made up of Airborne Rangers and members of SFOD-D.
The second is the Dap Ga KFSS association, created by Master Juan Meza. I don't have any more information about their relationships with the other associations.
Thank you, that was very generous of you to give us some insightful information.
http://www.kungfusansoostuff.com/vid...amesalt_1.html
looks like kempo
Perhaps you could post a link to some kempo videos, so I could compare. I have never seen kempo, so I couldn't offer any insight
extrajoseph,
Where does Ng Fu-Heng teach in Los Angeles?
Thanks,
J
The link for Ng Fu Hang's school is http://www.choyleefut.us/
To Paul Clark,
Where did you compile this ionformation from when you did the history search on Jimmy H. Woo? I have been doing research and have not come across any information that you have posted. I have read some of this information on Tom Akers and Ikes sites, no where else.
I am creating a history of Kung Fu San Soo and its' origin. Most of the information I have recieved was either by, first generation Master who knew Jimmy and Jimmy's family.
Jeff
San Soo
I was just wondering is san soo any good of a style what dose it have in it because I want to learn a martial art but my town sux san soo is the only thing they have. That and muay thai can anyone help me.
I believe it would depend on the quality of the class. Even arts like Karate and Tae Kwon Do can prove to make for good classes if the quality of instruction is there. I would say to check out both the San Soo and the MT class and go with whichever you feel you would get the most from.
Consider your reasons for taking the class. Are you taking the class because you want to get a dose of "the TMA Experience?" (i.e. cultural aspects, weapons, forms, etc.) I don't know how much or in what way those aspects apply to San Soo, but Chinese styles usually offer heaping helpings of that (I hear San Soo is pretty progressive as CMA goes.)
On the other hand, if you really want to learn for self-defense purposes or because you've got a hankering to fight competitively, I would lean toward the Muay Thai class. Not because I feel that San Soo would have any less to offer as far as fighting goes, but because Muay Thai would give you a good array of basics you can train in and gain proficiency in more quickly. Plus if you want to fight competitively you wouldn't have to worry about "temporarily dropping" groin kicks and other illegal blows from your training like you would in San Soo.
Hope that helps!:)
If you want a system that has techniques that are "too deadly" to be practiced hard against a fully resisting opponent, take San Soo.
If you want a functional standing striking system that also will get you in great shape, take Muay Thai.
Visit a class of each, and decide which seems to put out the most impressive product. One will probably stand out a lot more than the other :)
I have never heard of this system until I saw the school in Bedford, Texas. Visit their website, or google search the name and you should find the school. They have some information of the history of the style. Are you from Texas Ironhorse?
No I am not from texas but san soo seems like a good style to learn. There is also a tae kwon do school but the instructor sux his team hasnt won crap so I want to learn san soo a chinese guy teaches it. I would rather learn a kung fu style from a chinese guy instead of a pasty white guy lol. Then I am moving to san francisco next year and I am really interested in jeet kune do because of the pholosophys and the way it incorprets all types of styles into one so I can put some san soo into the fighting art. I think that would be kick ass thanx for everyones help.:) :)
i would say it would depend on the class and the instructor. i have been taking san soo for about 14 years. i also take judo and have taken MT for a couple of years. San Soo does use traditional chinese weapons and forms. MT is good art.:)
Thanx I will definetly check out the muay thai too. Is san soo as brutal as they say it is though?
Any art can be brutal if you choose it to be. By brutal, what do you mean? The majority of the first strikes are usually the nose, throat and groin. But of coarse it depends how you train also. I believe it depends on the practicioner.:)
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I would rather learn a kung fu style from a chinese guy instead of a pasty white guy lol.
By brutal I mean dose it have any grab and throws in it or killing tecneques you know stuff like that :confused:
Yes it has grab and throws. killing techneques......no. there are throws that are taught for your attacker to land on their head/neck area. which i guess can kill someone if they land had on concrete. or a solid strike to the throat collapsing the trachea might do some damage.Quote:
By brutal I mean dose it have any grab and throws in it or killing tecneques you know stuff like that
The san soo guy is chinese, that must mean he is automatically a better choice:rolleyes: :rolleyes:Quote:
I would rather learn a kung fu style from a chinese guy instead of a pasty white guy lol
Thats sweet my town sux I am going to learn san soo I start next class. If it licks ass then I am going to leave I guess thats the only way to see if its good or not. I cant wait untill I move to Okland CA so I can learn jeet kune do that **** is off the hook no whose with me on that?:) :cool:
Does anybody here have some info about this system ...
I saw some of kung fu san soo....its a applications system for sure for kickbutt
But the lineage is a little bit confused ....Does its a choy lay fut or maybe a lama pai lineage blend with some others stuff...the takedown look like shuai jiao...
the late gm woo teached for a long time in the USA.....This version of applied kung fu....I have no doubt about his skills ...
Steeve