Anderson silva looking to jump to heavyweight. :eek::eek:
couldn't find enough people in his division or the one above him to destroy... guess next logical is to jump to heavyweight.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mma/
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Anderson silva looking to jump to heavyweight. :eek::eek:
couldn't find enough people in his division or the one above him to destroy... guess next logical is to jump to heavyweight.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mma/
he walks round as a heavyweight and has the build for one, but light heavy might be a better bet for him.
The heavyweight division in the UFC is just too big, not in talent but it just covers too many people, 206 to 265 is just too big a gap its a joke. He would have real trouble with the heavier guys
agree... his weight, fighting lesnar ehh ...don't know he might be good but that's a lot of mass to deal with. if lesnar got on top just the amount of weight coming down on him(silva) would do most of the work for lesnar.
In terms of size disparity if he fought lesnar it would be like asking a lightweight to fight a light heavyweight, but its not just lesnar there are a few heavy's walking around in the 250 range. I think Andersons is about 220 when not training, when seriously training he would be even less, against someone who is not a can its just too much weight to give away.
The UFC should have a super heavy division, but they won't do it as it would only have lesnar, Sapp and a few other freaks in it.
its a pretty big jump.. but I like the idea. I still believe a open weight class would be a interesting thing to watch. I also prefer the tournament style of the IFL , pride and dream.. but thats just me. :D
I would honestly love to see Lesnar vrs Silva... but Silva better win..
A natural HW ( in the sport combat weight category sense) is someone that, in peak condition, is over the 220 mark.
That is not Silva.
Giving up 50lbs is HUGE at almost any level of competitive fighting, even more so when you get to the elite level.
nah i dont think he will have a hard time
The reason Roy went back to light heavyweight was coz of Tarver, the trash he was talking, and the history they had.
The reason he never took another trip to heavyweight because he was brutally destroyed in a second match with Tarver (when the first proved to be somewhat indecisive) and then was destroyed for a second time when fighting Glen Johnson a short time later. There was obviously unfinished business at light heavy so he had no reason to go back up.
didnt roy jones fights turn out to be set ups?
boxing is a dirty as hell sport so i dont trust any outcome there fights come to and its different game than mma
smaller guys have defeated much bigger opponents in mma countless times so anderson shouldnt have a hard time he has enough power and skill to do well against heavy weights
oh lyoto wants to make the jump up to heavy to fight brock
I know you are a little guy, from you pic at least, and you really wanna believe that and that's cool.
It doesn't change the fact that ANYONE that has fought full contact knows WHY there is a weight limit.
When tow fighters meet in a match, and skill level is relatively the same, guess what happens?
Of course there are exeptions, Mirco and Rodrigo taking out Sapp is an example.
Of course Sapp was just a side show and Mirco and Rodrigo where way over his head in terms of fighting ability.
Now, considering the low level of skill in the HW, compared to what Silva brings to the table, he will probably have a legit shot at the title, but unless the person holding the title at that time is a pud and his coaches suck tomatos, or the size difference will be minimal, Silva will have his hands full.
it is me and a poster on here who i met and sparred with me and said im over six foot and over 200 pounds on here after we sparred:D
it means it can be a problem if they land on top of you in say the mount however size is no gaurantee of strength therefore its no the most useful thing
take morio hihaonna for example hes a touch short of being a leprechaun and look how powerful he is:D im a foot taller than him and more than a hundred pounds heavier and i wouldnt like to fight him anytime soon:D
LOL !
Ah, I see, too funny.
I have met Master Higaonna and have had the chance to train with him back in the 90's.
Very cool dude and very nice man, hits like a mule too, of course he said the same thing about me, or at least that is what the interpreter said, LOL !
Maybe he was calling me a mule, or saw me naked...anyway, that is another story.
:D
yup freakishly strong man he is
Ueshiba was another guy that, supposedly, in his prime was like 5-1 and 160lbs !
He was reknown for his strength.
Yep, the creator of Aikido, O-Sensei.
um he was? knid of funny being that he invented an art based soley on miinimal force
but of course your being a sarcastic arse because you cant argue your point clearly
your delusioned enough to think size some how ads up to being useful in a fight:D
oh beleive me the feeling is more than mutual:D
well ruiz was a title holder
as ugly as his style is he's not really "run of the mill"
he can actually fight when he wants to
he got starched by Tua, but went 1-1-1 with a circa 2000 holyfield, took out rahman, golota, and lost 2 close fights with 7 foot Nikolay Valuev
Dempsey and Marciano were better examples
In the old boxing days anything above 175 really didn't matter
what they did to larger men (230+) while weighing in the 180s should be illegal.
Dempsey's build was comparable to Silva's actually
In Muay Thai you got Kaoklai and Saenchai routinely giving up ridiculous weight to fight - yeah Kaoklai's record isn't spotless, but he scored that KO over mighty mo so anything's possible.
In pure BJJ you've got guys like Marcello Garcia.
I'm sure every sport has examples of guys that fight at higher weights.
I would've liked to have seen Silva go for Rashad Evans before trying heavyweight.
Rashad's another guy who used to fight at heavyweight and that would've been an interesting fight. Silva vs Couture at heavy would also be something I'd like to see.
As touted as Brock Lesnar's size & strength are, Randy Couture did pretty well for being so old & undersized until catching that big right hand.
Watching Fedor fighting at 230 against guys in the 300s and dominating makes me wonder if the old boxing weight class idea wasn't completely crazy. I mean, at a certain point there's a limit to human potential. We're not ants, we don't lift weights proportional to our size. The weights guys under 200 put up in powerlifting aren't so much lower than the guys over 200.
Silva's long time training partner is Nogueira a prior UFC heavyweight champion, so I think he'd be a good measuring stick.
Anderson Silva ducking top competition at light heavyweight.
This is nothing new.
Too bad those heavyweights would wreck him as well.
its not so much the strength difference as the sheer size and weight you are being forced to try to move. and the added weight behind the punches yu are taking.
Fedor beat guys no where near his skill level, when skills are closely matched size matters.
Guys like lesnar are too big and too athletic. can you imagine BJ Penn fighting Rampage? that would be weight alomst the same difference as we are talking about here.
but as i said SIZE DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE STRONG
and any time a smaller person beats a bigger person theres allways an excuse its rediculous:D
speed power technique are all things that are important size does not guarantee any of this therefore it is not a needed thing
look for example when brock was still in pro wrestling kurt angle beat him at a actual wrestling match back stage and look at the size difference between the two
but of course its an exception to right lol
Reading comprehension please, we have both stated that size matters where skill levels are similar, with all due respect to Brock he is not an gold medal winner at the Olympics. He was at one time the best in America, Kurt was the best in the world, there is a huge difference there in skill and ability.:D
we can't agree that, generally, size is an advantage and that, if skills are comparable, the bigger guy generally wins. It's a fairly simple truth. Yes, Goju, sometimes small guys beat bigger guys, but that's the exception and not the rule.
I didn't wrestle until my junior year of high school and I was in the 189 lb weight class at the time. We had state champs at 112 and 118, and conference champs at 125 and 135. While I couldn't easily pin any of those guys, they couldn't work me either and I was a first year guy. Bottom line is that, as long as both folks are fit, size is an advantage.
I always hear little guys whining about this cr@p.
I let coaches convince me for years that I had no chance unless i shred a good 50+lbs from my normal walk around weight.
When i finally started throwing down with people who weighed even more than what I walk around at, I realized it wasn't half as bad as advertised.
Fedor outstrikes gigantic K1 champs & makes brazillian bjj black belts look amateurish and inept; he gets a lot of flak for his opposition but I think Semi, HMC, and even Zulu would shock some folks if they competed in the UFC.
Brock is a 4-1 hype job that's got his title shot after 2 legitimate victories. I can remember when Bob Sapp was the next big thing and we all know how that turned out...
BJ Penn fought Machida at heavyweight, a guy who'll probably destroy Rampage.
You are talking about the exceptions to the rule my freind, not the rule.
I competed in kyokushin when kyokushin was sans limited and when it was over 200 and under 200, both times I was in the 140-150 mark.
I fought guys that outweighed me by 100lbs at times and take more word for it the difference between 150 and 250 and 200 and 300 is HUGE, sometimes people forget that.
It never bugged me much because I was always smaller and trained with bigger, a few of my partners were:
5-11 195
6-4 240
6-3 280
6-1 230
6-1 280
5-8 210
I won some and I lost some, KO'd one guy that was 80lbs heavier than me in less than 2 min.
I have always trained with bigger and stronger, just because that was the way it was.
BUT, dude ! The average shot from a bigger guy was harder to take than the most powerful shot from a smaller guy !
It wasn't about whether I could take them out or hurt them, I have KO power in both hands and feet, just lucky that way, it was about being able to TAKE their shots !!
the hardest hitters i ever met were in the 150~160s
they had crazy acceleration/explosiveness and could hit me faster than i could see it, so it hurt more
one guy cracked our boxing coach (a light heavy) so hard, he fractured his face (cheekbone)
another guy ended up cutting down to the 130s~140s for amateur tournaments, 2 time golden gloves state champ, knocked out this 6'7 heavyweight in an exhibition
the other two guys were pro fighters who routinely whipped on heavyweights in training.
i've worked with gues that outweigh even me by significant amount, and that doesn't really hurt.
in boxing, one was pro, the other was an amateur champ; both were known for their power
worked with a large number of big men in muay thai & san shou as well.
you can see it coming & either get the heck out the way or brace for it.
speed kills, especially when coupled with power.
when tyson lost his speed, all of a sudden he looked extremely human - which is why they say he had such a short prime.
the smaller man nullifying a size difference even when both have considerable skill may not be the rule, but it's not as uncommon as you guys are making it out to be; especially when you get to the 185 and above weight classes where people jump up or down on a monthly basis.
not sure if you were saying there's a large difference between 200 and 300 or if you were saying that the difference between those two weights is smaller than the difference between 150 and 250. I can agree with the second statement. The first point is moot, because the 200 and 300lb guy are in the same weight class technically and don't really have any say, history doesn't seem to support this theory either. I'll give you 2 guesses as to which guy in this picture was known for his power, and which guy wasn't.
When it comes to anderson silva, who walks into the ring very close to 200lbs even on fights at 185; i think it's not going to be that huge a difference between him and your average heavyweight who fights around 230 with no cut.
Brock may be a bit large for him, but brock was running away from mir's standup, which is nowhere near the level of silva.
Arrrrrrrrgh!!! Am i speaking a language people do not understand
does power and strength matter yeeeeeeees yes yes yes!
But as i repeat myself size does not equal power!!!!!!! Power equals power!!!!!
:dsheeeeeeeeeeesh!!!!!!
if the skills are at the same lvel different factors come together at who wins
timing being one of them and speed etc etc
ive never heard of some one winning anything simply because they were bigger its silly
Fedor is a freak, and the K1 champs and BJJ black belts he fought were around his weight, I believe cro cop was about 10 pounds lighter and Nog only 10 pounds or so heavier. Apart from Silvia his big opponents have been no where near him skill wise (but then not many people are)
And Sapp before he made so much money in Japan that he stopped caring was a threat simply because of his size, remember how he clubbed Hoost around the ring in K1, or when he lifted up Nog and power bombed him. His technique was laughable yet his sheer size and athleticism really hurt people
Brock is a below average striker, with no submissions, and a very good wrestler (but there are lots of NCAA champs who have fought in the UFC before). The reason he is champ is because his size and athletic ability more than make up for the holes in his game.
Sapp beat the greatest living K! champion twice, was that due to superior technique and skill.. or because of his size?
Is Brock a better striker or a much better wrestler than Randy (who was an alternate for the Olympic squad)? No but he sure as hell was bigger
Did GSP dominate BJ just because of his ground skills, or did him being naturally bigger and stronger help?
Was Tim Silvia a great MMA fighter who beat monson and alovski and won the UFC title because of his great technique, or because he was a freak at close to 6 foot 9 and 265 pounds
I can go on and on but there are weight categories in fighting sports for a reason