I guess I just feel the need to let everyone know how this progresses.
http://www.newscoast.com/apps/pbcs.d...309230650/1060
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I guess I just feel the need to let everyone know how this progresses.
http://www.newscoast.com/apps/pbcs.d...309230650/1060
You know the day destroys the night
Night divides the day
Tried to run
Tried to hide
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side, yeah
My sypathies are w/the woman's children and family. The loss of a family member is a tragedy no matter what the circumstances. That having been said, I can't believe that the promoters and event location are being sued. How can anyone w/half a brain look at a tough man competition and actually believe that they're not going to get hurt? Duh, blows that result in bloody faces, and stretches of unconsciousness are painful as well. If the young woman had ANY doubts about her ability to withstand the punishment she should have kept her butt in the stands...no matter who "goaded" her into competing. I have trained in MA for nine years. I've been knocked out, had my nose broken, and had more black eyes and split lips than I can count. Despite this, I have no delusions of grandure that I could swim w/the sharks in a full contact match. No amount of teasing would convince me to try either. The only way I'm going full contact is if my life, or the life of a family member is at stake. This is not a question of neglagence or misrepresentation on the part of the promotors. It is a question of rather or not an individual realistically evaluated her own abilities vs. the environment she made an adult decission to enter. Her decission was much more informed than the lawyers would have us believe. If you have eyes that see, you can watch a fight or two and see just how intense it is. If the young lady watched some fights and still felt confident about entering, then the responsibility rests w/her, not the promoter. The only other person's judgement I would seriously question is that of the referee. If you see a fighter obviously out matched, and taking a beating, common sense should tell you to stop it for safety reasons. Yes it's a tragedy, but it's not an excuse to make the lawyers richer. JMO Peace.
It's pretty clear to me that the Toughman higher-ups are a bunch of lying blood-profiteers who place no value on human life at all. They should be buried alive in a fire ant nest.
And ****ed on by mountain yettis.
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Yeah, that is pretty horrible, promoters should be held reliable, as well as the referree. I dont think the event location should be charged however..
Dore needs his sorry arse face smashed in.
At some point, you have to take responsibility for your own actions. People who over-eat should not sue restaurants because they gave them the food they asked for, and fighters should not sue promoters for allowing them to fight.
Now, if the promoters did indeed mislead her, it's one thing. But getting into the ring was a conscious decision she made, and quiting when she had enough should have been another conscious decision. She chose not to make that decision, and paid for it.
If any blame is dispensed, surely, it should be at least shared by both parties.
If the fight should have been stopped and was not however, that is more or less due to the negligence of the referree, and due to an inadequate referree, the promoter is at fault for negligence to hire a competent ref.
Well, she and her family have already suffered for her foolish choices - I'm not denying her part in this at all. The question is why should the promoters get off scott-free for their lies and high-pressure tacticts that led to those choices (and which they have made a goodly profit from)? The answer that some of you are offering seems to be simply that a personal injury lawyer may make some money off the suit. Is your hatred of lawyers so great that you'd rather let injustice go unpunished than allow a lawyer to make some bread (and yes, the lawyers fees would be bloodmoney too, to my way of thinking.)
Its nothing so ubberdark, its a business just like any other business by name, I don't believe they should get sued, but again its a liberal world run amok by passing the buck and not taking responsibility, a world run by giant fatasses trying to sue McDonalds, a world where dumb retards with holes in there throats try to sue tobacco companies despite any warnings on the box and whiny brady *****es try to sue gun manufacturers, a place where illegal and diseased criminals are being pandered to more than its natural born citizens, a place that rests more on making school kids feel good instead of fluking them out because they are stupid, where total pu$$ies ban dodgeball because someone's feelings may get hurt.
I would rather see this lawyer and his kin buried alive in a nest of fire ants.
Could she not have asked to stop the fight? Did someone hold a gun to her head and make her continue?
All she had to do was quit once she realized she was in trouble.
If she was dazed beyond all ability to make a conscious decision, then it's the ref's fault. If she coherent and able to decide for herself, then she should at least shoulder part of the responsibility.
It's like my dad used to say: You have to carry your own water.
And does the fact that nicotine is added to cigarettes because of it's addictive properties not make the manufacturer's responsible for getting people addicted?Quote:
a world where dumb retards with holes in there throats try to sue tobacco companies despite any warnings on the box
Jack - try sticking to the subject at hand, if you have a point to make.
It's not my fault you did not get the point. Its right there in black and yellow.
I love boxing. What Dore is doing is illegal and immoral. His are not proffesionaly santioned events. Amateurs really don't understand how dangerous the sport can be. Profesionals do and when one of them dies sad as it may be it's a risk one takes. Unless there's complicity on the referee's part it's an unfortunate thing that happens occasionaly. Amature events are not supposed to be life threatening. This is why we have boxing and gaming commisions. Dore should be banned from the sport for life, after a beating.
"And does the fact that nicotine is added to cigarettes because of it's addictive properties not make the manufacturer's responsible for getting people addicted?"
Sure it does, but the government holds plenty of stock in the tobacco trade, Im more than certain. Why outlaw something they make so much $$ off of?
Could she not have asked to stop the fight? Did someone hold a gun to her head and make her continue?”
its called heart, as in that kid has a lot of heart. Takes a beating keeps on ticking. Didn’t read the article only the post. Yes it’s the reefs job to stop it. You wouldn’t expect the person init to stop it would you? too much ego involved. The ego wouldn’t allow it.
In competition stopping or quitting is discouraged, look at the guy in the bike race who broke his collar bone and continued to race, grinding his teeth down because of the pain. Every body said wow what a show of the indomitable human sprit. i guess it is a show of something, good for his dentist thats for sure.
These contest are driven by money and ego, if you play in them better know that going in
Since when is another person liable for your ego?Quote:
You wouldn’t expect the person init to stop it would you? too much ego involved. The ego wouldn’t allow it.
"Since when is another person liable for your ego?"
They arent, but when they tell you its a "safe and fun" event, they are reliable for your personal safety...
Meaning, once again, that the refferee was supposed to be competent and reliable enough to see physical damage, especially excessive physical exhaustian, incoherency, and it was the promoters place to hire said refferee. Inability to review and test a refferees abilities and competency to call an amateur bout, is complete neglicence on behalf of the promoter. In a nut shell, she should have never stepped into the ring to begin with, but the fight should have been stopped.
They're not - they're liable for the referee they hired saying "don't stop - go back in there" when a fighter tries to quit (I may be misremembering the facts of the case slightly.)
Why the hell arent our resident lawyers getting in on this liability debate?
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*cough* JP *cough*
:)
No combat event is "safe." Nobody with a lick of common sense would believe it to be, regardless of what a promoter says. Combat sports are dangerous. They're lots safer than they once were, but injury is par for the course, and death is an obvious risk, though clearly a small one. Toughman/woman is ridiculous, of course, but anyone who puts themselves in the ring so lightheartedly as to not have considered their own limitations or the ablities of their opponent does so at their own risk.Quote:
They arent, but when they tell you its a "safe and fun" event, they are reliable for your personal safety...
I feel sympathy for the family, but what the hell was this woman thinking?
She was thinking she could trust the experts running the event.
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Before the fight that killed her, Toughman promoters told Stacy Young it would be "safe and fun," according to a lawsuit filed Monday.
The thing that bothers me is that the ref allowed her to be struck after turning away, willingly turning her back in the univeral "this is too much for me, I've had enough and want to croll under a rock" response.
The ref should have broken it then, checked to see if she wanted to conitnue, AND, if so, penalize her for running away (sort of like running off the mat).
"croll under a rock" ?
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I am with dwid here.
Logic tells me that if I step into a ring I need to be prepaed to be hit and suffer consequences from it.
Add to that the venue(toughman) and that I am up against a more experienced person ....
Hello, reality check there are people hitting each other.
It's like trying to sue the traffic department & car manufacturer because I had an accident while taking a wrong turn.
to recap in brief my previous posts on the matter, i was in the third row. the lawyer is stating what happened on the videotape as exactly what i stated here after the event. After several attempts to waive to the referee her intention to quit, she turned and went into the corner and continued to get pummeled until she dropped from exhaustion and injury.
proceedings in criminal court were stopped because police are responsible for upholding the law, not interpreting it, and dore has many legal loopholes for just such a case, as he’s had the rehearsals. Now the family has someone representing them for a civil case, and I do hope he can achieve something positive for them. suing the venue as well as the promoter may not be "fair", but it may be the only way to obtain restitution for the woman's family via the event insurance (yes, burn the lawyers... but what about the insurance mafia? Ok, so I’m just adding wood to the fire…).
i am a firm believer in one being responsible for one's own actions. The only time someone should not be responsible is when he or she is mentally or physically incapacitated. This woman was physically and, at the moment of the sustaining injuries, arguably mentally incapable of making decisions for her own well-being. The person placed in the position to be her surrogate decision-maker should such a circumstance arise WILLFULLY neglected to fulfill his obligation, at the direction of his employer.
IMHO.