Does any one in here have an knowledge of Chi Lin?
Thanks
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Does any one in here have an knowledge of Chi Lin?
Thanks
Qilin, the Chinese Unicorn?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_unicorn
use the white unicorn fist too often, and you will have serious Chi loss
lol, I should have been more specific.....
http://chi-lin.net/ is more along the lines of what I was refering to.
Thanks
OH MY F-IN LORD!
I just followed your link!
He's still out there!
RUN, RUN NOW, RUN FAR AWAY
ok, maybe I am retarded.....probably am....but why such strong fealings? I have been taking Chi Lin for sometime, I am not experienced in any other for of Kung Fu, is it that bad?
thanks.....I think :)
are you studying under "Master Decker"? I know some guys whom were students of his for a short period of time.... he "abused" their loyalty and trust in ways I can not explain on a public forum
no Master Decker is dead, I train under Sifu Stephen Robinson, who is 3rd in lineage from Master Decker. The style is very combative and straight forward, rooted and geared toward multiple oponents. I was curious if anyone knew of its roots. Do you know much about the style? Feel free to email me anything you think not appropriate for the forum.
thanks
I met 'master' Decker years ago - he had a group in the midwest under the tutelage of a dysfunctional police officer who took joy in hurting others. Decker himself was a raving h@m@ who would beat on students with a stick, then insist they hug him after class. Really creepy.
This was the first 'kungfu' style I ever came across. It was not completely without merit - although even his top guys out here laughed about the crazy histories Decker taught - they were fine with him having made it all up. It is apparently a mix of Pai Lum, Ying Jow, Hung Ga and other stuff. What the Dutch-Indo guys would call a 'combinasi'.
A later coach of mine, and a very skilled CMA teacher watched him on video and commented that most of it looked 'made up' but i quote 'that motherf@ker has some skill.'
So to summarize, there are generations of wierd behavior starting with the system founder, but the method is no worse than much of the 'kung fu' that is out there, but the things thay claim may not sync up with reality in the CMA world.
Some of the lessons I learned from these guys I consider very valid material, but the disgust I feel at the memory of thier character leaves me feeling ill every time I think of them.
Mas Judt
thanks for the insight :)
I have very little experience with Kung Fu....I took TKD and Hung Gar and now I take Chi Lin under Stephen Robinson..he has combined Hung Gar, Tavon, Chi Lin and kick boxing to make up what we learn. He never knew Decker, but his Sifu did but it seems as thought the history is very jumbled, to put it mildly. Thankfully Sifu is not so wierd.....cause yeh, the whole hugging thing would not happen :)
I know most of the names in Chi Lin are the same as ching wu, so I had guessed that there was some connection to northern shaolin.
Nice to see that its not completely with out merit...
thanks again
I dunno, the sets and material taught back then were not entirely chin wu..
lemme see if I remember:
'wu shing wu" 108 sef defense
Tan Tui (ten line)
Sempai Godan & Rokudan [Forms taught to Karate guys to start to break them of karate habits]
King Mantis
Iron Butterfly [Inagoddadavida?]
Tiger & Crane [Obviously based on the Hung Ga, but with a very different flavor, remnicent of the Black Tiger system]
There was more, but this was decades ago....
Again, compared to much of what was available back then, it was really good. But man, the teachers of the system were a f@cked up bunch.
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I met 'master' Decker years ago - he had a group in the midwest under the tutelage of a dysfunctional police officer who took joy in hurting others. Decker himself was a raving h@m@ who would beat on students with a stick, then insist they hug him after class. Really creepy.
Think you hit it on the head there. Never met the guy but being in Pai Lum myself I heard some stories that just made you shake your head. I've seen video's of him and honestly probably one of the most skilled individuals that I've ever seen. Heard he died of AIDS, not sure on that though. So many stories about the guy and the strange stuff he did. I know of a Mike Snyder whom lives close to me and is a very skilled individual who teaches Chi lin. Tight nit group from what I know, my sifu trained in the system for a bit. Other than that, all I know is they have some similar forms from other systems, but now days who knows where they actually came from especially the Tiger Crane set.Quote:
A later coach of mine, and a very skilled CMA teacher watched him on video and commented that most of it looked 'made up' but i quote 'that motherf@ker has some skill.'
There are actually 2 guys in Huntington WV that teach Chi Lin....Daniel Honaker and Stephen Robinson (the later being my Sifu). Both are very skilled MAs. Neither talk to much about the Chi Lin history....now I know why :) Dragonzbane76, what area of the country are you from? Do you still train in the Chi Lin system?
thanks for all the info guys.....I think :) not sure I should have ever asked...lol oh well
Never trained in it myself, my teach did for a good while. Which most of the stuff filtered down to us through him. One form I really liked from that system was Iron Dog. I've actually got my teacher on video doing some of the forms from there, Sun dragon, and a couple weapons forms.
Your teachers are about 3 hours away from me.:) Actually I live 15min. away from Morgantown WV.
OMG. (Too much inside information.)
Yeah, I met Decker back in the 80's. Hard to evaluate my opinions as I did not know then what I know now... but he seemed like a phenom to me then, and the students he brought with him were very, very good to my Judo trained eyes. The applications he taught in class were strange, but his students could certainly fight.
I won't knock the system or the man's skill, but the predatory nature and low moral character a real turn off when you are in a MA scenario. Only later did I learn how depraved the guy was.
But this does not mean his current guys aren't good players or good people. Just keep your eyes open.
Um, I'm referring to martial arts skill when talking about what I know/knew.
It was obvious how creepy he was even then. Once I recall even being recruited to help steer him away from 'vulnerable' students.
Yikes.
Morgantown.....who is your teacher...do you train in Kung Fu?
yeh, I am kinda gathering that the guy was d@mn creepy.
Thank God my Sifu is not like that LOL.
Once you penetrate the surface, there are a lot of creepy people out in CMA scene. Fortunately, the decent folks still out number them...
Oh, and the 'Chi Lin' symbol is a direct rip from Chiu Chi-in's Hung Ga association logo....
Here is a popular kali player in the chicagoland area who has some serious issues.
http://www.isp.state.il.us/sor/offenderdetails.cfm?SORID=E96F5878&CFID=582217&CFT OKEN=35425925&jsessionid=90306c7305bfI$10Yt$B
Plus was not that iron palm player Bryan Gray sentanced for messing around with kids?
Sadly, I knew Nate before this happened. I never would have guessed he had that in him. You really need to know who you train with.
It's scary how many f@cked up teachers I've stumbled across. Thankfully I have known more who were good people.
All this info 'coming out' about predatory behavior makes one realize why clinching the sphincter is critcal day one training in CMA....
My teachers were Sifu McClain and Sifu McCullough. I currently have my own class I teach along with another member of this board at Fairmont ST. I teach Pai Lum/Judo/MMA/ all around stuff. Primary is Pai Lum which was my base style if you would call it that.Quote:
Morgantown.....who is your teacher...do you train in Kung Fu?
Haha... good form reminded me of a hung ga form, but i wouldn't classify it as such. Many would be the furious hung ga if I stated it so. LOL :)Quote:
MAS, MAS, MAS!
He said "iron dog"
Dragonzbane76,
I didnt realize there was a kung fu scene in Morgantown, I am up there periodically, next time I will have to look up your school, if it is an open school?
HAHA well you have to look for it.
Sure thing man give me a PM and work out the details. I'm not in morgantown exactly but yeah if your up this way come on over and have a work out.
rock on man, I will for sure!
our Kung Fu scene here is not so hot, we have 2 schools here.....
but we have about 200 TKD schools :)
Coincidentally, I'm running an article on Chinese unicorns in our next issue (not the Jan+Feb 2013, the Mar+Apr 2013). I am totally serious about this.Quote:
Lair of King Tongmyong's Unicorn Reconfirmed in DPRK
Pyongyang, November 29 (KCNA) -- Archaeologists of the History Institute of the DPRK Academy of Social Sciences have recently reconfirmed a lair of the unicorn rode by King Tongmyong, founder of the Koguryo Kingdom (B.C. 277-A.D. 668).
The lair is located 200 meters from the Yongmyong Temple in Moran Hill in Pyongyang City. A rectangular rock carved with words "Unicorn Lair" stands in front of the lair. The carved words are believed to date back to the period of Koryo Kingdom (918-1392).
Jo Hui Sung, director of the Institute, told KCNA:
"Korea's history books deal with the unicorn, considered to be ridden by King Tongmyong, and its lair.
The Sogyong (Pyongyang) chapter of the old book 'Koryo History' (geographical book), said: Ulmil Pavilion is on the top of Mt. Kumsu, with Yongmyong Temple, one of Pyongyang's eight scenic spots, beneath it. The temple served as a relief palace for King Tongmyong, in which there is the lair of his unicorn.
The old book 'Sinjungdonggukyojisungnam' (Revised Handbook of Korean Geography) complied in the 16th century wrote that there is a lair west of Pubyok Pavilion in Mt. Kumsu.
The discovery of the unicorn lair, associated with legend about King Tongmyong, proves that Pyongyang was a capital city of Ancient Korea as well as Koguryo Kingdom."
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North Korea Has Found a Secret Unicorn Lair, Apparently
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"Archaeologists of the History Institute of the DPRK Academy of Social Sciences have recently reconfirmed a lair of the unicorn rode by King Tongmyong, founder of the Koguryo Kingdom," reports the — wait. Stop. UNICORNS? That's an actual snippet from a report from the Korean Central News Agency, the state news agency of North Korea and fine, okay, we totally understand that this might be a retaliatory joke in response to China getting fooled by The Onion naming Kim Jong-un the Sexiest Man Alive or something.
But experts don't lie, do they?
Jo Hui Sung, director of the Institute, told KCNA:
"Korea's history books deal with the unicorn, considered to be ridden by King Tongmyong, and its lair.
And these are the history books Hoi Sung is talking about :
The Sogyong (Pyongyang) chapter of the old book 'Koryo History' (geographical book), said: Ulmil Pavilion is on the top of Mt. Kumsu, with Yongmyong Temple, one of Pyongyang's eight scenic spots, beneath it. The temple served as a relief palace for King Tongmyong, in which there is the lair of his unicorn.
And there's more. It's not like this is a National Enquirer/Bat Boy type of fleeting story. This one has significance It looks like North Korea is using the unicorn lair to prove a bigger point:
The discovery of the unicorn lair, associated with legend about King Tongmyong, proves that Pyongyang was a capital city of Ancient Korea as well as Koguryo Kingdom.
Taking into account that this is the same country with news agencies telling their people that mountains cry and birds lament when Kim Jong-il died and did so because he was sent down from the cosmos to destroy the Japanese to sink holes in one and that's totally normal, this isn't too far-fetched of a — you know what? I give up.
Note: As a commenter has pointed out, western ideas of a unicorn and Korean ideas of a unicorn are a bit different and a unicorn is called a Qilin in Korea. It's still a mythical creature. You can see the Qilin here.
It is incredible how many diverse groups of ancient people came up with dragons and unicorns. I mean, could all these societies have had communication thousands of years ago?
Not just Asian cultures either, you'll find dragons and unicorns in books and artwork through the Himalayas, the Middle East, Europe, the Bible, ect... ect...
Do we all have the same imagination, or was it more...just saying...
First off, what we name things may not be what things were.
Second, just because we don't have those things NOW< doesn't mean they never were.
3rd, things aren't always what they seem...
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/29259726.jpg
How come everyone on the history channel nowadays seems like one of those characters??:eek:
Unicorn is definitely a mistranslation of Chilin (or Qilin 麒麟) which is a common mythological creature in Asian legend. I imagine Asians would have as much difficulty translating Chimeara.
As for this author, hasn't he ever been to a Japanese restaurant? :rolleyes:
http://www.kirin.com/portals/0/image...iban_light.jpg
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North Korea 'Secret Unicorn Lair' May Have Belonged To Beast With Dragon Head, Deer Body, Cow Tail (PHOTO)
Posted: 12/08/2012 11:59 am EST | Updated: 12/08/2012 12:06 pm EST
Was it a unicorn or something even more bizarre?
In a bizarre twist to the earlier claim that archeologists had found a secret unicorn lair in North Korea, new reports claim that the liar may not have been the stomping grounds of the legendary animal after all. Instead, the fabled resting place, located in Pyongyang, may have belonged to this mythical mishmash of a beast:
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/895056/original.jpg
mythical north korean creature unicorn
(Courtesy: Gawker Media)
Citing a report on the International Business Times, Gizmodo's Jesus Diaz, who put the composite image of the strange animal together, writes:
[T]he magic unicorn was based on a "mistranslation" of the original study. The reality is that the unicorn lair was actually the nest of a "beast with a dragon's head, a deer's body, the tail of a cow, hooves and a mane."
I put together the illustration above so you can clearly picture this amazing beast. It's definitely not a unicorn.
The "magical" animal hideaway made headlines last month when a North Korean state news agency reported the bizarre news that archaeologists had found "the lair of a unicorn once ridden by an ancient Korean king."
According to an earlier Huffington Post report, Korean Central News Agency claimed that the "lair of the mythical creature is located 200 meters (about 219 yards) from the Yongmyong Temple in Pyongyang. A rock that sits in front of the lair contains carvings that some believe date back to the period of the Koryo Kingdom (918-1392)."
However, experts have since asserted that a mistranslation of the original Korean had likely led to the misuse of the word "unicorn" to describe the lair's former occupant.
Sixiang Wang, a Korean scholar, explained to i09 that "Kiringul," the name archeologists used to describe the lair, has nothing to do with unicorns.
James Grayson, emeritus professor of Korean studies at Sheffield University, told the Guardian that the confusion had centered on the translation of the word kirin or qilin, which he describes as "a four-legged beast with a dragon's head." Sukyeon Cho, a colleague of Grayson's, added that kirins have "the body of a deer, the tail of a cow, hooves and a mane, as well as a horn jutting out from the top of their heads."
Hmm.