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He is doing Wing Chun, not Tai Chi push hand/sparring.
Every thing I hate about 99% of tai chi clubs is shown here.
How come the worst Taiji people come out of the UK? What the hell's going on over there?
Yea......These look like they come from Earl Montaigue's school of Taiji thought.
Earl Montaigue's Taijiquan is always a hot topic on the Internet.
Montaigue's Taijiquan has a lot more strikes than other Yang styles. I've seen it before and yea it looks like he's drawn a lot of his understanding of the form (the quan) from Wing chun applications or his Bagua...whatever one came first.
Sometimes he can make some interesting comments..
I personally don't have a problem with him or what he's been doing. He's been studying Yang style Taijiquan for thirty years. If this is his version, then this is "HIS" version.
He has the experience and just needs to come out and say so.......If it works for him or someone else cool! I'm not sure its traditional Yang family style....but heck what is?
I hail from the Chen Fu side and although that style differs with intent and applications (for the most part) with Earl Montaigue's,
he does teach a martial side. It may not be what guys like myself or others that hail from the Fu Zhong Wen side have been trained in, but..... Montaigue's men train martially (which is more than many Yang and Wu schools do.)
What few people in the west know is that there are so many different styles of Taijiquan other than Chen, Wu, Yang and Sun in China, not to mention all the sub branches these respected styles have spawned. For all I know Montiague learned his Yang style from a hybrid master. In the end it doesn't matter...if it works you ...then it works you.....Its a bonus if you enjoy it!
That dog aint gunna hunt round here boy....these guys are in New England not the UK from what I can make out.Quote:
How come the worst Taiji people come out of the UK? What the hell's going on over there?
My mistake. :rolleyes:
Go to this link HERE
And tell me you think this is an English man!
All I can say is, the man has fantastic self confidence...
Yup, and Steve has none. I want the next clip they post to be titled "Steve twats Mark in the face for repeatedly pushing him over".Quote:
All I can say is, the man has fantastic self confidence...
It's always impressive to see a guy with a large weight advantage shove a smaller guy.
Ground Jing,
As a student of Erle's system I might add that you don't know what your talking about in his regard. it's a nice little rant but it helps if you get some of the facts straight. If you need straightening out, which you do, I suggest you take a look at his website which gives you all the facts you need about who he trained with over the years and where his art comes from.
His main teacher was Chang Yiu Chun who was a cousin to the Yangs and who trained under Yang Shou Hou along side Chen Pan Ling. Chen Pan Ling and Erle's Taijiquan look almost the same. I don't think there was any hybrid here. It is also well known that Yang Shou Hou preserved his fathers art whereas Yang Cheng Fu hugely altered it.
In our school we learn both the Yang Cheng Fu long form 108 (For health) as well as the old Yang styles of Yang Lu Chan (For Combat). If you don't recognize many of the applications in Erle's system then perhaps thats because your getting applications out of Yang Cheng Fu's form which was altered from a combat form to a health and healing form, rather than from the Old Yang combat forms.
Either way, some research mightn't go astray...
Best, Syd
Who's perfect?
There is nothing more that I hate then wanting to "push hands" with taiji guys who don't want to include strikes or any type of final, "I can beat your a$$" movements.
Real simple: Touching/sticking hand, pushing hand, hitting hand. You need all three!
The first example of that man throwing the guy was actually pretty good.
Contact, stuck, found an in, DROVE OFF THE BACK LEG, moved the guy, than finished his push with his arms. (the other two his weight was going back a bit and had more to do with the other anticipating a hit).
Yes, the guy was much bigger. So what? Sometimes you get to have an advantage, too.
There is so much criticism here, how does anyone learn?
I don't think anyone is saying his taiji is not martial or he doesn't emphasize spariing techniques. They're probably saying we didn't see any redirection of the opponent's force back into the opponent. Some people here are probably skeptical of the guy's peng jin and wonder if he really uses the dantien when shifting weight. Although I've been told you can't tell if somone has internal by looking, It appeared to be strength (ineffective) based rather than sung and peng based
I don't like to get caught up with stuff like, "redirect their force back to them" and what not. Does the guy study taiji? Looks like he can defend himself quite well. Room to improve? Of course! I'd start with the wardrobe and man breasts before his technique.
There are VERY few people that I have seen who can do with taiji what they say you're supposed to do .... and VERY few who can fight.
I go in from time to time to steal an idea or two ... I'll save the soft-soft for after I become hard as hell with Hsing-I, clever as a fox with Ba Gua, and as hard to stop and see coming as the U.S. militray via E-Chuan. I just don't get visions of graneur ... It's still a fight! You have to go in there and deal with a blow, maybe take one, get good position and finish it off.
Too much philosophising about what's what might work the grey matter but not much else.
these clips are a disaster, and I am glad to see so many people agree on this. The big guy's wing chun is pretty bad looking too. Besides , who would stand there and exchange slaps with him like that and allow a throw? why not step out and try again with some feet? americans.....
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Ground Jing,
As a student of Erle's system I might add that you don't know what your talking about in his regard. it's a nice little rant but it helps if you get some of the facts straight.
Best, Syd
Really I’m ranting…? That’s funny I thought I was sticking up for Erle Montague and the people that follow him.
I wonder if you have ever heard the phrase “Don’t bite the hand the feeds you”.
Oh…. and here is a true rant!
First, Do you know what Yang Shou Hou's form really looks like? Because what Montague does is nothing like Yang Shou Hou’s
Montague’s main teacher was guy named Chang Yiu Chun who was a cousin to the Yang’s and who trained under Yang Shou Hou along side Chen Pan Ling?
Hmmm…funny there is no proof that this man has ever existed. No one from the Yang’s has ever said he’s existed either. Montague claims he met and trained with the man in the 1960’s in a park in England. Yet, the world has never seen this great master that passed on all of his secrets to a westerner. Should there be a picture or something on Erle’s site dedicated to this man?
Chen Pan Ling was born in Henan Province and lived much of his life in Fukien, learning Shaolin and a huge list of others arts before leaving the mainland to Taiwan. Yang Shou Hou as far as I know never really set up shop in Fukien, not long enough for Chen Pan ling to really study Yang style. Yes, Yang shou Hou did teach Chen pan ling for a short time, however his main Tajiquan influence comes from Wu Jian Quan, Xu Yu Sheng. As far as his systems origins it proves a mystery “oh I forgot” he said he created it. It floated, because he was highly respected and still is in Taiwan.
So, how is it that Montigue’s style looks like Chen Pan ling’s?
Did he train with a cousin of Chen Pan ling too?
By the way which form are we talking about?
Montigue’s sported/floated at least three main forms in his system of Yang style Taijiquan throughout the years and one of them he has stated is the actual Lu Chan form!
The world doesn’t know what the “true” Yang Lu Chan form is, only indoor students learned this if it actually ever exsisted (his family and a select few others and its not well documented who learned what) and as far as the Yang family is concerned it’s the form the Chen Fu taught.
Yang Shou Hou only passed down his art to a few respected well-documented disciples (for reasons we don’t need to go into here) I’m at a lost to find where this Chang Yiu Chun is on the roles and what was he doing in England in the sixties. Shou Hou style is close to/or probably is the style Yang Jing Ming practices. Last time I checked Montigue's style looks and acts nothing like this in form and in applicative means. Unless he’s teaching something new or doing something I’ve never seen him do before.
Nor does Montague’s system look similar to Funei style Taijiquan. This Funei style is the same style Yang Lu Chan taught the Imperial palace guards. Again this style is similar to the Chen fu and actual Shou Hou style in form and application. Li Zhen the current linage holder can back up his claims with paper and proof.
I was trying to stick up for you guys. I believe Erle Montigues is legit in skill, Heck he's been studying some form of martial art for thirty years he has to know something. Taijiquan is very broad and there is plenty of room for all.
I'm not sure where you have gotten your information, check your sources, and don't assume everyone is trying to attack your way of doing things.
Whew!!!! NOW THAT WAS A RANT!
Maybe I have just not been around enough or something. But these clips of the sparring and push hands were not really what I expected.
I mean, the guy in blue, he had no root, was bending his head forward a lot, bending the back. The one thing I don't get, and this could be because I don't understand their excersice, is why is the guy in blue, never angling the incoming energy from the big guy?
Right? Should the guy in blue go force on force with the huge guy? Why does he not turn his waist, and and shift his weight, or at the very least, lift up under the guys pushing arms to uproot his power some?
In the sparring, there was NO angular moves? Everything was striaght in straight back.
Ok, so I am not running this little guy down, because he looks real new. But why would the teacher continue to let this happen over and over and over? He should be helping the guy. Someone asked how are we supposed to learn. At least in my opinion, you do it wrong, and the teacher shows what's going on and how to do it right.
Ground Jing,
Thanks for your response, I'm eager to respond but for fear of dragging this thread any further off topic I would apreciate it if you shoot me your e-mail address so I can respond in like kind, off board.
psi_fan@yahoo.com
Best, Syd
Evolution fist, You said the first clip was good and that the guy pushed off with his back leg. The guy is a joke. Yeah maybe he did push off with his back leg but if you look more closely you will notice that his back heel comes completely off the ground. There goes his root. He should adjust his back leg by sliding forward but there is no way his heel should come off the ground at any time.
Ok I'll post here regardless...
Really I’m ranting…? That’s funny I thought I was sticking up for Erle Montague and the people that follow him.
I didn't mean rant in a derogatory way. Infact I rant all the time and use the term rather as an expression of literary effection more than anything else. It seemed to me that you were giving the Montaigue system a backhanded compliment more than anything else, rather than actually sticking up for it.
I wonder if you have ever heard the phrase “Don’t bite the hand the feeds you”.
Yes I have, but I hope that based on the above explanation you'll understand my objection to some of the things you stated.
Oh…. and here is a true rant!
O.k
First, Do you know what Yang Shou Hou's form really looks like? Because what Montague does is nothing like Yang Shou Hou’s
Chang Yiu Chun trained under Shou Hou and it is taught in our system that it comes direct from Shou Hou. I think if you aim to argue whether Shou Hou's form looks nothing like what Erle does then you better argue the point with him. Until you can provide the evidence to support that statement it won't really cut any ice with me.
Montague’s main teacher was guy named Chang Yiu Chun who was a cousin to the Yang’s and who trained under Yang Shou Hou along side Chen Pan Ling?
I don't know whether he trained at the same time as Chen Pan Ling, but rather what I mean is that they were fellow See Hin.
Hmmm…funny there is no proof that this man has ever existed. No one from the Yang’s has ever said he’s existed either.
Well it's a difficult thing to get to the bottom of when infact Chang Yiu Chun was an illegal immigrant to Australia at the time and might have been under a false name. Australia being in the South East Asian Pacific, it is a very common occurance for us to have Asian illegals from every part of Asia. Chang Yiu Chun reportedly came illegally on a boat. If you know anything about the state of Australian foreign affairs and immigration, the boat people issue has been a massive political problem and issue for over 20 years. The way that many illegals enter our country is by the same methods that Chang Yiu Chun employed and these are people who are very careful to guard their true indentity or names lest they be shipped back to whence they came. Changing your name is the most common method of jamming the works for a hostile Immigration department. I feel that it is important for you to have atleast a little understanding of the political and social aspects of Chang Yiu Chuns circumstances and how it was that Erle came to know him.
...Continued...
Montague claims he met and trained with the man in the 1960’s in a park in England. Yet, the world has never seen this great master that passed on all of his secrets to a westerner. Should there be a picture or something on Erle’s site dedicated to this man?
Thats incorrect. Erle met Chang Yiu Chun in a park in Australia when he was back here in the early 80's while acting as a cheuffuer or driver. It is not uncommon for teachers or masters, particularly as early on in the game as 1980! - to be guarded about what they know and who they knew it from. Chang was the classic mystery man who was teaching Erle in a typical closed door fashion. The guy wasn't interested in ego and letting the world know he was there, he was merely living the life of Taijiquan and trying to survive as an illegal immigrant. It's not surprising that Chang wasn't totally forthcoming about his real name or anything else given his circumstances. If you want a photograph or picture Paul Brecher has one of Chang on his website. As to passing everything on to the world etc etc etc, this was not his interest. It's like saying every single person who has something exceptional to say should be a best selling writer!
Chen Pan Ling was born in Henan Province and lived much of his life in Fukien, learning Shaolin and a huge list of others arts before leaving the mainland to Taiwan. Yang Shou Hou as far as I know never really set up shop in Fukien, not long enough for Chen Pan ling to really study Yang style. Yes, Yang shou Hou did teach Chen pan ling for a short time, however his main Tajiquan influence comes from Wu Jian Quan, Xu Yu Sheng. As far as his systems origins it proves a mystery “oh I forgot” he said he created it. It floated, because he was highly respected and still is in Taiwan.
Perhaps, perhaps not... I haven not seen the information where Chen Pan Ling states he created his own style?
So, how is it that Montigue’s style looks like Chen Pan ling’s?
I told you, it's not the same but it shares many similar attributes. Both Chang and Chen trained under Yang Shou Hou... thats how.
Did he train with a cousin of Chen Pan ling too?
Now your being silly...
By the way which form are we talking about?
We are talking about Erle's Old Yang Style. It should be noted that there are many other things that Chang taught Erle which Erle attributes to Chang and nobody else.
Montigue’s sported/floated at least three main forms in his system of Yang style Taijiquan throughout the years and one of them he has stated is the actual Lu Chan form!
Which three are you talking about? And yes the main form of Old Yang Style is the one that is also known as the Yang Lu Chan form. This is the one that comes down from the Yang Shou Hou side but it is agree'd that Shou Hou probably altered certain minor things.
The world doesn’t know what the “true” Yang Lu Chan form is, only indoor students learned this if it actually ever exsisted (his family and a select few others and its not well documented who learned what) and as far as the Yang family is concerned it’s the form the Chen Fu taught.
Chang Yiu Chun was such an indoor student of Yang Shou Hou. His real name is not known due to his immigration status and at the age he was at there were scant records available back in China for Erle to reasearch after Chang's death after his return to China in the late 80's. It is interesting to note that in a recent article from an official Yang Family member in a magazine called Martial Arts Insider (Not inside Kung Fu) he was quoted as saying...
"What is missing from Taijiquan today is alive and well outside the Yang Family System"
I think this is a clear indication that certain aspects of the Yang system have been allowed to fall away due to the great western popularity of the health art of Yang Chang Fu. They understand that it's better to consolidate with the Cheng Fu system because this is where the majority of the wests understanding of Yang Style Taijiquan exists. As I said before in our system we learn both the Cheng Fu and the Old Yang Style systems which come down from the Shou Hou side. The Yang family openly recongnize a standardized system which has been chosen to represent their family art... namely Yang Cheng Fu's.
Yang Shou Hou only passed down his art to a few respected well-documented disciples (for reasons we don’t need to go into here) I’m at a lost to find where this Chang Yiu Chun is on the roles and what was he doing in England in the sixties.
Again the facts are wrong and incorrect about Chang Yiu Chun. O.k then, if the well documented disciples are so well documented by all means list them with sources?
Shou Hou style is close to/or probably is the style Yang Jing Ming practices.
What gave you that idea? I am actually very respectful of Yang Jwing Ming and like what he does but where do you get the source material to state that?
Last time I checked Montigue's style looks and acts nothing like this in form and in applicative means. Unless he’s teaching something new or doing something I’ve never seen him do before.
I think it's clear that because you don't know or haven't seen the art elsewhere you decry it as in-authentic. But to me thats like saying upon discovery of a lost book, that because nobody has seen this book before that it can't be real and the infomation therein is useless. I'll bet that for arguements sake if somebody came out with totally irrefutale, documented proof and record of Yang Lu Chan's original Taijiquan that people would still find a way to knock it down and call it fakery and instead support their arguments based on the idea that it doesn't match their own modern day versions of Taijiquan! What a total joke! *L*
Nor does Montague’s system look similar to Funei style Taijiquan. This Funei style is the same style Yang Lu Chan taught the Imperial palace guards. Again this style is similar to the Chen fu and actual Shou Hou style in form and application. Li Zhen the current linage holder can back up his claims with paper and proof.
It is known that there were two frames learned, taught and practiced in the Yang family at the time the Palace guards were taught, not just one. I could say that the Old Yang Style is similar to the Cheng Fu style, afterall there are similarities but even so large differences also.
I was trying to stick up for you guys. I believe Erle Montigues is legit in skill, Heck he's been studying some form of martial art for thirty years he has to know something. Taijiquan is very broad and there is plenty of room for all.
Seemed like a backhanded compliment to me which ended with an attitude of "I practice the real fighting art of Taijiquan, which is the Yang Cheng Fu style!". Well where I come from Yang Cheng Fu's forms are health forms which have had all their martial applications and fajin stripped from them! Show me where in the Yang Cheng Fu forms that you issue fajin or strike points? I will show you both the Old Yang Style in comparison side by side with the Cheng Fu style and point out each form, where the original martial applications were and where Cheng Fu changed them and softened them out.
I'm not sure where you have gotten your information, check your sources, and don't assume everyone is trying to attack your way of doing things.
I didn't assume you were attacking but rather you superior approach garnered my response. I have the benefit of something you do not, the practice of the arts of both Cheng Fu and Shou Hou. If you think the art of Shou Hou is the same as Cheng Fu I'd say there's no point continuing the discussion.
Whew!!!! NOW THAT WAS A RANT!
Yup...
This side by side comparison might be interesting.
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Originally posted by Syd
Ground Jing,
As a student of Erle's system I might add that you don't know what your talking about in his regard. it's a nice little rant but it helps if you get some of the facts straight. If you need straightening out, which you do, I suggest you take a look at his website which gives you all the facts you need about who he trained with over the years and where his art comes from.
Best, Syd
Syd,
Looks like you are the one who needs to be straighten out, you should get in touch with Tony Ward (face to face contact is the best) and find out something about Erle from someone who knows his past thoroughly. If Tony is willing to talk, you will get some straight answers that is not on Erle's website, but it wont be easy, icey water runs deep.
http://tai-chiworks.com/teachers.php
Good luck.
Syd you remind me of the illustrious Sam Wiley. Take that as a compliment as Sam is a senior student of Erle's in USA.
Only 1 thing I see repeated alot on here i"d like to comment on, though you've certainly put out alot of great material to work with as always Syd.
"Yang Cheng Fu's forms are health forms which have had all their martial applications and fajin stripped from them! Show me where in the Yang Cheng Fu forms that you issue fajin or strike points? I will show you both the Old Yang Style in comparison side by side with the Cheng Fu style and point out each form, where the original martial applications were and where Cheng Fu changed them and softened them out."
I remember Sam Wiley pointing out the difference between YCF's and YLC's form was a few extra moves on YLC's form with fajing. You take out a few moves and fajing and its no longer relevant for fighting eh? Guess what.....I don't think many people on these boards even know what the hell fajing is! It would be more accurate to state that YCF's form has no change of pace fajing in it. However if you know what fajing is or how to do it, why can't it be done at the same speed as the rest of the form? Yes, yes it can be done and should be.
Syd please put up that side by side comparison this would truly make my day.
http://www.tai-chi-chuan.demon.co.uk
"So we have three levels of fa-jin, the first is the basic shake the waist, shift the weight and shout type of Big fa-jin for which we need to have all the Internal Principles of Posture operating smoothly.This Big fa-jin is like a tiger impacting with its prey and can be made to happen, you can do this fa-jin, it comes from you.
The second more advanced and more internal type is the Small fa-jin which is only possible when we have the Internal Principles of Movement all operating simultaneously in an integrated way.This Small fa-jin is like a snake striking and cannot be made to happen, this fa-jin does you, it comes through you.
Getting to this stage in my fa-jin journey took me ten years, it was a very long way to go to get something that cant be seen.I got there because I met Erle back in 1987 just by the beach near byron bay in eastern Oz and he showed me the whole of Yang Lu chans Old Yang Style Tai Chi Long Form with the Fa-jin. It was like a treasure map with the route clearly marked out on it. So its now ten years later, Ive followed Erles foot steps in the sand and now Im walking into the third most advanced type of fa-jin that happens at the Hao Chuan level, I call this the Vibrating Palm Fa-jin.
To get to this third level of fa-jin one needs to have the third set of internal principles that I have decided to call Internal Principles of Intention. At this level I have found that a certain type of energetic momentum has accumulated over the years and this last set of principles although very small have a very big effect. They tip the balance and cause the Vibrating Palm fa-jin to occur. "
but seeing is better then reading:
www.taijiworld.com/CLIPS/67.WMV www.taijiworld.com/CLIPS/221.ASF
Discuss
Extrajoseph,
Looks like you are the one who needs to be straighten out, you should get in touch with Tony Ward (face to face contact is the best) and find out something about Erle from someone who knows his past thoroughly.
Hey brother, If what I have been told directly and by Erle are baloney it's not like I am not open to being corrected; actually I am. But it's going to take more than the usual trolling to put me straight, thats all. I know of Tony and would very much like to get to the bottom of certain things for myself.
As you say, if it's going to be hard to get the facts out of him (Tony) and you seem to know something I don't, by all means mail me at my address above and clue me in? I am quite serious when I say I am open to hearing a different story and if it bears out then I won't hesitate to change my tune and retract my ill gotten facts.
Best, Syd
Brass,
I remember Sam Wiley pointing out the difference between YCF's and YLC's form was a few extra moves on YLC's form with fajing.
Well I don't think I'd agree with that at all and since Saw isn't here to confirm or refute your paraphrasing something he is supposed to have said I'll reserve judgement on this.
The differences are far mosre complex than just a couple of moves IMHO, it is about how the moves are expressed and the fact that many movements in Cheng Fu form have bits missing that are found in the Old Yang.
You take out a few moves and fajing and its no longer relevant for fighting eh?
If thats your simplistic version of the thing I would disagree with this and everything that you base this premise on.
Guess what.....I don't think many people on these boards even know what the hell fajing is!
What do you want me to do about it? Tell them to go read the classics...
It would be more accurate to state that YCF's form has no change of pace fajing in it. However if you know what fajing is or how to do it, why can't it be done at the same speed as the rest of the form? Yes, yes it can be done and should be.
Well if thats how you like to perform fajin in your own system or forms then who am I to say different? It is not a teaching in what I have learned and traditionally I have never seen anybody doing Cheng Fu forms performing fajin, by it's very nature fajin is explosive.
Syd please put up that side by side comparison this would truly make my day.
I said I'd show it as in demonstrate it, I'm not going to waste hours writing it all up, it's pretty obvious. I've nothing to prove on that count.
Best to ya...
Since we're all out on the table and openly challenging teachers and lineage why not play the ball and openly state your own teacher, system and lineage?
Brassmonkey? Let's see it then...
Joseph? How bout it?
Anybody else?
That way we'll all be out in the open and not criticizing whilst bringing nothing of our own to the table of scrutiny...;)
lol you'll just have to settle using my own words to bash as your looking to do. What I don't give you enough material to work with, you have to bash my teacher whom you don't know? If you didnt make ridiculous statement's I would have no ammo.
My comments are usually directed at your words, not Erle's however I included some of his work to show where your coming from.
Judge me on what I say not on my teacher's rep. If my words are full of sh*t please check me on it.
Ya never know, I could be a book learned Tai Chi Master like Wong Kit but at least he learned from the very best TCC Master's books.
Yang style-
Yang chengFu , to Cheng man Ching , to Tchoung ta Tchen , to my teacher who gave me permission to teach CMC style at college. I don't teach it or really practice it at all now.
Chen style-
Chen Zhoukui , to Ma Hong ,to a teacher in Canada I learned for 2 years from
lol you'll just have to settle using my own words to bash as your looking to do.
Seems the only person with something to hide here is you...
My comments are usually directed at your words, not Erle's.
Thats funny because most of what I have to say comes from my teachings of Erle and his system. You attack me and you attack Erle, it's more or less the same thing, though you would try to deviate.
however I included some of his work to show where your coming from.
I have no idea what your angle is, whether you are genuinely sarcastic or just ambivialent.
Judge me on what I say not on my teacher's rep. If my words are full of sh*t please check me on it.
You don't seem to say anything and back up what you do say with nothing. How can I judge something without substance?
Ya never know, I could be a book learned Tai Chi Master like Wong Kit but at least he learned from the very best TCC Master's books.
Another ambiguous statement which say's nothing and leaves us yet again no-where. Yet again you won't be open, honest and above board about where you draw your training and teachings from and you expect that based on this myself or others should defer to some greater knowledge which dare not reveal it's origins?
Pah! ....;
Thanks Backbreaker for your open response, apreciated.
"You don't seem to say anything and back up what you do say with nothing. How can I judge something without substance?"
well when I disagreed with your theory about jumping out of a sweep how can I back that up if your not willing to test it outside your classmates, seniors and teachers who also believe it like you stated.
If you do a search on my posts you'll see what I believe and don't believe. Check out what I've praised on here. A few months back I posted what I believe to be a very good martial arts teacher out of all places Australia, a Mr. Raymond Floro. Check out my comments on that thread and you'll see better where I come from.
A video from Wong Kiew Kit's page. The awesome power of dragon qigong.
http://www.wahnam.com/video/videos/S...nstitute07.wmv
well when I disagreed with your theory about jumping out of a sweep how can I back that up if your not willing to test it outside your classmates, seniors and teachers who also believe it like you stated.
It's not just my own thoughts on the application or only Erle's. You can find similar applications to this in Yang Jwing Mings books and video's also. As I stated before it was but one such possible application, not the be all and end all.
If someone did decided to sweep me and I jumped to avoid the leg sweep I would clearly land my structure afterwards right down ontop of my opponent. This would allow any number of follow up techniques in order to finish off. I'm not quite sure what seems so outlandish about jumping in order to evade a sweep.
if you do a search on my posts you'll see what I believe and don't believe.
I want to know what you base your beliefs on. I want to know where you get the belief that your idea's are the only idea's relevent to Taiji applications. I don't care for yet another unfounded group of writings which remain perpetually without substance or background.
Check out what I've praised on here.
Again, you come on with this air that what you approve of has worth and nothing else will do. Add to this the fact that you supply no evidence of you training or learning, your teachers or anything else. I repeat once more, without any of this, by what right do you assume the role of sole judge and authority on whats valid and what isn't?
A few months back I posted what I believe to be a very good martial arts teacher out of all places Australia, a Mr. Raymond Floro. Check out my comments on that thread and you'll see better where I come from.
Great... but it's still meaningless without your open disclosure... it's insubstantial and without any credibility whatsoever. I have nothing against you, as I have stated before, but this continual evasiveness of supporting info is getting you no further down the road to crediblity.
It's always easy to criticize another man's art when you won't disclose or reveal your own. Whats to hide?
Sorry...
Thats a very interesting clip of Wong... shame it's so muddy.
Fa jing in the Cheng Fu lineage, at least as taught by his son Yang Sau Cheung is not in the large frame form. This is because the large frame is designed as a beginner form to stretch and strengthen.
Fa jing is practiced in solos drills, individual postures taken from the form and drilled explosively. It is also present in the fast set (long boxing) which is a fast/slow set and the old Yang from (which is different from Erle's). . There is also the small frame form, all done at speed. The broadsword is also practiced at speed.
FJ is also developed through staff drills and dynamic push hands.
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Maybe his heal comes up .... so what? When you practice it better be down -- 100%. But when it comes to go live, how much can you bring with you? I doubt you bring and can maintain 100% perfection in movement. If you bring 75% you're pretty good already. Ask musicians who play for large crowds how much they lose to pressure.
"why not step out and try again with some feet? americans": This is the dumbest thing I've read here! Doesn't the other guy have feet, too. If he beats your hands he has an advanatge ... pick up your foot and chances are you'll go down.... As for "Americans", I can't recall the last time I've seen a Taiwainies champ in, well, anything .... forget boxing, K1, Pride, Wrestling, UFC .... and on and on and on and on.
We have the same skill set -- probbaly better now -- and we grow them bigger over here. You need more McDonalds.
Maybe his heel comes up so what. Your response says it all.