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It sounds like a very good program to showcase different MA styles across the states.
MTV is martial TV or musical TV?
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Well... lots of "Do", but not enough "Fu". The cast is the usual MTV formula. I wonder how they'll work in a secret relationship and a hot tub... I watched maybe 5 minutes of it and turned it off.
TV bad... I'm gonna go train.
Wow that def takes my vote as worst show ever. I would rather watch the kung fu k-9 on the family channel.
With everyone being TKD and Karate shouldnt they have called it Final Do(rk)?
And they threw in a Wing Chun "master" as a fight judge. well thanks for the thought Reyes, but no thanks. I guess you had to be able to do 10ft spinning back kicks to get on the show. Cause if you cant kick bigfoot in the face your not a Martial artist.
what a stupid challenge "bull in a china shop" well the bull part is right. These guys didnt even have to kick the targets. I think i saw that same challenge on family double dare!
In the fight in the end the points were like 75 to 86....thats like 20 or 30 blows landed each.....and neither one got hurt...WTF? They should have just had a breakdance battle.
I wish I had four hands, So I could give it four thumbs down!
MTV2 should stick to reruns of punked and the Andy Milanocis show.
I am sure i will watch it again.....its like slowing down for a car crash. Kinda the same way i get stuck watching benny hinn perform his christian healing majic. Its so horrid but i cant make myself look away......
I caught the last ten minutes of an episode last night. The two guys with the lowest points had to "spar." They called it light contact sparring or some such, but when one guy made the slightest of contact with the other guy's head, they warned him, then deducted a point. It looked like an old school girly girl slap/pillow fight. One guy had the other one backing up the whole fight, was totally dominating him in their little silly game of tag, and still lost on points.
There's an XMA guy on the show, and they actually list that as his style. Nuff said.
I've said before on these boards that point sparring is the devil (more or less). It actually trains people to be worse fighters than if they had no training at all. Just watch an episode, and my point will be made, you'll see guys wading into each other throwing rapid fire strikes without any structure (because raw number of hits is all that counts), and without any effort to protect their heads.
My favorite part is the collective delusion among the participants. It takes me back to some of my very early training. The people participating really think that their performance in this competition represents some indication of genuine martial prowess, like the guy that can do a flying spinning back kick the highest and ****hest is the most dangerous person on the planet. I just can't believe there are still people who are so naive.
This show sucks ever so badly, because I also can't look away from such a trainwreck.:o
I feel like if this show goes on for another season, its ratings will mostly be contributed to 8 year old kids and people who can't stop watching its atrocity.
I haven't seen FINAL FU because it's MTV and I don't get MTV. But I think the concept of a martial arts reality show is intrinsically interesting. Didn't some American network do some sort of action star/stunt person reality show? And wasnt' Chuck Norris going to do something? Or did that morph into his team NHB show? I've heard there's one going in the UK - is it called FIGHT CLUB? China has a very popular one going right now called K-STAR. It's been going since April 2006 and they just held auditions in LA.
Are there more martial arts reality shows? I don't watch a lot of TV and I generally hate reality shows, um, except for America's Top Model :o .
I friend of mine was telling me of a fight club type show that features sillicon Valley type nerds beating each other up with key boards and/or other equally absurd weapons of choice. Has anyone else seen such a show?
25 grand on the line. That alone makes me wish I made it back in time for the auditions last december. They mentioned they might call me back if they do a second season, so I hope it does well. A lot of these guys fight like pure TKD guys in that they look clueless in close range or are just spasming out with punches. The sparring matches are pretty much TKD matches allowing light leg contact and no head contact. I wonder how a good ole po pai would hold up in that environment. Btw, does anyone recognize that Wing Chun Master named Eric? Who is he? I didn't get a good look at him, but is that Eric Oram?
Tell us more about that, Eliver! We'd love to hear details.
Here are some links I just poached off jiayo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68kDGadsbvQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3mjcRVnJV4
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Well, I was finishing up my last month studying abroad in Taiwan last december when I saw the ad. I was going to return on the 20th, which was a little bit past the end of the auditions, but they saw my resume and were willing to give me a look and said they'd call me. When I got back, I didn't have any messages on my cell phone. Apparently, they left me a message the night before on the 19th. But I didn't get it until the night of the 21st. So when i finally called them back, they told me they already closed the auditions but would be willing to give me a look if they do this another season. I didn't feel too bad though. I'd actually like to get even better if I'm going to be representing wing chun. Showing from the clips, I think if i learned the dragon pole training, it might help.
so i watched the trainwreckof a show last night too. the one guy's style is EMC (extreme monkey combat). he said he and his friend made it up and he is a master of it. when these words came out of my television i actually punched myself in the face. i hope i gave myself a loud and clear message in case i am tempted to watch it again. furthermore, i feel as though any style that has the word extreme in it should automatically pull a jim jones (that would be so EXTREMEly awesome).
Everyone that has anything to do with that show deserves an "extreme asswhoopin'.
I think its would be a bad idea for any real fighter to go on that show.
Wing chun especialy. The challenges and more so the sparing would be super stacked against you i.e. jumping kick worth 3 points. How much do we train ariel kicks in wing chun. And these challenges. you really dont need and fighting ability at all. Not to mention i just know that I would get kicked off first time i tried to fight because when the fists start flying i am going to punch one of them dudes in the face without thinking about it and knock thier ass out.
The only challenge i kinda wanna see are the one where they have to hold the bowls on thier arms and keep em stait long as pos.....who wants to bet these TKDers all drop it in no time.
yeah, that's one thing I don't like. They're encouraging a lot of spinning and flying with the 3 point shots. I've done TKD for a long time as well, so I have no problem flying around if need be. But I'd probably feel like a kid in a toy store for the very first time if they allow leg kicks. Especially with all these guys flying around. In close range, like I said, all the guys we've seen just spasm out like they're having a seizure or they start running away. It looks like they'd be pretty screwed against someone who can hold their centerline (without grabbing) and start tapping away at their ribs. I'm actually looking forward to seeing the black guy who does boxing and kenpo just so i can see someone who will use his hands.
You'd also have some guys who try to turn it into full contact like that one white TKD dude (wow, that really narrowed it down didn't it?) last night. The second you try shoving your ego onto me like that with just kicks, i'm taking your leg out.
In the end, it's 25 grand. That's a lot of money I can use for tuition with my sifu and sihing and even possibly some BJJ classes on the side.
I only have local TV channels. May be I will update my cable subscrpition.
There are many ways to have "game shows" on the TV.
May be call it fighting game show and not final or ultimate fu!
1. jepardy for MA history, theory and philosphy.
History for 200.
Dong Hai Chuan. Who is the creator of Ba Gua Zhang.
Zhang Sen Feng. Who is the daoist priest theoried Tai Chi Quan.
--- who is the first teacher/ o sensei of Aikido.
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2. pushhands, Shuai Jiao etc etc game shows.
3. look at the move or posture and name the move and the style.
white crane spread wing, yang tai chi.
Shun Shi Zhang the third old palm Cheng Ba Gua.
4. watch a clip and name the actor and movie. listen to a theme song and name the movie.
Shaolin soccer, Zhou Xing Chi 2001?
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etc etc.
:D
It's a pretty sucky show. It makes MA look really lame and nerdy. I doubt it will make anyone want to learn it with those fights. The contact level is extremely limited (I used to think the Taji Legacy refs were restrictive on contact).
Even with all that....I haven't missed an episode. I feel like I have to support it even though it sucks.
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I agree with the Benny Hinn comment; but it's not like watching a car crash.
It's like watching 2 retards driving bumper cars made out of nitro glycerin with babies strapped to the front.... I just could not stop watching.
I've only watched maybe 1 or 2 full episodes. From what I've seen so far the girls had the best fight, with the young latina scoring a knockdown off a nice body shot.
I'd love to get an audition by kicking like a TKD/XMA dweeb and then show up to the taping, bust out a full ram muay, and break some of them metro-lookin dudes.
"WARNING! No head contact! uhhh i think we're gonna have to wake him up.... Can anyone call a doctor?!?"
Poor Ernie Reyes man... He's fought under Saekson & can really go... I guess it's karma tho... i mean he did help bring about the era of the sport karaddy...
I hear ya, Shaolindynasty. MTV is a novel platform to showcase martial arts. It's an interesting sign of our times. But I haven't seen anything yet beyond the youtube stuff. That looks entertaining, but it's only a few minutes long. A whole episode might not be so. I'll withhold judgement until I see it. It reminds me of this old episode of Fantasy Island where these two martial artists had to duel through a breaking obstacle course. They were actors so it was totally fake. I saw it with my cousin, the one who actually got me started in kung fu, and we laughed our heads off. We found it very entertaining, even though it wasn't 'good.'Quote:
I feel like I have to support it even though it sucks.
i remember when this came out, i got a call from one of the producers, who i met a while back, they told me they got alot of mmixed ma and other style but no kung fu! when i sent them some guys i knew who were good at kung fu, they didn't want them cause it didn't look like tkd! suck right!!!! that shows you they don't even know what they want
Yeah it's entertaining. It's entertaining in an extremely cheesy way. I find myself yelling "oh c'mon!" at the tv allot with a disgusted look on my face.Quote:
But I haven't seen anything yet beyond the youtube stuff. That looks entertaining
From an entertainment standpoint there is only one real problem. I don't know what the hell is going on and how do you win? I'm not talkin about the matches but the whole show.
For instance if you lose the challenge then you fight. Makes sense right? Yet if you lose your challenge but win your fight you'll end up with more points than the guy who came in first. So in order to win you need to lose the most?:confused:
It's hard for me to understand. I know people without MA tournament experience are gonna be like, WTF?:confused:
I feel like I have to support it but it'll probally be a long time before MTV does anything with MA again.
BTW, I expect the TKD style to be prefered in the contest. That's Reyes main style
I just saw the last 10 min of this show on MTV2. It was like a reality show with stunts and eliminations and they had to spar at the end, but no head contact. It's hosted by Ernie Reyes Jr., but I didn't recognize him until they gave his name at the end.
Go to the Martial Media forums... there's a topic in there about it.
The name, Final Fu, SuxAzz.
The stunts and challenges highlight what's wrong with most.
And the fighting at the end makes me cringe.
It's everything that I hate about the martial arts rolled into one horrible show.
The only good thing that I can say about it is it's only 30 minutes long and not an hour. If they really wanted to show how bad what is currently taught in many martial arts schools, they'd have them doing musical kata dressed like Teletubbies.
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Lol, I love watching bad MA's, I will have to check it out.
Hmm, appears to be a US remake of a British show called "fightschool" from about 4 years ago.
Man, they might as well call this show "slap fu", because that's what a lot of the fighters were doing when they "fought" each other.
This show isn't bad. I can understand the point based system, its in place to give the girls in the show a chance against the guys when they fight each other.
The obstacle courses determine who's going to fight, and it also gives you points. The entire competition is point-based. If you win the courses, and the fights, you'll win the competition overall.
One thing this show proves is that hot girls still prefer TKD over any other MA. :eek:
You know what the sad part is? I find myself watching the blasted thing. I do the samething with some info-mertials.
If there were any kung fu they would be punching the targets that were head high and kicking the targets that were waste level. just a-nother example of a great TKD guy with money trying to make his korean art the best. Kung fu rules. this show has potential and I see where the head judges descision is final but it is so gay they should call it make an ass of your self fu. and generally discrase all martialarts fu to get on TV.
when the hell is this on???
They really made a mistake by not including nerf weapons and mexican wrestler masks.
heavy on the ghey that show is. lol
america's martial arts are sooooo commercial. The value of them is sucked right out and tossed in the trash in favour of the flash and stupid ass posing.
too bad, But then, I guess it keeps the herd away from teh good stuff if they are always wtareing themselves at that trough.
hahaha. suckers.
Hey anyone remember when Ernie Reyes Jr. was on that show "Sidekicks" in the 80's....wasn't Chuck Norris on there also?
Anyhoo, this XMA type of crap will always end up on TV because it looks flashy.
"Real" martial arts is pretty boring to watch.
FP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot7hB...earch=capoeira ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fu-Pow
yeah, i cant stop watching that stupid show either. i hate it but i cant look away which makes me hate it more. anyway, i finally understand why people think martial arts are BS. This is the what America sees when they think of MA. Its depressing. i cant believe they give more points for jumping spinning kicks. its such an impractical attack. i am going to go now. i am sad.
That was the worst i have ever seen.
Take some 10 year old kids put some gloves on them and you would have a more entertaining show of skill.
I cant even believe that it made it to tv, nor can i believe the participants would even show their faces.
I saw 1 episode. guy was rolling around like monkey. and they are saying wow check out his wonderful display of skill. Had to puke after that one...
I still stand by my original comment on this show:
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If you win the courses, and the fights, you'll win the competition overall.
No you won't. That guy Matt came in first on one challenge placed high in the rest. Won all his fights but came in 5th place and was kicked off the show. Meanwhile the girl that placed in the top 4 pretty much lost everything she was in
Maybe grand prize for final foo' should be a spot in next season's "The Ultimate Fighter" ;) :D
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You know, I'd actually pay to see that one...:D
you wouldn't even have to pay for that one my friend, i'd have a viewing party at my house & we'd all watch it together...bring your own bottle :cool:
you know it will never happen though, at such high levels of proficiency these guys can't break out their best moves: "our moves are t3h d34dly, way too intense for sport" :rolleyes: It's for the good of humanity of course.
So I just got through watching the fights on MTV Overdrive.
I've seriously seen better fights at point competitions. The only good technique in the entire show was the left hook to the throat. Dude went dooowwwwnn!
Anyways, i'll never watch it again. It's disgusting.