There's still time if any people want to test what they do.
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There's still time if any people want to test what they do.
I hope some more Wing Chun people will compete since we have such a bad rep for fighting.
Thanks Phil!
This is the first I heard of this latest one. Are these posted earlier in advance somewhere so people from out of state can have time to plan for the trip?
What are chi sau / sticky hands rules if I may ask?
Chi Sao? Sticky hands? I thought this was a fight compitition.
ManupStandup Traditional Wuhu Fighting League
Free fighting rules
MUSU RULES:
All prospective fighters must submit the following information:
NAME
SCHOOL/STYLE
AGE
WEIGHT
HEIGHT
YRS. EXPERIENCE
and send via email to brotherlaoqiang@yahoo.com as soon as possible for consideration.
As a qualifier, all fighters will be required to perform a form/set from their style. Additionally, the fight judges will also score on authentic usage of the fighter's particular style in each round.
The center referee and the referee general have the authority to DQ any fighter at any time.
The center referee, the referee general, the fight doctor and EMT staff have the authority to stop the fight at anytime.
Lightweight - Over 130 lbs or 58.967 kgs to 135 lbs or 61.235 kgs
Middleweight Over 160 lbs or 72.575 kgs to 168 lbs or 76.204 kgs
Heavyweight Over 200 lbs or 90.719 kgs to unlimited
FREE FIGHTING:
To submit due to strikes or a lock a fighter must rapidly tap his open hand against any solid surface in view of the referee.
Corners:
Fighters will be designated as either blue or yellow by a colored sash. Each fighter is allowed 2 corner men (1st and assistant). If at any time either corner man steps onto the Lei Tai without express permission from the center referee or referee general their fighter will instantly be DQ.
Conduct: Fighters and corner men are expected to be professional, calm and sportsmanlike at all times. Fighters can receive fouls or become DQ anytime they, their corner men or anyone affiliated with them deviates from these expectations. The judges, center referee, referee general, promoters, the competing fighter and everyone in attendance are to be respected at all times. Fighters, corner men, coaches and teammates are to exemplify Wu De/Mo Duk (martial virtue) at all times.
Grappling: Grappling, throwing and joint locking are allowed. A 10 second count will be initiated once fighters begin grappling on their feet. If the fighters do not separate and neither fighter falls at the end of the count they will be separated and the round will continue. If both fighters fall to the floor and continue grappling a new 10 count will begin. (Fighters grapple for 4 seconds before Yellow throws Blue to the ground. Yellow follows Blue to the floor to pursue a lock. Referee begins new 10 count.) Joint locks may not be applied to a standing opponent. Submissions may occur from the floor through the execution of joint lock techniques, chokes (locking the fingers around the throat is not allowed) or successive strikes. The same legal striking areas and techniques apply to the floor. Fighters will be stood-up if there is no submission in 10 seconds.
SPARRING EQUIPMENT:
1. Mandatory safety equipment : Headgear (optional) mouthpiece , groin cup, shine guard (optional) footgear (optional) Mix martial arts gloves or open finger gloves 12 oz boxing gloves or optional. Note all gloves must weight 12 oz.
2. Scoring areas: Face, chest, stomach, thigh, and lower leg. No Knockouts! Beginners only side of the face is allow striking for scoring area. (No front of face.)
3. No contact area: front of face, spine, back of head, knees, groin, and neck. Contact to the front of face is only allowed in the intermediate and advanced sparring division.
4. Use of elbows and knees only to the front of the body, no joint locks, no choking, no head butt, no body slams.
5. Takedowns are allowed only in intermediate and advanced free fighting division.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ManupSta...16/yIk7OX07cFI
ManupStandup Traditional Wushu Fighting League
Free style Push Hand Competition Rules
(No Weight Class)
1. The free style push hands division is for men.
2. Competitors can wear a t-shirt, long pants and training shoes. No jewelry or watchers are allowed to wear doing a push hand match.
3. No sweeps, takedowns, joint locks or striking are allowed in beginner push hand division.
4. Intermediate & advanced push hands division sweeps and takedowns are allowed. No joint locks, striking, or body slams are not allowed.
5. Each match will be timed for three minutes. One minute rest before between rounds, with total 2 rounds.
6. Push Hands competitors will begin facing off with right hand and foot forward, right hand making contact to utilize sticking and listening energy. The Push hands judge will say begin and the match will initiate. 7. Winner will be determined by the best usage of push hands principles and how well they utilize the techniques of sticking, neutralizing, sinking, rooting and uprooting skills. Maintaining ward off strength and use of proper aligned strength when retreating to neutralize an attack or when issuing a counterattack.
7. 8. PENALTIES AND STOPPAGES: You can get Penalized or disqualified for Pushing or shoving with brute force! If you‘re caught using brute force with no technique, the ref can issue a warning. Keep getting caught not utilizing the push hand principles you’ll be Penalized or disqualified altogether from the match!
It's a little more than Chi Sao. ;)
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they are allowing some grappling. You have 10 seconds to pull something off on the ground.
Could your lack of upright fighting ability be any more transparent? Dont you think that it is time to give your bitterness towards WC a rest and just accept the fact that you are responsible for your lack of success in upright fighting?
Besides, 10 seconds is more than adequate time for you to blowout your shoulder and retire from competition.
Did you study WC for a period of time? You can do WC with boxing gloves, but it has to be modified. With mma gloves it allows the techniques to be expressed and used more similarly to the way that they are initially taught. The same is true for other arts, especially TCMA.
IMO, it's probably because sadly, most TMAs aren't very familiar with modern ground fighting. Those that are should be able to pull something off on someone unfamiliar to grappling in 10 seconds. I didn't make the rule but I've heard from the promoters that they want people to be able to use their arts against resisting opponents while standing.
There are grappling only events, and there is K1 with no grappling. So this is an event with "limited" grappling.
Hopefully, these TMAs will start learning to defend on the ground and maybe more time will be allowed on the ground.
My take is that since most TMAs don't fight at all that these events are at least a start for people getting used to full contact. (Excuse typos, just getting familiar with the iphone 4 keyboard)
No one is going to be able to pull any sub off in 10 seconds of ground time with a genuinely resisting opponent (unless they get very lucky).
And the rules also limit "stand up" grappling (clinch) to 10 seconds. This isn't consistent with "the promoters that they want people to be able to use their arts against resisting opponents while standing."
I think what the promoters really want is to keep the action mainly free-movement striking (kickboxing).
So limited as to make it inconsequential.Quote:
There are grappling only events, and there is K1 with no grappling. So this is an event with "limited" grappling.
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Hopefully, these TMAs will start learning to defend on the ground and maybe more time will be allowed on the ground.
My take is that since most TMAs don't fight at all that these events are at least a start for people getting used to full contact. (Excuse typos, just getting familiar with the iphone 4 keyboard)
Show me the videos where these throws were consequential. You can't. They are no more consequential in the ring than the gym.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDB8wk6P9g8
they are allowing no time for any grappling to happen, but probably just enough time for an injury to happen as someone trys something stupid, either give them enough time to grappl both standing and on the ground or just ban it its not rocket science if you dont want it to happen just ban it from the rules
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When I fought in the Fu Jow Pai full contact events in the 80's. You were allowed only 3 consecutive elbows, and knees. You could also do three stikes to an opponent on the ground.
So counting 1001, 1002, 1003, . . . . 1010, is not too bad. I'm not a grappler and I think grappling is important but many people get bored seeing two guys fighting on the ground. I remember when UFC people could stay in the ground forever. Didn't the UFC change that rule? I'm thinking it's because people would rather see a good knockout than two guys "grappling" for long periods. No offense to grapplers intended. :)
I see your point. It's not really not so much to do with people wanting to use karate chops and the like. The issues is the defense/blocking. Most TCMA systems (especially Southern) have blocking strategies and techniques similar to WC so for them to enter a competition with boxing gloves, they have to be taught to"Kickbox." What this usually boils down to is adjusting the defense to account for an inflexible wrist and inability to open the palms. Stance can be an issue but not necessarily.
One of the staples of TCMA is the pak sao. With gloves and wraps/tape, some of the ways that the pak can be used are lost. Also, it becomes harder to clear and to use lops and so on. The lop is used in a lot of systems outside of TCMA. It is pretty common in TKD for example.
I wasn't in the room when these decisions were made, but I would guess that in order to get better turn out on short notice, the less modification required the better. Plus traditionalist guys are always making a stink about how the gloves hinder their ability to properly express their techniques.
What you need to do is to go into the gym and kickbox three 2 minute rounds where the only acceptable result is a referee stoppage, Knock Out, or decision. Then, you will understand that their is a world of difference between YOUR normal gym sparring where you ask your partner to stop every time it looks to get too physical for you. The fact that you don't understand how punishment to your body causes you to lose strikes in a round is evidence that you haven't even had a serious sparring match before.
Hey T, when you have bone bruises on your skull (under the normal bruises) after sparring and experienced multiple flash knockouts during your gym sparring, I will concede.
Do you get cut and have to continue after a few minutes of direct pressure and ice or do you just call it a night?
Humble, go train at a good MMA school -- you haven't a clue as to how they train.
Whatever you have to tell yourself to maintain your delusions.
Here again, I have specific things that I can talk about that are clearly out of your realm of experience because you are a LARPER. You get hit hard and you go and sit down and that's who you are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ekugPKqFw
No offence the public likes seeing stand up fights not too much ground work that a no brainer, in Japan they appreciate the ground more. And hopefully you dont take offense when i say anyone with grappling experience will realise that 10 seconds is not enough time to do anything other than maybe get injured from a silly move someone is trying because of the time limit.
my point is 4oz gloves where delevoped to allow grappling, if you are not allowing grappling (and the 10 second rule does not allow any grappling) then why use them? why not use 8 or 10oz open hand mma gloves, they make them now and use them in sparring, not in comps as they stop grappling and make it very hard to clinch and strike or ground grapple, seeing as this comp doesnt want the strikers to do this why bother with them? They will provide better protection and still allow open hand strikes
its not that hard to pat down using boxing gloves, and CLF and lama guys do well in sanda with gloves, but i see your point, so my next question is why not use 8 or 10oz open hand MMA gloves, most lubs have these for sparring but not for comps as they make grappling very hard with the extra bulk..but seeing as this comp is allowing no real grappling why not use them i would have thought they would have been much safer
he is actually right, there is a world of difference between sparring and competing, going up against someone you dont know who is actually out to hurt or knock you out (or break a limb) is totally different from a hard sparring match, the intent is totally different as is its effects on you.
Is sparring very very useful, yes and its better than any other form of training, but it is not the same