How many threads do we need to argue "TCMA vs. MMA"? Have we said everything that we want to say. Is there anything new that we have not yet covered?
Do we run out of meaningful discussion subjects in this forum? :(
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How many threads do we need to argue "TCMA vs. MMA"? Have we said everything that we want to say. Is there anything new that we have not yet covered?
Do we run out of meaningful discussion subjects in this forum? :(
I say we shut down every thread that goes that way.
we should go back to talking about tai chi wrestling.
problem is, every time a new guy joins the forum, he has to bring this up.
Without being total dix like at bullshido, we can politely him the situation and let him know how to access the archived threads.
I propose a discussion on the pros and cons of mexican wrestling as a legitimate fighting style for MMA.
I'll start.
Pro. Masks are cool
Con. Can't climb the cage for aerials.
I know what your saying YKW,
I say we add an entire 'Kung Fu Vs. MMA' forum and put it at the top of the list. That way it all gets put in there and the 'Kung Fu' forum can be more in depth.
Seriously.
I think we should have a link to trollshido.
It would be like a trap door.
Just do like the "Is Shaolin Do for real?" thread and make one monster thread.
Actually, wait until this fades and see how empty this place gets. This seems to go in cycles. Crap threads dominate. Been that way since the KFO days.
Hey Bawang,
Isn't it almost cold enough to eat the Dog? Got any good recipes?
Is it like 'Dog 2 ways' or?
Drake, you sound cranky, still living on them MREs? You getting short yet?
If you
- train TCMA, you will never say that TCMA is not effective.
- don't train TCMA then why do you want to join in any TCMA discussion?
I was in Judo forum once. One guy said, "You are not even a Judoka. Nobody care about your opinion. Why are you still hanging around here?" I left that forum quickly after that and never looked back. That guy was right. I don't train Judo and I should not get involve with Judo discussion at all (even if Chinese wrestling is very similar to Judo).
As TT said, a lot of newcomers (and some old-timers) will always bring up the old argument and think they're being original.
The key is to just not respond to those types of threads/posts, if we don't like them. The problem is, people always do respond. Then it becomes a protracted argument (not a debate) that goes on for pages and pages. Over and over again.
It won't stop until we stop ourselves from responding. I'm not saying don't debate; we need disagreements. It's how you learn. But the TCMA vs. MMA name-calling is beyond a dead horse; it's long since decomposed.
I understand that. I don't like it when people make sweeping negative statements about CMA either. The problem is, by constantly responding to those types of posts, we then prevent any meaningful discussion, because the negative types will derail every thread, knowing they'll get the attention they crave. It really is that simple.
For the longest time, I lurked and posted only in the southern forum, where things were really more about lineage battles than style battles. :D:D:D
Main forum, well, you know, the generous provider of this resource pays for it through advertising, meaning 'bums on seats'. A lively irrational argument about theoretical BS, with a full dose of trolling makes for a couple rounds of nachos for Gene, which I believe he is known to share as well....
But, ultimately, its up to each of us to control ourselves. You don't have to participate in those redundant arguments more than a couple of times to learn.
Yup, just make an MMA vs TMA forum and put all threads relating to it in there and be done with it. Let them go on about it all they want. it would sure help clean up the general forum.
Maybe I'm guilty of this, but I had fun doing the research and got to touch on some stuff that's interesting to me - like what techniques I learned from cma that I use all the time in sparring.
Granted, the bickering's not productive, but I'll take any excuse I can to talk shop.
Want to "protect the honor" of TCMA. Post clips like this that would be great examples of TCMA being effective and would show you actually know what you are talking about.:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=789_1328390550
Instead of ones like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc4Ubxy54vE
that only show you've got zero understanding of realistic techniques and only give people more ammunition against you.
Do you know who is the person in that clip? Those are all his students.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZouSsrTGNE
Do you not see the irony of posting clips of a teacher teaching techniques that you claim are realistic and then posting clips of his students going live and not a single one of them is able to pull off one of the techniques you are claiming to be effective.
On the other hand, maybe those really are effective techniques, but he is such a bad teacher that he can't teach his students how to use them.
BTW, At least you are now posting examples of techniques that actually work. This is more along the lines of what you need to do since your mission seems to be to protect the honor of TCMA. Better than those clips that just sabotage that mission.
The wrist lock can only work
- if your opponent grabs on your wrist.
- when you hold on his grabbing hand, he still refuses to let it go.
That was exactly how that clip was showing. You opponent can raise and bend his elbow to release the pressure. You can then change it into X. If your opponent turns his body to release the pressure, you can then change it into Y. Both X and Y are not showing in that clip. Since I don't believe you are truly interest in this subject. there is no need to describe X and Y in detail.
Please tell us know will you set up a "wrist lock".
What is even more ironic is that a guy who teaches jacket wrestling is attempting to show a wrist grab takedown. That's like a BJJ guy trying to teach the intricacies of heel hooks.
Easy to prove me wrong. Wrestling season is right now. Find an open mat training night, go there and try your wrist lock technique. Post the clips of what happens when you do that.
Of course, you would never want to have actual documentation of something like that because it would show how wrong you are.
And my point was that opportunity will rarely present so it's generally better to focus on opportunities that will present significantly more often such as those things shown in the clips of the fraudulent teacher's students.
-LOL... What business of yours is it how old I am and how is it relevant to the conversations at hand?Quote:
You still have not answered my question yet.
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