Hi,
just found the following WT Fight Club Video:
http://www.wt-germering.de/
Go to "Fight Club" (duh). Watch out, it's about 11 Mbytes.
Regards,
BF
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Hi,
just found the following WT Fight Club Video:
http://www.wt-germering.de/
Go to "Fight Club" (duh). Watch out, it's about 11 Mbytes.
Regards,
BF
You just broke rule #1!
Cool Video! Thanks!
Alpha Dog: What's "rule # 1"?
Regards,
John M. Drake
rule #1 - never talk about fight club.
In this case - definitely true.
The Rules of Fight Club.
1st RULE: You do not talk about Fight Club.
2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about Fight Club.
3rd RULE: If someone says "stop" or goes limp, taps out the fight is over.
4th RULE: Only two guys to a fight.
5th RULE: One fight at a time.
6th RULE: No shirts, no shoes.
7th RULE: Fights will go on as long as they have to.
8th RULE: If this is your first night at Fight Club, you HAVE to fight.
Can't wait `til I get home from school so I can check the videos out.
Imagine if they actually had a stance ! Fun to watch though.
i dont think i saw one shot with good structure in the whole thing.
it seems like their insistance on "straight blasting" (i prefer calling it chain punching) prevented them from doing any WC.
but mabye i'm being too harsh :D at least they spar - although i'm pretty sure it wasn't full power.
they sure have a gorgeous club.
thats true... wish my hole-in-the-wall school looked like that :(
even our wooden man is falling apart! :D (or is that my fault...)
Looks good! Most of these students seem to be from 1 to 3 years experience - definitely too much chainpunching, headhunting and one-dimensional footwork, but as a sparring format seems very good - I especially like how the support beam was used as a valid part of the environment.
Good video, always nice to see Wing Chun people applying their art. Not much Wing Chun there though, was there? No bong sau, no tan sau. Just chain punching back and forth. Hmmm. Quite a few of those bouts ended up on the floor too, didn't they? I guess no one likes to be hit. Much easier to close and clinch.
If you have a look at the Escrima clip and then the Wing Tsun clip, you'll see the sifu seems to have merged the two arts. Is this common in WT kwoons?
That kind of sparring will definatley make them better fighters though i think, good stuff.
Good for them. Takes guts. Anyone who disses should please post a clip of themselves doing better.
BTW- The term head hunting makes me laugh. So does Bas' "Jezuzgriiist, Liver shot!"
Yes it is quite common to teach escrima and WT at the same school.
Looks like a slapfest. They'll learn. They're stepping up to spar so they'll get it right soon.
1-3 years experience. You're kidding, right? I would have thought 1 year at the most.
Most people can't even kick above their waist after 1 year, especially if they have no athletic background. I thought most of them were between 1.5 and 2 years exp.
True that one solid shot would be worth more than 3 of those "chainpunches," I blame the teacher for that.
But consider that this looked to be alot better than just Chi-sao, push hands, or point-sparring.
If they are with Wing Chun, why would they? :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by fa_jing
Most people can't even kick above their waist after 1 year, ...
Regards,
- Kathy Jo
Just an observation regarding the average martial arts class. Of course some people will progress alot more quickly.
But there are reasons to kick above your waist in class: Stretching, big target, conforms with some sporting rules or friendly testing of skills, or so that your partner can practice against such kicks.
I have NO athletic background except for early teens, am 36 now, and have been training under a year, I am not in great shape YET, and I can kick well above my waist.Quote:
Most people can't even kick above their waist after 1 year, especially if they have no athletic background.
I must be a freak of nature LOL.
when two cars crash head on the out come is always ugly
ah if there were only such things as angles , distance and timing what a wonderful world it could be.
but they got heart and there doing what they know under pressure , hats off to them
at least there getting a good work and learning balance in motion
Not bad, but I still prefer my Pride videos.
Yeah, and 90% of streetfights go to the ground.Quote:
Most people can't even kick above their waist after 1 year, especially if they have no athletic background.
I was one of the minority, same as Vicky.
Because they CAN. :cool:Quote:
If they are with Wing Chun, why would they?
props to them for pushing it, but very much of it did look like a chain punch fest. i can't say much more than two years experience, if that, because i don't recall a single elbow being used, much less regular chi sau. also, WT teaches chin na starting at around 2½ years or so, and i didn't see any of that, either.
to give them some benefit of the doubt, the gloves they have on aren't easy to work with. they're meant not just to pad, but to restrict the wrist and fingers to keep from injury -- this also means the gloves keep them from being used to their greatest extent. so while the hands are protected, they're not much more than clubs, à la typical boxing.
hi all
This clip was mentioned on the wtdefence.com forum, they are beginners in WT and the fight club is in sweden or denmark, for more info check out the other forum
Regards
Adrian
AdrianUK:
Correction. This is a different WT club and it's in Germany. No need to check out the other forum.
:D
We have a WT center with a fightclub too, in Denmark.
Has anyone seen the escrima clip? it's pretty cool. the sifu looks like a badass. like a hells-angels member, or something!:D
my guess is 3yrs and they are probably told to fight like that.
That is just about the funniest thing I have ever seen.
Rene Ritchie has chain punched this thread with the correctness. Amusingly couch warriors sit back and pick, yet never spar lol.Quote:
Good for them. Takes guts. Anyone who disses should please post a clip of themselves doing better.
If you must criticize, at least be a little constructive or maybe just a little humorous. "Critics are like eunuchs in a harem; they know how it's done, they've seen it done every day, but they're unable to do it themselves. - Brendan Behan"
Regards,
On the contrary, that is what sparring too early in training does to Wing Chun.Quote:
Originally posted by KenWingJitsu
Amusingly couch warriors sit back and pick, yet never spar lol.
Seems like some people were looking for textbook techniques. Real fights never look textbook.
PRedmond
On the contrary, that's what not sparring often enough does to anything.Quote:
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Originally posted by KenWingJitsu
Amusingly couch warriors sit back and pick, yet never spar lol.
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On the contrary, that is what sparring too early in training does to Wing Chun.
Oh no, Merry, you are very wrong, very very wrong about that.
QUOTE]Originally posted by Merryprankster
On the contrary, that's what not sparring often enough does to anything. [/QUOTE]
Dude, you don't even do Wing Chun according to your profile.
While I don't agree with Alpha Dog's opinion, how can you contradict it on an art you don't even do?
I'm having a hard time understanding why people who are not doing WC (and showing either little interest or even disdain for the art) would come to the WC forum and post their opinions on how to do WC better. Why do that?
Because the question is actually more about training methods at this point, vice doing WC correctly.
Alpha Dog seems to fall into the camp of "teach them to do it 'right' then let them spar."
I fall into the camp of "teach them the basics, then let them play and refine as you go."
Different people have different ideas and even different ideas within that (ie, what constitutes the basics). No biggie. I find that most problems, regardless of style/system, are related to not sparring enough vice sparring too little or too soon.
Secondly, it's a public forum. Tough.
Yup.Quote:
Originally posted by Merryprankster
Alpha Dog seems to fall into the camp of "teach them to do it 'right' then let them spar."
Learning good structure isn't easy, it takes time. It takes time to learn sensitivity too.
What are the appropriate platitudes? Haste makes waste? That's a good one.
Anyway, that's just how I feel about the matter, Merry. If your way works for you, go for it.
Hi Merry,
Basics are relative.Quote:
Originally posted by Merryprankster
I fall into the camp of "teach them the basics, then let them play and refine as you go."
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Regards,
Zhuge Liang
IME&O, sparring and practice with no foundation yields internalization of anything but foundation.
Balance and timeliness in all things.
Regards,
- kj
“Doa lo yut cheung hung.”
You are empty when you are old, because you were empty at the beginning.
Watch the clip again. One fighter threw about 5 downward elbows to ward off a takedown. (This is about 2 fights after the fight where the guy loses his headgear). Of course the takedown might have gone better if the attacker had stuck to trying to take him down instead of stopping and going for body punches. Also I did see a few guys use the "Wing Chun entry technique" seen in the first part of the dummy form.Quote:
Originally posted by rubthebuddha
props to them for pushing it, but very much of it did look like a chain punch fest. i can't say much more than two years experience, if that, because i don't recall a single elbow being used, much less regular chi sau. also, WT teaches chin na starting at around 2½ years or so, and i didn't see any of that, either.
Regards,
John M. Drake