Hua Quan- Questions Regarding Luo Han Shi Ba Shou and Ba Bu Lian Huan Quan
I learned from this forum that the forms below, Luo Han Shi Ba Shou (Luo Han 18 Hands) and Ba Bu Lian Huan Quan (Eight Step Linking Fist), were brought back into Shao Lin from the Hua Quan system. Supposedly, Cai Long Yun (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/magazi...hp?article=625) may have had a hand in creating/ re-choreographing these sets. I wanted to ask if anybody knows if there was ever a 3rd set that was similarly constructed. I've read a couple of articles citing that Luo Han Shi Ba Shou, Ba Bu Lian Huan Quan, and the Wind Demon Staff (Feng Mo Gun?) were part of the original Luo Han Quan. The Luo Han Shi Ba Shou sets now coming out of Shao Lin seemed to be a mixed bag, and there has never been a standard.
Some info about the Hua Quan sets that entered into Shaolin Luohan quan
Jiazi Quan was an ancient Muslim martial art from western China that also was the basis from which the Muslim Cha Quan and Hua Quan systems in Shandong were developed from. Mi Zhong Quan also has a similar Jiazi Quan training set. Jiazi Quan’was also known as “Dajia Quan” - Large Frame Boxing, as was called the oldest branch of Meihua Zhuang. All three of these now widespread in Shandong styles originally came
from Western China, suggesting that there may be a common source to the foundational material of the various Muslim
practiced Shandong martial art styles. Meihua Zhuang also shares much with Liuhe Men, another Chinese Muslim
practiced martial art.
Hua Quan 18 Louhan Hands - Luoyang Long Men Connection
(Famous Xin Yi Quan practitioner) Ma Xueli lived in Luoyang city, which was very close to the Shaolin temple. Luoyang is known for many martial
arts styles. One such style that existed there from before Ji Longfeng’s time is called the “Long Men” (龍門) –
Dragon’s Gate or School from Shanxi, which is now practiced in Luoyang within the “Zhong Hua Si Mian Ba Fang
Tong Bei Quan” system. Long Men ancestor Wang Jiang (with his four apprentices), practiced this art secretly after
coming to Jun Tun village (Luoyang), from Hongdong County (Shanxi Province) during the early Ming era (around
1300). Thus, long before the formation of Xinyi Quan.
Later, the next generation (consisting of Wang Leng Zi, Wang Jia Zi, and Wang Er Jia) at some point exchanged
some of their skills with boxers from Shandong Province. They practiced a Long Men set called “Long Men Quan”
(Dragon Gate Fist) that is also practiced with the same exact movements by the Cai family lineage of “Hua (華) Quan”
– Glorious Boxing style, from Shandong province. This set is also practiced at Shaolin under the name “Luohan Shiba
Shou” – Luohan 18 Hands. It is a two person set. In the two person version of this routine, side 1 can be done with a
staff, side 2 with a knife or sword. It features the animal postures seen in Shandong Hua Quan, such as Eagle, Monkey,
Leopard, Tiger, Dragon, and others.
The opening five movements that correspond to these animals are very similar to the Five Elements movements
of Pi Quan, Zhuan Quan, Beng Quan, Pao Quan, and Heng Quan, which are foundational to Xinyi Quan / Xingyi
Quan. The first four postures correspond faithfully. Originally in ancient times there were only four elements used,
much later Heng (earth) was added. In Xing Yi, Heng (earth) is supposed to be all the other elements together as one,
so it is at the center of the four elements. This is true of the fifth and sixth postures, if done successively they indeed
correspond to the movements of Heng (earth) Quan as well. The rest of the postures correspond well to Dragon, Tiger,
Horse, Hawk, Swallow, and other animal movements seen in Xinyi and Xingyi. Being that this set, originally from Hua
Quan of Shandong, has been practiced in Luoyang for a few hundred years before Ji Longfeng’s art reached Ma Xueli
of Luoyang, and was preserved by local Luoyang Tongbei Quan practitioners, and strikingly shares some important
attributes with the Henan and Shanxi Xinyi based martial arts, its calls for more serious research to explore any
possible root relationship they share, especially since these styles all converge within Luoyang.