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This week I had to explain to my 5 year old what happened as he's suddenly become aware of it.
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This week I had to explain to my 5 year old what happened as he's suddenly become aware of it.
That's harsh.Quote:
Originally posted by rogue
This week I had to explain to my 5 year old what happened as he's suddenly become aware of it.
I think that no matter what any of you do, the main thing is to remember.
"It is the doom of men that they forget."
(Excalibur)
Stay safe all.
hmm... class started at 7:30 i think
I woke up around 9 something (yeah i did skip class :D), took a **** and turned on the tv while drinking something (pepsi maybe), while changing channels i saw this building with smoke and thought, heh a bomb must have been. A little later the second tower was hit.
What was harsh was when my kid got out of bed came downstairs and saw the pictures of the people jumping out of the windows. That was tough to explain.
How did you explain it?
Not very well. I don't think I did. For the rest I kept it simple and just called the terrorists bad guys. He says that his friends and him have talked about it at school so I guess they're all pretty aware of what happened and at an age to ask questions. Nobody said fatherhood would be easy.
Definitely a tough call.
A friend of mine has two little kids. A few months ago she heard all this laughter and racket and went upstairs to see what was up. Her kids had made big lego "towers" and were stoving their model aeroplanes into them, smashing lego bricks across the room and wrecking the planes and laughing their arses off.
What are you supposed to do?
:( :confused:
Trying to forget, notice where I live.
Man that sux Sepent, I'd feel like guano if my kids did that. Did they try to explain 9/11 to the kids after that?
I explained to my oldest what happened last year and he did OK with the information. So far the youngest is doing OK, we went through and looked at the pictures in some magazines I had of what happened. No nightmares or anything, just looked, got serious and a little sad and asked if we got the bad guys.
Speak of the devil, got to put the little fella back in bed. One of the perks of being a dad. :)
Yeah, she had a long talk with them and explained that it was bad guys in the planes and that they were hurting innocent people and wrecking lives and happiness and it's not something the kids should be play-acting. It was quite cool actually, cos she then suggested that they play-act being firemen and policemen and pretend to save people from the bad guys and be heroes instead of pretending to be the bad guys.
Now she's crapping herself because her little boy wants to be a fireman now! LOL! He's only 7 (or is it 6? Can't remember) so nothing to worry about yet.
She's a great mum. Shame the prick that calls himself their dad isn't half the parent she is, but that's another story.
Well, this 9/11 I'm going to try to actually celebrate on my birthday. I was just glad to get home last year. I am really not looking forward to my birthday ever again.
Nothing wrong with being a fireman. The last 3 generations of my family have been Boston firemen and none of gotten hurt on the job...
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What are you all doing to remember 9/11 1 year later?
Killing some american tourists and a round of mini-golf? Don't worry, only jesting :D nah but I'll probebly just have a regular day, nothing special since it did not affect me or any that I know of. Just glad it didn't happen here. Take care all!
peace
I was thinking of going to visit the Shanksville PA crash site which is twenty minutes north of my house.
I am going to work as usual. I will be wearing a Star of David Pendant- (I am a Kahanist Gentile), and an American Flag Belt Buckle. I will clock the first diaper head that gives me a dirty look.
Hi Flattop! My father used to volunteer security for Kahane.
I won't do anything special because it's just one more day since the attacks/tragedy happened.
I am going to hand out happy 9/11 greeting cards to all my friends up here in Canada and support my government by joining the army when we decide to destroy America.
Outrageously controversial, but I had to laugh. You have to take it in the spirit of comedy. And before any yanks jump on their high horse, think of all the jokes you've told about other nations tragedies first. Comedy is what stops us all going mad. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by tri2bmt
I am going to hand out happy 9/11 greeting cards to all my friends up here in Canada and support my government by joining the army when we decide to destroy America.
How long, do you think, till Hallmark tries to institute 9/11 Day?
I don't know what I'll be doing.
I can remember it like it was yesterday. I'd jsut finished a long training session, got home at around midnight, turned on the TV and there was one of the towers in flames. I immediately thought something was very wrong. Then the next plane hit. I went numb. No kidding. I couldn't believe it.
:(
I'll pray for the world to get its head out of its ass! A poll was done on CNN recently that asked representative populations of folks in Europe if they felt American Foreign Policy contributed to the 9/11 tragedy. I think the majority of people polled in various countries (Britain, Germany, Italy, France, etc.) felt that our "representative" government (what a joke term), was to blame in large part. I tend to agree. From brokering deals with sociopaths like Sadaam and Osama, to relying on dead plants and animals for fuel (possible death cult connection, haha), we were kind of asking for it.
There were signs for years. Americans are uninformed (on purpose) and lack any real power to do anything about anything political. Too bad other criminal types (besides our politicians and big business types) don't feel this way, and innocent people have to suffer for the sake of $$$ and political/business agendas.
So in the immortal words of Laurence Fishburn, star of Spike Lee's "School Daze"------ "WAKE UP!!!!"
Oh and to those that know.... I G O D D A M N told you so!!!
I will spend 9/11 by remembering the victims of ANY conflict wordwide and during History.
And ask from forgiveness for all the innocent that were killed and will be killed in the future in legitimate warfare or not.
If you want the killing to stop than everybody has to make their bit to erase racism, hate, discrimination and so on.
This can be done on a personal level as well a Goverment level by choosing wisely who you vote for.
Peace
Nice post ShadowDragon.
I just saw a special on HBO about the 1972 Munich terrorist murders of the Israeli athletes. I never saw a more bungled operation (by the Germans) in my life. Then the Germans and Palestinians staged a fake hijacking to let the surviving terrorists escape to Libya. So as to avoid retribution and further terrorism within German borders. What Fu(kers. They also released the remains of the dead terrorists to Lebanon where they received a hero's welcome. The strategy of appeasement and negotiation with terrorists is why terrorism works and will continue until people wake up. I was pleased to see that 2 out of 3 of the remaining Munich terrorist were assasinated by secret Israeli operations, as well as 10 people involved in the planning.
I definitely thought that "America" was collectively sleeping leading up to 9/11, and got it's hand slapped for it.
And yes, "we" made Saddam Hussein, and "we" made Osama. And "we" gave 43 million dollars to the Taliban early in 2001.
Want to shoot me? Here, let me buy your bullets.
and also hopeing that not another tragedy like that one will repeat itself. Seems like folks are thinking that it is going to happen again aon the same day and that the statue of liberty will be targeted or something of that nature. Of course they said that when new years came and 4th of july and nothing happened.
MRTWS
And remember the heros that died in Penn and probably DC.
And honor those who've since woken up to the fact that their safety is their responsibility, and had the courage to act to stop further acts of terrorism.
I'll give respect and honor to those emergency responders and volunteers who risked, and many gave, their lives and health to help others.
I'm going to keep calling 9-11 an atrocity, not a tragedy.
I'm not going to apologise or blame us for the demented acts of these filth- that kind of cowardace encourages these acts.
I'm going to remember that the vast majority of the Muslim world supported and rejoiced in/celebrated over the attack on 9-11, but also that some were genuinely saddened and outraged.
I'm going to ignor the morons who like to make jokes about it and say we deserve what we got, as they only show their own lack of morality, respect, and honor.
But mostly, I'm going to go about business as usual and prove that a few fanatics that don't know how to properly wear a diaper can't bring a free society to it's knees with their envy, hatred, fanaticism, or willingness to die for the promise of a few virgins.
I will remember, but I have a request too:
IF any of you decide to buy american flags and put them on your cars(kind of like what happened nearly a year ago) please, PLEASE, PLEASE: WHen the flags get all ratty and shredded, TAKE THE **** THINGS OFF! I hate seeing people who think they are being patriotic(and perhaps they are in their minds)driving around with a flag on their car that just looks like it got trampled on in a palestinian demonstration!
Either take the flag off and get a new one, or take it off and don't get a new one. Either way, it displays a marked ignorance to leave it hanging there.
(takes a deep breath as his frustration leaves his body and takes up residence on the KUNG FU FORUM).
Peace.:)
Amen greyseal. That's why I bought a red, white and blue Calvin peeing on bin Laden's name. It's still in remarkable shape despite floods and car washes.
First of all, I'm going to punch out anyone who makes any kind of remarks about the "Evil US" or "We deserved it." I'll have Kung Fu that day, and I hope we do a special Bai San or something to honor the victoms. I will stay the heck away from the TV, because I really don't want to see the atrocity again. I will stay away from a message board or chat of any kind, because I will probably take a hammer to the screen if I here some dumbas$ commie slandering America.
September 11th will be known as "Patriot Day" from now on...I just pray to God that my grandkids aren't having picnics on it and thinking of it as just another day off work.
It has and always been mankinds nature to wage war,just read
certain posts on this forum,its easy to spot the ones who've
never looked a man or woman in the eye and killed them,cold blooded out right sent them to their maker,maybe revenge,the demons that haunt the ones for years(81 year old Marine I talked to today) will live with the chill till the day they die(indeed a cause of suvival) knowing that theres no way of escaping it.
The ones who rejoice in the bloodshead either side I have no use for,now its a job of survival for our children who three years from now my 14 year old could well end up in the belly of the beast,as
this threat has a strangle hold on ANY freedom loving person on this planet.
"I'm going to ignor the morons who like to make jokes about it and say we deserve what we got, as they only show their own lack of morality, respect, and honor."
May I quote,
"These people have no sense of country.They don't look beyond themselves...We've lost a sense of responsibility,at least on the individual level.We have too many people who believe that the goverment owes them total,undisciplined freedom.If everyone thought that way,there would be no society.We're so big,so strong now,that people have seem to have forgotten that a part of our strength comes from each person surrendering a portion of his individual urges to the common good"
As for me,not a day goes by that I forget those that surrendered
a portion of his or her's individual urges to the common good,not just the "911" atrocity,but that 81 year warrior that I locked eyes with today and listened......And learned,so many before him,so many after him and so many more to come.
The lack of response on this thread bothers me,its as if Sept.11th 2001 was a wake up call for those with their heads straight up their arses,and some if not alot still have their heads up their arses.
good post tnwingtsun!
I have never faced the horrors of war, but even just thinking about it frightens me... all the people who laid down their lives to protect and fight for what they believe in (all sides of EVERY conflict), as well as innocents deserve our respect and rememberance, not just 9/11.
The story about the veteran is particularly potent: even thinking about doing something like that frightens me, but to live through a conflict, with so many horrors to come to terms with, is truly a brave thing... It seems some of those people are often forgotten about...
So for me 9/11 i will remember what happened, reflect on all the bad things that have and are happening, and those who have gone before us. Mainly i will hope for the future to see people working together to ensure this doesn't happen again, from all sides... :)
david
Like dezhen2001 I have never faced war myself.
But I have met many people that been in different wars from my own grandparents to friends and my Wifes Family..
And many people that lived and suffered through occupation times.
Both allied and non-allied.
To friends that served for 1 1/2 years in a war-zone and those that were stationed in trouble areas like Beirut and South African Townships.
The funny thing is NONE of them advocate war, it is normally people that have NEVER seen/experienced war that advocate it.
Also a lot of the People that advocate war have never seen the effects on their own home-ground like the USA.
So for all the war-mongers out there I suggest to visit a Library and see what War and Military actions have done to countries and People BOTH friendly and Enemy.
Than come back and repeat their tough racist and hatred attitude.
To find out about war don't read a History book or watch a Documentary, but ask People that been there and lived trhough it to give you first-hand accounts not tainted by glorification of people that won a war/conflict.
Cheers
Well unlike Denzen and Shadow Dragon, I HAVE seen the horror of war, and we may be facing the same Arabs with whom I worked and fought 12 years ago - can I possibly tell you how much that p isses me off?
What am I doing? Certainly not celebrating, or honoring the heroes. Truthfully I'm ashamed that the most powerful nation in the world got its "cherry popped" in such a manner, and I certainly do NOT want to remember or mourn.
I for one will be vigilant as hell, and secretly wishing some "martyr for Allah" was sitting next to me on my next airplane flight...I'll help him/her/them on their journey :mad:
Semper Fi, go shoot that guy
Sucks, don't it?
I'll probably do the same thing I do every day. Pray, meditate, train and stay vigilant.
Most people seem to forget that many people of different nations died that day. It wasn't an atack on US in general, it was an attack on humanity. Bin Laden is friggin hypocryte and coward. He doesn't even follow his own religion corectly. I say he's in it for something else.
Now this guy is has the right idea! Goodtime, goodtimes.
I will commmemorate the attacks by filling a fleet of remote controled airplanes with m-80's and flying them into skyscrapers.
Of course if I really wanted to do something dangerous I could vote for Bush in the upcoming election.
I can't wait to see who wins the war on terror. I wonder if its gonna be like the war on drugs. Remember that? Notice how its hard to find drugs these days:p The war on terror will be like that.
seriously, I will commemorate it by buying a plane ticket to Mazatlan. The fear will come again and people won't want to fly. Well if the terrorists are gonna make waves, I might as well ride them into priceline.com
NorthernMantis wrote: <i>"Most people seem to forget that many people of different nations died that day. It wasn't an atack on US in general, it was an attack on humanity. Bin Laden is friggin hypocryte and coward. He doesn't even follow his own religion corectly. I say he's in it for something else.</i>
Hello All,
I've looked at 9-11 as a tragedy for the world as well, not something confined to the USA. Any event where this many folk die (regardless of cause) is a global happening, not something confined to a locality. I felt the same about Bhopal, Chernobyl, Rwanda, etc. In addition to the diversity of the victims, like it or not, much of the worlds economy is tied to happenings in the U.S.A. This is one of the reasons Bin Laden's Al Quaida (and other terrorist groups) would love to smash the U.S. economy--hence the original WTC bombing a few years back (which at the time took out something like 5 basement floors). Envy, jealousy is a biiig part of this hatred for the U.S.
The self-proclaimed "Righteous of Allah" simply cannot come to grips with the fact that for all their ranting and claims that they speak and act for god, they are still living in hovels and having to force people to observe outdated tribal and religious customs (otherwise they would wage an ideological war, not one directed at economic targets). The thinking runs along the lines of "those immoral heathenistic, Americans (or insert your country/culture) are living successfully, reaping rewards WE DESERVE! We had better fix this before people start asking why they're successful and we're not..." In their eyes, it is the rest of the world that is misguided. Like homegrown fanatics here in the US of A, they realize that their position is not based upon reason, and know that the only way they will convince themselves and their followers that there may be some truth to their claims of divine sponsorship is to destroy something magnificent and beautiful. The freedom of their own people. Or about 3,000 unarmed other people and lots o' jet fuel, steel and concrete oughta do the trick!
All hail God, who has delivered a miracle! Ah, God. Sponsor of Al Quaida, John Walker Lindh, Aryan Nations, Branch Davidians everywhere, women's clinic bombers, terrorist shieks, and those loving televangelists who beg for "love offerings" from their multi-million dollar pulpits. Sigh. Fills my heart with goodness to know that yes, <b>prayer really does work.</b> Riiight? After all, if God answered a prayer as big as Al Quaida's....
Blaming the USA and striking at civillians going about their day-to-day business is easier for them than correcting the vast problems with the Saudi political/religious regime. But if 9-11-01 shows they were right because they succeeded...what does the fact that the Taliban were (mostly) wiped out mean?
This is a good time for the world to remember. NOTHING is truly safe. A jet could take out the Eiffel Tower today. Or vaporize the Kabbah at Mecca. Or maybe another big, stone Buddah. A bullet can rip through a soldier, or a smiling toddler indifferently. It doesn't know the difference. But people do--we have the capability of the vilest meanness and also they bravest kindness. And it is people we must watch. Vigilence is the price of Safety. If 9-11-01 has done nothing else, it has reminded us that everyone has an Achilles Heel. No-one is immortal, and nothing stands forever. Whether our monuments fall under the weight of time, or the weight of cruelty (our own or our neighbor's) is simply a matter of circumstance and preparedness.
Last but not least, "Blaming the Victim" in this case rings hollow--folks trying to rationalize this insanity really do look like a bunch of nutters. It's the USA's fault? Which US folks? The kids on the playground? The businessman trying to make a buck? Organized labor? Housewives? Atheists? Receptionists? The guys who signed the Bill of Rights, and the countless generations of men and women who improved upon the dreams eminating from it? C'mon. Listen to these blame mongers. They are either U.S. citizens laden with guilt over their own personal selfish actions, or whiney Frenchmen who never got over the fact that the U.S.A. saved their smelly posteriors from Adolf (since we're on a first-name basis with Osama, Saddam, etc...). Silliness--they can't be taken seriously. Not seriously enough to upset me, at any rate.
I will do what I did last year, run at 8:15/m pace until my legs give out, and then crawl to a friendly telephone & collect call a ride. Then I will BBQ a steak (need protein after the run), and while eating it, hope that ignorant fundamentalists everywhere will bring about their own demise--whether the remnents of the taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan, or our homegrown fanatical christians in the US of A. No candles, no flowers, nothing special, really. I celebrate the good, the innocent, the sincere every day. Always have.
As for turning the other cheek, taking the blame, swallowing the world's innocent, and jest fergettin' abouddit, as some suggest--sometimes we have to make war to have peace. I just hope we finish what we start before we stretch ourselves too thin. Or commit to WWIII. What frightening thoughts.
Happy Trailways to You,
M.C. Busman
mc_busman@Bigmailbox.net
People shouldnt be afraid.
There is more protection now then ever.
Umm Stacey? It's an off year election, Bush isn't on the ballot this time.Quote:
Of course if I really wanted to do something dangerous I could vote for Bush in the upcoming election.
M.C. Busman, dittos.
I dont think it was an attack to humanity or the western world or something, it was just USA.
Nobody here felt afraid like ooooh that could happen to us. The attack is for USA, not for us.
Posibly becouse we didnt **** other countries in the ass without asking, so we are always at low risk.
Go fuck yourself Stacey. Wait you probably just got done. Your comment about remote controlled planes filled with m-80's even in humor is a blatent disrepect to everyone who lost their lives that day. It's a shame that people who actually had something of value to contribute to this world lost their lives and whiney little pussies like you get to contiue their pointless little lives.