Anyone have specs or know where to get specs for a dummy that does not need to be attached to a wall mount?
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Anyone have specs or know where to get specs for a dummy that does not need to be attached to a wall mount?
Right off the top of my head I can offer the following:
WWW.Cougarmountain.com
They offer a free-standing version.
I&I Sports also offers a free standing stand
you can call them at 310-715-6800
Or you can try the great Lion Company in Atlanta Georgia, sorry don't know the URL offhand.
There is also a new product I have seen advertised in magazines. This is some type of recycled Dummy made out of recycled materials. Supposed to be pretty good. Sorry don't know anything about it. But, it does show several versions which are free standing. You can probably find an add in a current MA magazine.
If you have access to any of Randy Williams books he gives some specs for the Wooden Dummy and a free standing stand.
Wish I could offer more but I am pressed for time at the moment. Feel free to email me if I can be of further assistance.
dmcknight@home.com
Peace,
Dave
not wall mounted what style do you do. if its wc than i wouldnt buy the randy williams one if its the one that hangs between a door frame. i cant see how you could do proper wc eg the push in the dummy with a free standing dummy if its like a puching bag.
confused
qy,there are some blueprints on how to build a wooden dummy at www.spheral.comalmaindex2u.html look under text hope it helps
qy,
Look at www.azwingchun.com. It shows a movable frame. Basically, it's a frame to the plywood on the floor.
J
thanks all!!!
The reason I am asking is because I am a lowly "renter" and can do nothing to my walls that a little white paint wont cover up. I have some friends that are woodworkers that saw "Fist of Legend" and want to see if they can build a wooden man. So I jumped on that one.
I do understand the mounted type is better for many reasons.
Thanks again all!!!... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by qy (edited 07-28-2000).]
i seen one in a mag that was a corner dummy. it was a normal dummy but it didnt need to be bolted to the wall as it was like a corner unit but i asked my teacher and he said that for the step away and kick(hard to explain unless youve seen it) would be hard as you need room to step to the side.
but its worth a look
see ya
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I know of two options: freestanding or corner unit. There are a couple of companies that have a weighted-base free-standing dummy, but they are $600+US.
When I was renting, I got the corner unit stand from Great Lion (http://www.woodendummy.net). It fits neatly in any corner and lets you go full force without damaging walls. I highly recommend it. If making your own, you can get the ideas of the corner design from Great Lion's website.
Some of the Senior Students in my Kwoon have a NPM dummy that was designed by our sifu and one of our students. It is a Wooden dummy, the type being a modified NPM style that was seated in a metal cup(for lack of a better word)about 10 inches deep. At the bottom of this cup are welded four coil springs attatched to a metal plate which is in turn bolted into a large piece of wood that sits on your floor and can be attatched by bolting or nailing directly into the floor. (This can probably be done with minimal carpet damage)
The coil springs are from heavy automobiles and will hold the dummy erect, and at the same time give enough when you strike to get the proper feel. Our wall mounted dummmy is held in place with leaf springs for give.
Any ??? let me know...
Namaste.
thanks again for all the help, still working on which design to go with. Thanks for the help!
You didn't specify wing chun, so maybe this might be interesting:
http://www.taijiworld.com/Articles/Bagwazhang.html
Is the wooden dummy used primaryily in Wing Chun or is it used also in other kung fu stlyes?
"Watch the skies, the DRAGON flies!"
Northern Mantis and I have heard Choy Li Fut use a dummy.
I have Mantis dummy specs, but they are written in Chinese... If you can get them translated....
Does your Wooden Dummy move from side to side (on it's stand or rack)or is it just stationary? Should it have some play into it. I've seen both and I'm curious. Please explain your theory if any.
John
Have little and gain;
Have much and be confused.
The ones at our kwoon can slide left and right along the two horizontal 2" supports, and there is some 'bounciness' forward and back. This is supposed to represent the 'give' that a real human body would have to your strikes. Though Yip Man's original dummy in Fotshan was planted in the ground and was therefore pretty solid. He only used the modern frame because he didn't have any room for an outdoor dummy in Hong Kong and needed a way to mount one in his apartment. I think the 'give' in the modern dummies is more a side-effect of the way they must be mounted indoors rather than a deliberate attempt to recreate a human body's reactions. That being said, I don't really think it matters either which way. Dummies don't cry out in pain or go "SNAP!" when you stomp on their knees but I don't think that will ruin your technique when your attacker does. :D
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I am kinda leaning to it be completly stationary. Didn't they just stick the body of the mook into the ground?
Hello All,
There are two types of Wooden Dummy found in the Yip Man lineage, most have the same but some have more. For example, in Sum Nungs lineage they also have a bamboo dummy with nine arms. Kind of neat really :)
Anyhow here is the common break down, Live and Dead.
A Dead dummy is extended into the ground. This type of dummy has almost no play in it at all. It is very good for developement of a strong stance and for charging energy, ie very powerful forward pressure.
A Live dummy is the one that is usually supported by the two crossbeams in some fashion. There is usually some play from side to side as well as back and forth. This type of dummy reacts to the pressure given and provides some feedback which will not be present with the Dead dummy. If you exert force into the Live dummy and remain in contact you will develope more feeling and sensitivity as you will "feel" the return and have to deal with it. With the Dead dummy your stance will need to be stronger as the force will return to you from the ground. The Live dummy will allow some fo this force to dissipate.
One other thing, the square holes should alos allow a little play for the arms to move in. If you use a technique you can tell if it is correct by the position of where it ends up. For example doing a Right Bong Sau on the Left Dummy Arm the upper left portion of the arm should connect with the left edge of the whole, as you face the dummy. Also the dummy should trun slightly to your left as it absorbs the force.
Hope this is helpful.
Peace,
Dave
I am going to be building a Wing Chun dummy soon and was wondering if anyone had tips for making one. I would purchase one, but I don't want to spend $300+ on one then another $50+ for shipping. I was going to buy one from a martial arts supplier, but no one around me sells them, so I decided just to build one. I am gonna put the 3 arms on it and the leg base, put some padding on the head, but was wondering if anyone here had tips for making one. Or if there is a site that describes it in detail. Thanks.
You can find detailed plans, plus an electronic book that walks you through the whole process at www.wckfc.com.
I was reading through the forum and found other posts here about constructing one, so unless there is some new super method to it, no need for anyone else to post. Thank you, Watchman.
PHILBERT
I am almost done building mine. Here's what I did.
Body: Fine an 8 inch piece of PVC pipe. This will be about 8.6 inches outside diameter (make sure it's schedule 80, there is another kind called schedule 40 which isn't as thick, and therefore the outside diamter is under 8.5 inches).
Arms and Leg: I bought arms and leg from www.wooddummy.com They are the cheapest prices I've seen, and they sell just limbs.
Frame: Built from lumber at a hardware store.
The hardest part is getting the holes to be the correct size. First you have to cut them out, and then I ended up spending like at least an hour per hole filing them to the right size.
Measure everything twice, make sure you use a cloth measuring tape since you are working with a ROUND surface.
Don't use PVC pipe as limbs.
Don't buy the crappy PVC dummy from that one company, I forgot their name. It's entirely PVC, even with arms and legs of PVC. It's only 7 inches in diameter, to make things worse!!
PVC bodies with wooden limbs are good tho.
****, this is about the grammatically worst post I've ever made :)
Good luck building dude,
Iron
I to built my dummy out of pvc piping but to finish it i poured concrete in the body that cemented the arms an leg in place. you could also cap off the ends and fill it with sand. both of these make it much sturdier but make it a #itch to move. And what ever you do make sure you get the thick stuff other wise it'll explode on ya.
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"Walk on"
Check out my site buddy!!
It contains a wooden dummy plan, and wooden dummy techniques.
martialartstechniques.homestead.com/files/vechtsporten.html
It's in dutch, but just go to the technieken and kata's section and click under wing chun on page 1 and so one. Have fun!
Greetz,
Tom
Know what water is by drinking it.
Dude you filled your PVC dummy with concrete? Then the arms can't move, right?
And I've heard the thing about filling it with sand... but that doesn't make sense to me. It seems like you could only fill the bottom area up until the leg hole. If you filled it any higher the sand would just come out the holes, right?
Did anyone paint their PVC dummy? Did you use spray paint or what? Spray paint sometimes leaves a nasty coating that I wouldn't really want to be hitting, so any advice here would be cool.
Might I also add, don't buy the "attach mate" that says it can turn your heavy bag into a wooden dummy. Even tho I've never used one, it just looks and sounds really lame.
We should all post pictures of our dummies. Because, um, that would be cool, and I would like to see how other home made dummies look.
(warning, intense hate ahead)
Finally, don't buy a dummy from springtime martial arts, because they're expensive, and their lowest class model has like arms with square corners and the body is flat, not round. And then they sell that "makiwara man." Even funier is that their square mook jong is $850 dollars!!! That could buy TWO wooden dummies from other companies, and the other ones would would be of much higher quality. Then you still have to buy their $200+ stand. Right now their website seems to be missing pictures of their two lowest quality dummies, but if you want to laugh you can still go to:
Spring Time Martial Arts
The dummy with the square arms is still up, tho, but it's got a half-round body. The flat one is missing right now.
Iron
[This message was edited by Sihing73 on 06-30-01 at 02:46 PM.]
Nice job editing my message :)
Did I misspell "funnier" or was that you? I forgot how my original post went.
So, are we not allowed to openly bash and insult companies? Since you took out my bolded line of defamation, I assume this is the case :)
Well, sorry if what I posted was against some rules or something. I'll try to keep it clean next time I have a problem with a company :)
Iron
Hello,
Well, I tried to keep your opinions in the post and take out the, ahem, colorful language used in some of the descriptions ;)
This is in no way personal I just figured that as strongly as you feel you got the message across without the use of some of the language.
As to dissing specific companies I don't really have a problem per se just keep it clean. But hey, I may be old fashioned. The only thing I ask is that one has some experieince with the company before bashing them :p If you have some info to share that can keep someone else from getting burned then feel free to share it. But, the only thing I ask is to try and keep it clean.
Peace,
Dave
I disagree with iron fist concerning Springtime Martial arts dummies. First of all they produce a deluxe dummy that is proper in all demensions ans made with 100% cherry wood that is oiled and waxed. It is quite expensive, around $1300, but quite nice. As for their flat portable wooden dummy. Well, i bought one. with shipping it cost $210. It was very good quality and serves a good purpose. It is easy to take with you if you travel a lot, and does not take up much space. As for falt corners on body and arms-that is not so. They are planed down to have a nice curve on them. It of course is not the same as a real full size dummy. But for a student who does not have a lot of space or money works quite nice. You can still palm strike and kick the sides quite nice. Another good thing about this dummy is that it hardly makes any noise when you work out on it. I reccomended this dummy to one of my students who lives ina colleg dorm-saves space, easy to mount, cheap,and does not disturb others when you work out on it. I wished I had had one of these for my small flat when I lived in Hong Kong. Don't knock a product until you have actually used it or understand it's true purpose.
chongnoi,
I must admit their top line dummy looks very good, but still it is $1300. It better be bloody perfect for $1300.
" [flat one] Well, i bought one. with shipping it cost $210. It was very good quality and serves a good purpose."
Do the arms have play in them, or are they solid? j/w.
"It is easy to take with you if you travel a lot, and does not take up much space. As for falt corners on body and arms-that is not so. They are planed down to have a nice curve on them."
They look flat in the pic :P
"Don't knock a product until you have actually used it or understand it's true purpose."
But knocking products is so much fun :)
The entire point of my post was to say that I think there are other companies who make better products, for the money. If the flat dummy suits someone's needs the best, then by all means use that one!
Iron
Iron Fist: The arms are not solid mounted. They have play in them just like a full size dummy-but a much softer feel. It is nice working out on it as it gives a differnt feel than a regular dummy adn it seems to help with being able to stick tot he arms better as you move. Well, $1300 is quite exepnsive for their full size one-but cherry wood is quite expensive. My own personal mook jong is even more expensive and was made for me by a student. It is probably worth $2000. Body is Mahagoney. Arms and cross support slats are Teak. And the Leg is Zebra Wood. It is quite nice. For the money, two of my students purchased dummies from Ashville woodcrafters. www.wooddummy.com (???) that are really nice. They paid $750 for solid oak dummies and they are very good quality-That is who I would reccomend for wooden dummies. The worst dummies i have ever seen was one a student purchased from Cougar Mountain-over priced and poor quality workmanship. The portable dummy from Springtime was good quality and a good price and is really nce to work out on. They constructed it 100% from hard Yellow Pine and it has stood up to two years of beating so far! I have also had PVC dummies, but I prefer the portable over the PVC-I like the all wood feel. In Hong Kong, where I trained full time for 6+ months, the Ving Tusn Athletic Association has a donated dummy from Ling Ting's organization. It is okay, but you get a much better one from Ashville for the same price. And Ling Tings model has his stupid logo engraved in the front of it.
Chong,
Ashville rules! They made the arms and leg for me for my dummy. Their website could be a bit better, but their quality and prices are excellent. Another place wanted to charge me $350.00 for just arms and leg. I could get an entire dummy (PVC body) from Ashville for that price.
I see we agree on something :P
Another place that appears to have good dummies is great lion, www.woodendummy.net.
I might as well make a new thread talking about different dummy sites, since there are so many, and apparently other people are interested in this too. Be sure to reply to that.
Iron
i and i sports has good wooden dummies. www.iisports.com they're laminated and everything... and they're endorsed by randy williams :rolleyes:
how long would it take building a dummy anyway? about how much would it cost? thanks. ;)
wingchunwsl,
about this much:
8in inside diameter PVC pipe: $35 (approx)
arms and leg: probably around $130-160 depending on wood choice, etc, from www.wooddummy.com
Lumber: I dunno, depends on your frame.
Don't forget to factor in all the time you will spend working on it to build it, probably an hour or so fileing each hole to the correct size, then building the frame. Measure twice, cut once. Cut smaller holes, and file them to the proper size. Otherwise, you may cut the holes too big.
If you can afford it, you might want to consider buying a PVC one with wooden limbs from Great Lion or Asheville Woodcrafters, but remember that stands are extra.
Iron
Hello everyone,
For people looking for a wooden dummy,
A couple years ago I wanted a wooden dummy for my training. As anyone who has looked for a dummy knows, the selection is limited, the prices are high, and most of them will take over your entire house. I started looking at portable dummy's and I found PVC and plastic things that didn't look like they would last. I am an engineer by trade so I designed and built myself a free standing, portable wooden dummy. It fits in a corner, is made of actual wood, has a beautiful finish, and has been taking abuse for a couple years now. Everyone who saw it said, "You should be selling those". So a sometime later, after refining the original design and talking to people with more knowledge about WC than me, we are now offering a free standing, wooden dummy (actually made from wood) for a reasonable price. To check it out go to:
www.urbandummy.com
We were just at Dragon Fest so 'hello' to any of you guys I talked to there!
Why did you make the front of it flat?
j/w
Iron
Re quo quan's dummy. IMO it wont do much for a person learning wing chun moves.!
We received a great deal of feedback from many, many martial artists at Dragonfest (including one well known WC teacher). While there were a lot of questions and suggestions ("you could've done it this way or that way") everyone seemed to really like the design of the dummy. The main criticism was that the body should be more round, in response to this we are now looking at going to the rounded front dummy. As it says on the website, the dummy's are custom made to the users height. So in response to IronFist we will shortly be offering the dummy with a round front. As to yuenfan's opinion, everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion but the hundreds of WIng Chun people who tried the dummy didn't seem to agree with you. Let me emphasize, we are trying to offer a product that until now hasn't been available. An affordable, free standing wooden dummy that can be used by someone that lives in an apartment or who has limited room for training equipment. We have already sold quite a few dummies and everyone has been a satisfied customer.
quo quan- enough of the sales pitch. You have made your announcement.Good luck with your dummy.
You are not by any means the first to offer a free standing dummy or a height adjusted one. I am glad that you recognize the need for a round dummy body. There is more...
Gou Quan,
Excellent craftmanship with your dummy. It is truly a work of art. But my only problem, other than it not being round, is the base that you are using to support the dummy. I know it is difficult to judge by a picture. The base is not recessed enough for side entry, it is just too far out, preventing a person from stepping in.
As a Wing Chun practitioner, the dummy form has numerous entry techniques, requiring us to move into the dummy at an angle on both sides. I have my own portable, free-standing dummy, from Immortal. It is not made of wood like yours, but made of high density, compressed polymer. It feels and weighs as much as dummy made of oak. I keep it in my basement, which gets pretty damp. A wooden dummy would not be good, since it will crack with the changes in humidity. The base is small, and with the body of the dummy placed foward, for easy side entry. Check it out at:
www.immortal-usa.com
i'm sorry but i have to agree with yuanfen.
there are only 2 reasons why these people would like it if they say they are from wing chun.
1. they odviously really don't know wing chun
2. they are just being polite
there are reasons for the dummies shape, diametre, hieght, even down to the width of the frame if you want to be fastidious. if these need explaining then refer to piont 1. or wait til' your up to that part or the training.
i am not saying that there are not some drills that someone may come up with & find your dummy useful for(innovation is always good as long as it complies with wing chun fundermantals) but for the dummy form there is no substitute for a real dummy.(and no i don't mean me, your girlfriends/boyfriends, or the less interlectual in your classes.):rolleyes:
vts