Chinese MA + Western Sport Fencing
Soon ill start doing Xing Yi Quan and speaking to the dude he said weapons will only be taught later on, since there is enfasis on empty handed fighting.
So i thought of maybe doing Fencing to learn some basic weapon fighting skills together with whatever might come in the package, be it better reflexes, fitness or whatever. And plus it seems to be fun to do.
So basicly...
1) Anyone out there does/did CMA + Fencing
2) What do you might see as plus/cons to this mix
(Mods dont move this cos its CMA related :p)
Fists of Fury......meets the 3 Musketeers
Hi Xebsball
You know what, I have read that Bruce Lee had also dabbled in Western-style fencing.....probably learning it from his elder brother...............So, what you are intending to do is probably approved by the good old master himself :D
Presumption being the mother...
why do people make so mant presumptions here? It is not an age old Chinese tale of greatness, it happen in New York during the Seventies, and my teacher was standing there watching it amongst the other 200 spectators present. Its even on video too.
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Xebs - I've been a Fencer for about 6 years
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picket, or chain link?
Getting more in detail since my previous post i didnt have much time...
Hey this is probably my 2nd most popular thread ever haha :D
-It would be also interesting if any of you guys happen to do a internal style tell me if doing such external could hold back my progress on internal.
-So Gene, are you what they call a "Mestre D'Armas"?
-There is no kendo in my area, and also im the kind of guy that doesnt like doing the kiai.
-Repulsive, my idea is that since ill only be able to train Xing Yi one time a week (i gotta travel 3 hours), it will really take a great deal of time until i can get to the weapons, plus the fact that the school is pointed towards empty hand fighting. So with the short time avalible i think it would be hard to be able to do all the drills/sparring of weapons since so much time is spent on empty hands.
Also i dont intend to start both right away, that wouldnt be wise. I want to learn the very basics of Xing Yi before getting to fence.
A interesting question:
-What about using the principles/forces of internal (assuming i learn them) in fencing?
Re: Getting more in detail since my previous post i didnt have much time...
Xebsball:
-It would be also interesting if any of you guys happen to do a internal style tell me if doing such external could hold back my progress on internal.
Never done much internal stuff. You will develop explosive power with weapons in Fencing. Lunges and Fleche attacks have to be fast and furious to work.
-There is no kendo in my area, and also im the kind of guy that doesnt like doing the kiai.
Me nether. Yelling is not my thing. I take tow yell-less arts.
-my idea is that since ill only be able to train Xing Yi one time a week (i gotta travel 3 hours), it will really take a great deal of time until i can get to the weapons, plus the fact that the school is pointed towards empty hand fighting. So with the short time avalible i think it would be hard to be able to do all the drills/sparring of weapons since so much time is spent on empty hands.Also i dont intend to start both right away, that wouldnt be wise. I want to learn the very basics of Xing Yi before getting to fence.
Fencing is Superior! (ala Realek). lol , j/k.
A interesting question:
-What about using the principles/forces of internal (assuming i learn them) in fencing?
Jeez, I don't know about this, but I KNOW for a fact, that the longer you fence, the more you get a feel for the people you sparr. So you can easily pick out the holes in a person's defence with a look when you get pretty good. You can spot bad footwork , or holes in the gaurd , and from there you can lay your plans. . . . It's hard for me to really tell you , since I've been a fencer since 10 or 9. European weapons are home for me :)
Julien :
"hmmmm... everyone that i have talked to before has hated fencing with epees. something about using a car antenna for a sword isn't as appealing as a nice, luxurious rapier"
For some reason, everyone fixates on Foil , there are 3 big weapons! There is Foil, then Saber , then Epee! The Epee is actually much heavier than the other two, and you can get quite hurt if you don't know how to use it correctly! A few months ago we had someone with two broken ribs.
"p.s. (ya, i don't like epees too... i find that fencing with epees isn't as much skill as chance... u watch the olympics and the duels only last about 1 second. just a bunch of poking and then a scream of frustration. gambling... i could be wrong but i see this as another reason people don't like epee fencing.)"
Wow, you are very stupid. Epee is the highest level of Fencing, it is no longer a pracitce weapon at that point, one hit to any part of the body, and you're out.
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What do you get when a guy learns CMA and Western Fencing ?? A really BAD actor....
To Xebsball:
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Thomas Chen
Of Course try Fencing!!!!
I had the pleasure of fencing for over a decade- although saber is my preffered weapon- foil gives you excellent point control and epee helps ones focus and patience-
I've also tried a variety of martial arts- kendo, kumdo, arnis, kali, jiu-jitsu, judo, hapkido, tae kwon do, sambo, -just to try- but i've been practicing kung fu for about 7 years-
I've placed 1st or 2nd in about 12 weapon sparring events at kung fu tournaments- and to be honest - i'm not that good at either fencing or kung fu- it's my hobby (that i take seriously)-
I found that some current kung fu weapon practioners are more theory than application- if you win a forms division it doesnt mean that you will automatically win an actual combat situation.
how does a boxer handle a grappler? a kicker handle a boxer?
the way to find out is to try.....and western fencing is a safe way to experience weapon conact.
think about trying to hit a golf ball or baseball by only practicing you swing not actually ever hitting the ball!!