"Cyborg" tests positive for steroids
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No surprise for many people. I don't buy her explanation that she got a "dietary supplement" to lose weight and didn't know what she was doing.
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"Cyborg" tests positive for steroids
http://mmajunkie.com/news/26854/csac...ic-steroid.mma
No surprise for many people. I don't buy her explanation that she got a "dietary supplement" to lose weight and didn't know what she was doing.
I've actually met her a few times. :cool:
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She is way too manly to not have long term steroid use in her past. If she stopped doing it, it was only because of testing. Look at pics of her as a young girl and you can see what I'm talking about. As far as I know she has never had any condition requiring long term hormone treatment.
You do NOT put in hours of training on a daily basis AND maintain peak condition AND not burn out at the elite level without "elite level performance enhancers".
To think other wise is very naive.
The use of performance/recovery enhancers in pro sports is a given and people just have to accept that fact.
It may even surprise some the frequent use of them even at the amateur and recreational levels.
100% correct!
Unfortunately, the mass public has no idea since they are all taught to believe the the ultra-ripped bodies in the magazines look like that all the time. They don't realize that most of them use chemicals to help them get that look for their photoshoot and then go back to a "smoother" look. Their are some people who have naturally low levels of bodyfat and their body carries it in a way that they have a ripped look to it without anything, but they are usually younger.
Indeed.
When I was competing I was super ripped, I was also 135 to 140 lbs due to the intensive training ( 3 hours a day, 5-6 days a week).
Look at GSP, he is ripped and he is also 170 lbs at 5'-10".
Any guy at 5-10 and 170 will be ripped.
But I digress.
Fact is that only the naive and those that want to "delude" the public claim that there is no use of "performance enhancers".
They are so readily available in any gym nowadays that it's ridiculous.
It may be a given, but it's still no good. I would rather it was all just above board. Greed and insecurity are the problems.
Its a hard call to make dude.
Knowing a few high level athletes in various sports I know the demands that are imposed on them to be at that level.
Either you walk away or you adapt.
The thing is that IF it was "above board" those that are winning NOW would still be the ones winning.
Performance enhancers is a misnomer, the correct term should be recovery enhancers because that is really the main thing that they do to "enhance" the performance.
They allow a athlete to train harder, longer and get to where he WOULD be anyway but quicker.
You do NOT get to be a world or Olympic champ because of them, but they do allow you to get there faster.
And that is really the issue.
Add to that the factor that if one guys does it the only way to "even the playing field" is for others to do it.
The issue I have is NOT the high level guys are doing it but that idiots at the recreational level are doing it and thinking that they can make it to the elite levels ( they can't).
You even have guys doing it just to look good and kick ass at the local, low-level competitive venues.
Sad really.
In the regard to those that do it and are doing it for recreational and image reasons then YES, I agree with you view 100%, it is totally about insecurities, inferiorty complexes and just being really dumb.
I should have been more clear on my other post. I didn't mean to suggest that every guy that has a ripped 6 pack used PE's. I was thinking more along the lines of the pro bodybuilders who have that ultra thin no water whatsoever look. That look is not achieved without drugs.
My roommate in college had a low level of bodyfat and also ran cross country, he always had a 6 pack, but couldn't gain weight to save his life when he quit running and wanted to lift weights.
An interesting documentary is "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" (you can stream it on Netflix) it talks about the use of steriods and steroid abuse and the hypocrisy that the public puts on the athletes to perform, but want to be in denial of how they do it.
Well said and I have not seen that doc but sounds like something worth seeing.
I really don't think that people in gyms understand how prevelant PE's are at the recreational level and how much they are used by models and celebrities.
Stallone is one of the most honest ones out there in that regard.
If you are earning 10 million dollars a film, using the best PEDs you can find just makes sense, if you are a pro level athlete looking to recover better so you can train harder and become a champion (sherk anyone) it can makes sense, to think taking dodgy PEDs sold out of your gym backroom will make you the next pro UFC champ IS retarted
And to be honest offer me a £10 million contract and tell me I need to take PEDs id say yes, which baseball blayer was it that started them all off taking steroids and said hey I have a full time doctor to look after me, the best PEDS in the world and it helped me earn £20million or so, what’s wrong or dangerous about that?
As for the widespread use of PEDS in MMA, well in a sport where you need to train at least 5 days a week and probably multiple sessions each day to get good at 3 different disciplines as well as work conditioning and strength, who the feck honestly thinks you can do that without either freaky genes or PEDS
Well you and I have always agreed on this issue lol
I think the other thing people don’t realise is how in contact sports PEDs are actually needed by some people whose careers might otherways be finished and the research some athletes do in order to understand them.
I know of one pro level MMA guy who spent months trying to recovery from a shoulder injury who became so intimate with PEDS and how they effected the body you could have sworn he was a doctor, he never used them in the end but the temptation for pro level guys to use them to recover from the injuries they come to have is huge
People come up with the sports, make bigger and bigger demands on the athletes who compete them complain about HOW they get to the end point the fans demand……retatred
As for PEDs being taken by people wanting to look like their idol, well how stupid must you be to willingly take all the risks of something for non or the rewards?
We are in a very sad state when we abuse ourselves long term for immediate gains. Whether it comes from internal or external pressures it's still an unhealthy attitude IMO and goes against the very notion of sportsmanship.
So yeah, some pro is loosing it and they are afraid of loosing face, paper, whatever and they go juice. Not cool. I feel sorry for these people, in a way.
As far as recreational users. lol. whatever. They are just as guilty without the financial pressure. That makes them even more weak, IMO.
Steroids are a very serious problem and are just a small sliver of a much larger issue of north amerian systemic pharma-abuse. We are taught from day one to take medicine to feel better. And that's cool, but most people don't have physical fitness drilled into them quite as well. That's why we have a nation with a large chunk of very unhealthy citizens on the pain killer maintenance program. And don't even get me started on the self perpetuating pharmasuetical/psychological industry. 10% applicable, 90% cash grab. Uggh. No wonder kids grow up, get insecure and juice up just to be able to compete at a high level. Everyone else is doing it, what choice do they have, right?
Even quality physician supervised PED's are getting way out of hand. Alot of the blame is on the physicians and therapists. Sure an M.S. patient could use a boost to help them walk or whatever, but a well tuned athlete is far better off in the long run to take a more natural approach. But even then, PED's aren't evil or anything. PED use is ok sometimes, but PED abuse is a huge problem for pro's and wannabees alike.
Well let's just see how all these well tuned machines are feeling at 65, if they get that far. A few will be tip top, but most will be hurting wrecks. If you value $ over health then by all means. And I'm sure there's a healthy balance between the two, but most people miss the mark IMO. We'll see, I guess. We're already starting to see the ravages of athletes from the 70's and 80's. Like the whole concussion argument. Not good man.
Well...the issue of "everyone else is doing it what choice do I have" is a very REAL one for ANYONE that wants to compete at the highest levels.
Lets be clear about soemthing:
High level spots competition has very little to do with "health) ( although of course every athelete wants to be healthy) and very little to do with longevity AFTER the sport ( and more to do with longevity withing the sport).
Pro athletes are jacked up, in EVERY sport ( if not on PE then on pain killers of some sorts).
That this type of mentality is filtering down to low level and even recreational sports is logical since those area are filled with "failed superstars" and with "wannabe superstars".
Yeah I know. It's very disfunctional and very sad. It's unfortunate that there's nowhere for the real deal to compete and make real paper. So few people can do it without the help. I imagine a few do, but how many really? not that many.
Peer pressure is a b1tch, no doubt. A hard fact of life. But it's still a weakness. I know alot of juicers. It's too bad, it changes the way they think. It's really sad. I have personally never seen anyone get back what they lost from the use. Long term loss for temporary gains. Seems like a common strand in the fabric of life, doesn't it!?!? And maybe it makes sense financially to a very small minority, but that mentality filters down to weaker minds who will never see any real monetary gains from juicing. Pain killers too. Dope up and push thru the pain, that's GENIUS:rolleyes: How many guys ruin what's left of a limb or whatever for "just one more season". Too many pro's missed the lesson on graceful exits. Of course it wouldn't be fair to just lump everyone into one pile. Everyone has their reasons. But generally, essentially, the story is pretty much always the same.
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CRIS CYBORG
SIGNS MULTI-FIGHT DEAL WITH
INVICTA FIGHTING CHAMPIONSHIPS
POUND-FOR-POUND SENSATION TO FACE
SUBMISSION ACE EDIANE GOMES AT INVICTA FC 5
AT AMERISTAR CASINO HOTEL KANSAS CITY APRIL 5
WINNER FACES NO. 1 RANKED MARLOES COENEN
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (February 15, 2013) –Pound-for-pound great and devastating featherweight (145 pounds) KO artist Cris Cyborg (10-1, 1 NC) of Curitiba, Brazil has signed a multi-fight agreement with women’s world championship Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) promotion Invicta Fighting Championships, it was announced tonight on “Inside MMA” on AXS TV.
Cyborg will make her Invicta FC debut against streaking submission ace and Unified Women’s Professional MMA Rankings world No. 2 featherweight Ediane “India” Gomes (10-2) of Coconut Creek, Fla. via Sao Paulo, Brazil at the promotion’s highly-anticipated, world championship doubleheader event at Ameristar Casino Hotel Kansas City on Friday, April 5.
The winner of the matchup between Cyborg and Gomes will square off with world No. 1 ranked featherweight superstar Marloes Coenen at Invicta FC 6, on a date to be announced.
Gomes’ original Invicta FC 5 opponent, Julia “The Jewel” Budd (4-2) of Port Moody BC, Canada, will now face rising star Fiona Muxlow (6-2) of Townsville, Queensland Australia on the April 5 card.
“We are thrilled to welcome Cris Cyborg, arguably the top pound-for-pound female fighter in the world, to our rapidly growing roster of world-class athletes,” said Invicta FC President Shannon Knapp. “Cris’ incredible performances in front of national TV audiences over the last few years have helped put women’s MMA on the radar of the masses and paved the way for others to establish themselves in the sport.”
The 27-year-old Cyborg is universally recognized as the most devastating striker in the women’s field of MMA fighters, pulverizing her way to 8 (T)KO victories since making her pro debut in 2005.
Cyborg took her career to new heights in a main event showdown with superstar rival Gina Carano on Aug. 15, 2009, quickly overwhelming and stopping Carano with a barrage of punches in the first round (4:59) of their meeting to become the first-ever Strikeforce women’s world champion in history. The long-awaited fight set a new viewership record for MMA on premium cable channel SHOWTIME.
“I am excited to finally get back in the cage and to have the opportunity to fight for Invicta Fighting Championships, which has shown a tremendous amount of commitment to furthering the growth of women’s MMA,” said Cyborg. “I will be ready on April 5 for Ediane and I plan to dominate my competition as I’ve done in the past.”
Amongst the other top flight opponents Cyborg has conquered during her reign of terror are submission wizards Coenen, Shayna Baszler and Hitomi Akano.
Tickets for Invicta FC 5: Penne vs. Waterson go on sale soon.
In the main event, reigning Invicta FC Atomweight (105 pounds) Champion Jessica Penne (10-1, 1 NC) of Huntington Beach, Calif. will defend her crown against superstar Michelle “The Karate Hottie” Waterson (10-3) of Albuquerque, N.M. and, in the co-main event and first-ever Invicta FC flyweight (125 pounds) title fight, submission ace Vanessa Porto (15-5) of Sao Paulo, Brazil will square off with red-hot star Barb Honchak (7-2) of Bettendorf, Iowa.
About Invicta Fighting Championships:
Invicta Fighting Championships (www.invictafc.com) is a world championship Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) fight series dedicated to providing female athletes with a major platform to hone their skills on a consistent basis. Founded in 2012 by longtime MMA executive Shannon Knapp and sports aficionado Janet Martin, Invicta is committed to pioneering the future growth of women’s MMA by promoting the best possible matchups between female competitors and identifying and developing future superstars of the sport.
I could be wrong, but I just can't see her being as good without the juice. I never really saw her as a technical genius or anything. She more or less walked through people. Not much finesse there at all.
A few years ago I read an interesting report (will try and see if I can find it again).
Basicly the conclussion was that 65% of the top athletes they had researched on would willingly take a drug, garanteed to make them win the olympics but with the side effect they would die within 10 years after.
this is one of the reasons i dont have a passion for mma. i like to watch it, i like its concept, but its very cold to me, i feel it lacks humanity.
PEDs doesnt just build muscle, it also harden your hands and body. to me the journey of training is the most important. if someone skips that journey, they are worthless.
If everybody cheats, then let them and just don't call it "fair sport" anymore.
Call it whatever you want, but don't let people have the impression that these people are doing anything natural or beneficial. Because they aren't, they are in essence cheating and are not reflecting the ability of a human.
I think it's rife in almost all professional "sport" now. It has effectively ruined many sports because the accurate and true reflection of human capability isn't there when people are constantly and consistently cheating by using drugs to do something they would not be able to do otherwise.
Is it any difference than the old timers using herbal medicines and animal bones to harden the hands and body and accelerate healing? Was that cheating as well?
PEDs are mainly used to help recovery between training sessions and most importantly help recovery from the injuries they sustain.
Its not like you take them and boom you are a big muscled MMA star you still need to put te training in
Guys like sean sherk were training 6 days a week, twice a day working on striking, wrestling, submissions S and C etc, its nuts to think most of them aren't taking anything to be honest
They all want an edge be it creatine, beta alunine, extra protein, use of high altitude chambers, blood doping or PEDS, the only difference is some things are on the banned list and some aren’t, and how that list was arrived at and why things were banned is a strange process
That is true. I just saw a good documentary arguing for the use of steroids. Pretty interesting. The guy brings up students routinely taking Adderall as academic enhancement drugs and such.
Lots of low level Pro fighters takes steroids as there's less or zero testing there. Many don't even make more than a few hundred dollars per fight. But it's tough to keep losing.
Still relevant?
I would love to see an MMA circuit where everyone was on steroids. Just imagine how awesome that would be. ;)Quote:
Despite win, Cyborg still at risk in Invicta
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Cyborg SantosDave Mandel/Sherdog.comHow long before Cristiane Santos grows bored -- or, even worse, loses -- while with Invicta FC?
Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos needed to accomplish two things on Friday at Invicta FC: defeat Fiona Muxlow and look like a reasonable facsimile of her old self while doing it.
Not necessarily in that order. At least not in terms of degree of difficulty.
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The victory was vital, I suppose, but it was also never really in doubt. In practice, the fight turned out to be as lopsided as it looked on paper, which is to say the win was so one-sided that it was almost completely hollow for the former Strikeforce women’s featherweight champion.
Santos dropped Muxlow with her first punch, a straight right that put the replacement fighter, who took the bout on 17 days’ notice, skittering into the frenzied survival mode we so commonly see in Santos' opponents. The rest was essentially cleanup. It took referee John McCarthy 3 minutes, 46 seconds to decide he’d seen enough, but each tick of the clock after that initial salvo felt more gratuitous than the previous. By the time the end came for Muxlow, she was backed up against the cage accepting a series of increasingly inevitable knees and punches and the overriding feeling that swept over us all when Big John stepped in was one of relief for her.
For Santos, we felt only a vague sense of confirmation. Yep, she’s still Cyborg.
Proving that Santos is still the most bloodcurdling figure in women’s MMA was the really essential thing here, because, after nearly 16 months of inactivity owed to a yearlong suspension for a positive steroid test, there were questions about whether she would show up in Kansas City looking as ripped, as relentless and altogether frightening as before. More to the point, because Cyborg still being leaps and bounds ahead of the competition is an integral part of manager Tito Ortiz’s plan to run the longest of long bombs on the UFC.
When Santos and Ortiz very publicly balked at the chance to cut to 135 pounds for an immediate shot at Ronda Rousey’s bantamweight title back in February, instead opting for a much slower burn in Invicta, it prompted copious industry-wide head-scratching. One of those heads belonged to UFC President Dana White, who alternated between describing the Santos-Ortiz negotiating style as “wacky” and “goofy” and then proclaimed Cyborg “pretty much irrelevant” when talks finally appeared to fall apart for good.
Ortiz claims Santos needs a multifight run in Invicta to gradually shed the pounds necessary to safely make the cut to 135. Maybe that’s true, but the perils of this route are obvious. What if something goes wrong, we all asked when the deal was announced. What if she emerges in the Invicta cage looking like something less than the terrifying knockout artist who cut a swath through women’s MMA during seven fights from 2008-11? What if she -- choke, sputter, gasp -- loses?
"She ain't gonna lose …," an ever-confident Ortiz told MMAJunkie.com's Ben Fowlkes when he put voice to these concerns at the time. "You ever sparred with Cris? You ever tried to wrestle with her? Ever watched her wrestle, watched her spar? Have you ever watched her fight?"
Yeah, well, point taken. Never did Ortiz’s long-term plan for Santos’ career feel like less of a gamble than while we were watching her brutalize Muxlow. Granted, the 35-year-old Australian’s prospects were doomed from the moment she agreed to sub in for the injured Ediane Gomes last month, but it must have been reassuring for Ortiz & Co. to get proof that Cyborg can still deal with an overmatched opponent with the kind of extreme prejudice we saw from her against the likes of Jan Finney and Hiroko Yamanaka near the end of her Strikeforce run.
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Santos/CoenenEsther Lin/Getty ImagesA rematch with Marloes Coenen, facing, should shed more light on where Cristiane Santos stands in her return to the cage.
While not a particularly instructive affair, we’re now told the victory sets Santos up for an Invicta 145-pound title bout with Marloes Coenen later this year. Coenen will no doubt be a far more dangerous opponent, albeit one Santos already defeated back in January 2010 and one who had been competing at bantamweight prior to debuting in Invicta. If Cyborg wins that, she’ll have a shiny new belt to match Rousey’s, and it’ll start to feel more and more like Ortiz’s gamble might just pay off after all, giving Santos time to drop the weight while only stoking the fires of interest in a Rousey bout.
Still, let’s not kid ourselves here. Santos and Ortiz are taking tremendous risks each time Santos steps into the Invicta cage. They are still involved in the kind of clunky, long-range scheme that very seldom pays off in a sport this unpredictable.
If you strip away the veneer of dominance and the fearsome power, Cyborg has exactly one thing going for her right now: There are only two real stars in the landscape of female MMA, and, as of this weekend, she’s still one of them. Rousey and the UFC need her (and by extension, Ortiz) as much as the fighter and manager need the fight promotion and its golden girl. Rousey versus Santos is the one truly marketable superfight in women’s fighting at the moment, and no matter how big the honchos at the UFC talk, they’ll still be interested in it if and when Santos decides she’s ready.
But that delicate balance of power evaporates immediately should Cyborg make a misstep in Invicta. All it takes is one lucky punch or a momentary mental lapse on the ground and, suddenly, she’s not the perfect foil for Rousey’s good looks and slick submission game anymore. Suddenly, she’s just a former champion with a positive steroid test and a reputation for difficult negotiations.
If we’ve learned anything from MMA, it’s that the thing that “ain’t gonna” happen, often does, and, afterward, the people who wind up on the short end wish they’d grabbed the brass ring when they had the chance -- instead of putting it off for another day.
I would love to see an MMA circuit where everyone was on steroids. Just imagine how awesome that would be.
You have. Watch the old UFC tapes, start with Severn era through Kerr and Colman and up to I would guess 2009 or so.
Maybe I should watch more PRIDE FC. Honestly, I've only checked out highlights from that league.
cyborg should fight that tranny
OK, bro, with a comment like that, you can be the lipstick lesbian forum mod, if we ever launch such a forum. :p
HELL YA!!!! I'll hold you to that until the end days.
Whaddya mean NSFW? These are safe. Tame really...
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New Cris Cyborg photo shoot – NSFW
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Former Strikeforce women’s featherweight champion and the current Invicta FC World featherweight champion Cris “Cyborg” Justino did a photo shoot in Las Vegas, under the direction of Larissa Almeida Reis for her HardCoreReis brand and it unlike any that the champ has ever done.
Reis, 35, is a Brazilian IFBB professional figure competitor, fitness model, actress, and owner of a restaurant, Protein House restaurant, in Las Vegas.
“Larissa is my friend, and for some years I have always admired her work as an athlete and model,” explained Cris in her blog. “She has many fans around the world, I feel very privileged to be representing one of your Hardcoreis brands. Not much my thing do this kind of photos but I was very happy with the result.”
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Generally not crazy about her 'roided look, but those pix aren't that bad
Thank you Ching sifu!