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can this be right?
sure it can be right. lol
fenfen (the pet name for the drug they are speaking of) was removed from the US and Canadian markets because of risk of heart problems stemming from it's use and liver damage.
Everybody is different and will have different reactions to different substances.
Drugs are only withheld or released dependent upon the aggrigate reaction of all people who take them. There is a risk of damage r loss of life that is considered "acceptable" to drug manufactures.
For some less responsible, or less astute with research data companies, this risk is higher or lower than elsewhere.
might be more dangerous than mixing drinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyM.
camphor in tiger balm and lots of other similar balms are supposed to be poisonous too. i'm not sure how much you'd have to use before it starts doing some damage though
In the past 10 years or so many of the so called safe over the counter patent medicines have been tested and found to have many hidden drugs included in recipes as well as toxic residues of heavy metals and other chemicals.
Nothing wrong with reading a book and wanting to help yourself, but please get some advice from someone with training. i.e. an acupuncturist or chinese physician who can tell you exactly how to use patents and other herbs.
Way too many people in the US and North America as well as Europe seem to think that if one dose is good than 2 or 3 will be better.
People here have been talking about dit da jow for many years. Way too many people seem to think that its not a big deal to be using Ma Chien(strychnine) in dit da jow. This along with Aconite(Chuan Wu) are very toxic in minute amounts and can make you sick or kill you if they get into your blood stream.
be careful with herbs and talk to people who have been schooled. Its your health and you dont want to rish ruining it all for some myth or wivestale about the potency of certain herbs or formulae.
In Boston,
Dale Dugas
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Dugas
It's probably safe so long as you are clutivating chi at the same time. I know is dangerous if you use dit da jow in the western context - everyone knows that!
It is NOT safe to take poisons if you are "cultivating chi/qi". Hence the warnings.
Have you been watching too many movies or something? Poison will kill you no matter WHAT you do.
Brother, take heed and make sure if you use any medicine that you check it out with someone trained in Chinese medicine. There are a few brands that are clean, and much more expensive compared to the Chinese patents, but my health is the most important thing to maintain.
In Boston,
Dale Dugas
You don't seem to understand that serious form of iron body training needs chinese medicine and a lot of it. You need heat and chinese medicine and total concentration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Dugas
V,
Actually I do know what it needs as I have been training in Iron Palm and Iron Vest for for over 15 years. I also have 1.5 years of training at New England School of Acupuncture under my belt. I use internal as well as external medicines and make them myself. I have never bought anything other than raw herbs which I have prepared myself knowing exactly what is in them. You dont make them, then you don't know what is in them.
Some of the herbs used in Iron Palm medicine are toxic to ingest, but are useful used topically to draw Qi as well as open the meridians in the body to allow Qi to flow unimpeded.. There are many poisions used externally. Ingesting poisons is totally different and anyone telling me that I have to ingest aconite or other poisons is nuts in my mind. Plenty of other herbs to use that can create the same effects without endangering your life. I have been shown how to prepare many of the poisonous herbs and make them useful as well as non toxic. usually one has to soak them in some form of acid(usually urine) or salt water solutions and then bake them over and over to shed the toxic chemicals yet leaving the ingrediant sought.
I opt for using more of the non poisonous herbs as well as using internal herbs to augment my external liniment.
hence many sifu who are trained in Iron Palm/Hand and Iron Vest are wary of teaching anyone these skills. what you see in the magizines is not the whole program.
Hope this helps.
In Boston,
Dale Dugas
you need more than 15 yrs to train iron vest. My sifu also prepares the herbs himself, the recepies are a secret.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Dugas
So it's no good until you're older.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasquez
And then it's only good if you're in certian positions and you're given time to warm up with your qigong exercises before the other guy hits you. :D
You don't usually become a master until you've trained for 30 to 40 yrs anyway. Chi kung techniques take time to set up, but you get much more power when you're ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronFist
V,
I have been training for over 27 years so Im close to the 30 mark that you mentioned. Though I dont agree that you have to train in Iron Vest for over 15 years for it to become effective(that would be almost useless than from a practicial standpoint). Usually by that time you are able to be hit anywhere in your body and dissapate the strike so as to cause no harm. Also I find that Iron Vest training vamps up my Iron Palm training as well. I assume from building the qi and storing it in the major fascia of the body helps.
I have found that way too many people are into this whole secret herb thing. Chinese medicine is cheap as well as common. Only a few rare herbs are expensive, most are not. Most martial arts herbs have poisons in them that have to be prepared in a certain way with procedures or your going to get sick or poison yourself. Hence my original posting. The only secrets are to keep it out of fools' hands so they do themselves or others harm.
Most old school teachers will teach Dit Da healing skills along with fighting. Sadly many teachers today have none of this knowledge. That makes them only skilled thugs in my book. I was told you need to learn both sides of the coin, martial as well as healing to be considered a decent martial artist.
I count myself lucky to have acquired such knowledge. Learn all that you can from your Sifu that he has to offer, and then teach it when you understand it. Too much is kept in the dark when it can help so many.
Most of the time these days teachers use that secret herb thing to keep their students on a tight leash to buy from them and only them. Sad, but true in some cases.
Train well, V
Cheers,
Dale Dugas
A solid primer on Chinese "Hit/Fall" sports medicine, with theory and recipes can be found in Tom Bisio's book - "A tooth from the Tiger's mouth".
Good posts BTW Dale, are you doing the Tui Na stuff at the
school?
Best,
Pete
But Iron vest is such a rare skill, i don't think the herbs are that common either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Dugas
V,
Iron Vest and Iron Palm have become uncommon and rare in the world of firearms and other weapons. They are hard to do, boring, and eat so much of your free time that they almost seem not worth it for many people.
The herbs one uses are not that rare. Though the processes you need to create such an internal pill can be. Certain herbs must be cooked in wine, then sun dried. Others need to fried in vinegar then wine, then dried. Others need to be cooked in ginger juice and or baby urine( I kid you not). Then you grind them up add them to boiling honey and then make pills that you take for the first 3 months when you are starting the program. The version I learned has no hitting only a lengthy qi gong set, that terminates in sitting meditation to run the qi and then a special belt is used to help aid the organs to learn to seat themselves under the ribcage.
I agree with others that certain people should never learn these skills to cause harm to others. But the strength benefits outweigh the destructive damage you can learn.
Hope your training and your shifu and kwoon are well.
Peace,
Dale
yes, it takes the highest level of iron vest to stop a bullet and ppl don't have this skill anymore. but it takes weeks to learn how to shoot properly. lots of iron vest masters were killed in the boxer rebellion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Dugas
It's funny there is an article like that there,
and than ads for more herbs lol
Some ppl have been known to take small sips of tit da to strengthen their internal organs. Personally I won't recommend that - there is no short cuts to chi kung training.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnyk
V,
You do not sip Dit Da Jow for that reason. But to make sure your not bleeding internally when you doing any kind of pai da striking to the limbs or body. This includes iron palm training as well.
In Boston,
Dale Dugas
It'll take a lot of pai da training to stop a spear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Dugas
V,
The things you say are total lunacy.
Too bad you waste your time training nothing but stories and total crap.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasquez
I'll take a spear to your arse, and let me see if your Iron Vest will stop it.
Steve
Andy,
V is a total nutter. Look at what he posts on other threads. Hands down he is nothing but a troll and talks about things that exist only in his mind and movies.
Yunnan Paiyao has tien chi/tin chut in it, but there are some other herbs that are added to create a great powdered medicine that will clot wounds in a jiffy. The army developed something called Quikclot, along the same lines. V never really talked about anything. He is fishing for info like half the little kids here.
V's inuendos and tales from the "forbidden mountain" training are nice, but totally lack in a firm touch with reality.
V would be better off posting less and training more. You cannot stop swords with iron vest nor spears nor bullets. Such garbage lead the boxers to be killed when they were fired upon with firearms.
In Boston,
Dale Dugas
I don't get slapped around the arse as part of training. do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ho Chun
LOL you are just marginalising your chi kung potential. Maybe you don't have a traditional sifu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Dugas
I am just wondering, what did Vietnamise used that method for? Cuts, stabs?
Johnyk,
The Vietnamese used Yunnan Baiyao powder on their wounds, not use qi gong. Vasquez knows nothing, is a total troll and speaks out his behind. His knowledge is limited to the fantasy novels he reads and the crap he scrounges off the internet.
V is a true clown and skinny little stickboy who hides behind the crap he spouts. His statements are so whacked out you cannot understand half the garbage he spouts.
He does give us total entertainment value though.
He claims to live in Australia, have a Chinese sifu who teaches him a style that has never been heard of before.
Wudang Lohan style.
Never heard of it. As it probably doesnt exist. Never mentions said sifu's name nor anything that can be construed as meaningful or show us he trains. He really has nothing to offer us under this thread nor any other thread here on KFO.
Ignore him if you want or bait him and see what new quip of crap he can come up with.
Cannot write worth a **** either. He is the master of the one sentence posts. You think you could come up with more if he HAD anything resembling real training.
V,
I have been exposed to more fu than you can shake a stick at, mate. I do not think you live in Oz, as you use no Aussie euphimisms, no slang. I think your living in a total fantasy world of your own making. So be it, enjoy it. Just don't comment on things you know NOTHING about. You make yourself look like an arse.
V is yet another boy whose attempts at posting fail.
I am always ready for clowns like you, V.
What you say to that? Show us you have something under your sash other than your pants.
In Boston,
Dale Dugas
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Dugas
Chinese civilisation is 1000s of years older than ours. There're many things they have that you haven not heard of. My sifu is old and so is the style he teaches me.
V,
Your short paragram retorts are only serving to show your real persona. One of someone who claims to have this super secret squirrel sifu but cannot do/come up with anything other than post ****e on this forum.
The answers you give only show us here that your style is as I mentioned previously, made up. Why not give us your teachers name and his lineage? What region in Chung Gwo did the style originate? Forms, Formulae, Qi Gong/Hei Gong? Your attempts are pathetic, son.
You have no indepth knowledge of anything you have posted about. It is very plain to anyone who reads your posts.
Again you give me and the others some marginal entertainment value. So keep posting, son, its fun to bait you into digging yourself deeper and deeper into that hole.
Thanks.
In Boston,
Dale Dugas
guys,Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasquez
the iron vest was about blood control in the skin and subdermis. it was used to control blood flow into wounds so that they would knit faster, or prevent massive blood loss/bruising. it was never intended to stop a bullet or prevent a wound: just reduce the bleeding.
there are other hardening methods which will toughen the skin but will not deflect anything.
there became a popular belief durring the Ching/Manchu Rebellion (what the English called the Boxer Rebellion of th 1890's, not the Chinese Boxer Rebellion of the 1860's) that was proliferated by a group of monks whom claimed there was one whom could still do iron palm technique so well as to turn ball from a musket at 100 yards. swatting a hot lead ball travelling 650fps is a heck of a lot different than being bulletproof.
Thanks for stating the obvious.
V was the one who mentioned the c r a p about stopping bullets. My god this person is a total nutter who knows NOTHING about training in real iron arts.
Stopping bullets and knives and all that fantasy novel crap.
V has been outed as nothing more than a child with dreams of granduer.
In Boston,
Dale Dugas
Also depends on the calibire. A bullet proof vest cannot stop a knife stab. but Iron vest training can stop bladed weapons. shouldn't it mean it can stop bullets?Quote:
Originally Posted by YuanZhideDiZhen
actually V they have vests that stop blades AND bullets. But like technology is sometimes can be countered.
Believing Iron Vest can stop bladed weapons is a joke. Hence your a joke for believing that it can do that.
You able to comprehend this? It seems you cannot. You would be great if you could take your apparent interest in MA and train for real rather than the fairy like material you claim to train with.
In Boston,
Dale Dugas
No. But I agree alot of the masters were killed during the boxer reballionQuote:
Originally Posted by Dale Dugas
V,
Your one mindedness(most would say ignorance) on these high level subjects astounds us.
Train more, boy, and then wake up as your mythical training will get you and anyone else who believes that crap, killed.
Why not just meditate and turn into superman you misguided child?
Train more post less crap and you will see progress.
In Boston,
Dale Dugas
vas,
when you can prove you've learned from a knowledgable master post a vid and invite dale to it.
if you believe that it is a faith system then develop your faith in that system and practice the technique with deep wounds.
part of the technique is from the healing arts. part from moving qi qong. part from iron palm. the actual story relate it as "iron flat" which could be misinterpreted as "iron shirt".
to practice the technique from a traditional POV: get an expert archer to 'william tell' you. if you can block the arrows at a distance of 7 yards you are on the right track for skill development. a light arrow at seven yards is going abiout as fast as a .45 to .56 caliber musketball at 300 yards. these balls weighed between 1/4 to 3/4 ounce. if you used a black powder rifle that can take a 150 grain pyrodex load you are at twice the power of an 3-band enfield the general load was 75 to 90 grains depending on where in the empire you were stationed. in china it was 78.
lots of numbers but wha's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by YuanZhideDiZhen
Nothing as the two of you are totally insane.
Your the laughing stocks of KFO, if you didnt figure it out yet.
Go figure...
I'm not asking you to stop a 0.50 cal bullet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Dugas