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This isn't really qigong. It's just stupid. Nevertheless, I thought I might try to launch a new newsfeed thread here.
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STRANGE BUT TRUE Man with “Stab-Proof Abs" Knifed
15:48 14/02/2012
ROSTOV-ON-DON, February 14 (RIA Novosti)
Police have detained a resident of Russia's Rostov region for stabbing a friend who claimed his "abs" were strong enough to stop any knife thrust, the regional Interior Ministry said in a statement on Tuesday.
The suspect told police that during a party he and a friend decided to experiment with martial arts techniques. “The owner of the home got a big kitchen knife and asked his guest to stab him in the stomach. He refused at first, saying he was afraid he would kill the host. However, the host said that in his childhood he was involved in martial arts and the knife could not penetrate his abs,” the statement said.
Unfortunately, that was not the case. The host finally persuaded his friend to try stabbing him in the stomach, after which he had to be rushed to hospital with a serious stomach wound. The victim told doctors that he slipped and fell on the knife, but the doctors determined it would be impossible to get such an injury from a fall, and called the police.
A criminal case under Article 111 of the Criminal Code (serious bodily injury) was opened. If found guilty, the suspect could face up to eight years in prison.
Priceless !Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneChing
Some of the best MA F-ups start this way:
"...during a party he and a friend..."
:D
There's a line to be drawn between the 90-year old TCMA master who can do 100 pushups, and people who think qi can make them fly.
I feel sorry for his drunken guest that he got arrested.
ESPECIALLY since he didn't want to do it, but was basically talked into it after refusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neeros
Reminds me of the guy in Indonesia or Malaysia, can't recall where, that cut a deep gash in his forearm after doing some qiqong thinking that it would protect him. There's probably still a vid of it somewhere.
This sort of thing takes place when you are drunk. An understanding of gigong might also prevent this sort of thing. Flesh and bone is just that. Hammers, big stones, and sharp blades cut and break these quite easily, and no amount of gigong is going to protect you from that.
I remember watching a chinese monk doing some of this silly stuff and he was standing with his hands down by his sides when another monk was drawing back with a big board to him him across the skull. Well, the board broke as he drew it back to swing. Well, so much for their gigong demonstration. I can hear him saying to the others. We know it works right? So lets must make sure it goes smoothly and use the broken sticks. Almost all of what we see on TV or on the net is nothing more than parlor tricks that anyone can do.[
This article had me at 'they took rat poison'
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Thursday, February 23, 2012 04:05 AM
Four die in extreme martial arts tests
Yemris Fointuna, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Wed, 02/22/2012 8:21 AM
Four martial arts students have died while attempting to achieve invulnerability in extreme tests in separate incidents in Greater Jakarta, and East Nusa Tenggara.
Two men in Kupang, East Nusa Tenggara died on Tuesday as a vehicle drove over their bodies. A third man remains in critical condition.
The trio, all assistant coaches at the Kera Sakti pencak silat martial arts school, were identified as Ebiridio Sarmento, 20; Elder Cruz, 21; and Abilio Fretes, 18.
The three performed their test at the Noelbaki bus terminal. Witnesses said they first took rat poison and survived.
When none of them fell sick, they proceeded to the next test.
“The three members later proceeded by laying down in the street while some motorcyclists drove over their bodies with their bikes a few times,” a fellow school member, Alberto Amaral, said on Tuesday.
“Nobody got injured,” he added.
The three then decided to allow a four-wheel vehicle carrying dozens of passengers to roll over their bodies.
Their request was granted. However, this time the results were gruesome.
“They screamed when the vehicles passed over their bodies. When the show was over, we found their bodies were crushed,” Alberto said.
Sarmento died at the scene, while Cruz died on the way to hospital.
Fretes is currently in critical condition at a hospital in Kupang.
Kupang Police criminal investigations chief Adj. Comr. Yohanes Kristian Tanau said they had named the school’s leaders, Egidius Sarmento and Antonio Tinto, as suspects.
Officers also took into evidence a car, two motorcycles and rat poison as evidence and were also questioning Brendo, the driver of the vehicle that passed over the men.
In a separate incident on Monday, two pencak silat enthusiasts from Cilincing, North Jakarta — brothers Slalindar Andri Wibowo, 24, and Dedi Supriyadi, 26 — died from severe burns after they were doused with acid in a test of their immunity against weapon attacks.
“[Andri and Dedi] learned to master a weapon-resistant skill. But when acid was poured on them, they were severely injured,” their sister, Lisa Faja Riana, said after viewing their bodies at the Cipto Mangunkusumo Hospital morgue on Tuesday.
Lisa said her brothers and two friends, identified as Oman and Hendra, went to Serang, Banten, on Saturday evening to look for a master who could teach them immunity against weapons.
Banten is famous for a traditional performance called the debus in which a performer demonstrates his invulnerability to weapons and fire.
“Andri told his wife that he went to a prayer gathering to learn religion instead,” Lisa said as quoted by kompas.com.
Lisa said the family was informed about the incident on Sunday evening after one of the victims’ friends called to inform them that the brothers were dead and their bodies were in a hospital in Serang.
Then there are cases like Mike Patterson, who has done public demos where guys hammered him in the chest with sledge hammers.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Chiang Po
They didn't do the trick right. You're supposed to dig a four inch deep hollow into the road, lie down in it and have a large plank placed across your chest for the truck tires to roll on.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneChing
These demonstrations are all nonsense and ego based.
NO super powers will be developed, but when you get older, your quality of life will be better if you haven't forfeited your health.
Vigorous exercise for aged people is not recommended. Qigong, TaiChi, Yoga and bodywork is excellent for maintaining an older body and keeping it supple.
Continuing to do the work of a young person is just pig headed ego.
No shortage of stupid self absorbed people in the world I guess.
"hey look at me! look at me!!!" < this is cute when you're five and pathetic when you're 20+
Yea, rat poison doesn't work in UFC. That's not the realz.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Jamieson
jesus christ
Holy back fat batman!:eek:
Stick to your guns...or swords...oh Taoist monk. :rolleyes:Quote:
Yoga and qigong offer no relief from back pain in elderly people, German study finds
PUBLISHED : Sunday, 03 July, 2016, 5:32pm
UPDATED : Sunday, 03 July, 2016, 10:55pm
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Stephen Chen
Contrary to popular belief, yoga and qigong do not reduce back pain in elderly people, according to German research.
The study recruited 175 volunteers aged 65 or more with lower back pain at the Charité – Universitätsmedizin Berlin, one of Germany’s largest medical research institutions.
The patients were divided into three groups for randomised controlled trials – one practised the modern Viniyoga method, another a qigong course called Nei Yang Gong, and the third received no intervention – for three months.
At the end, the patients were asked to grade their pain on a scale from zero for no pain to four for worst pain. No difference was found among the groups. The researchers, suspecting some effects might take longer to show up, took measurements again three month later, but still no significant difference emerged.
The results were surprising, according to the researchers led by Dr Michael Teut. “The results do not say that yoga or qigong are not beneficial for older adults,” Teut told the South China Morning Post. “In contrast, most of our patients were very satisfied with the programme”, although it did not reduce pain, he said.Quote:
[But] the results do not say that yoga or qigong are not beneficial for older adults
DR MICHAEL TEUT
Their paper will appear in the American Pain Society journal next month but is available now for a fee online.
Back pain is a common affliction worldwide. In Germany it affects two in three women and 58 per cent of men, according to a recent survey. Pain medication often has side effects, prompting an interest in alternative therapies in Western countries.
Yoga has existed as a spiritual and meditative practice in India for more than 2,000 years, although many of its exercise movements are more modern. Previous studies indicate that yoga as a form of exercise could relieve back pain, though the participants in those studies were mostly young.
Qigong has an equally long history in China as a form of exercise that channels the flow of internal qi or life energy in the body through a series of delicate, guided movements. Qigong, according to some recent studies in peer-reviewed journals, helped reduce blood pressure, depression, anxiety and the risk of falls in older adults.
But the value of yoga and qigong as alternative therapies remains a subject of debate among medical researchers. A systematic review of the health benefits of qigong and tai chi for cancer patients by Professor Zeng Yingchun at the Third Affiliated Hospital of Guangzhou Medical University in 2013 cautioned that the positive findings “need to be interpreted cautiously” due to the limited number trials.
While qi and its equivalent concept of prana in yoga are central concepts to traditional Asian medicine and martial arts, Western science has no method to define or measure it, and so cannot accept it as a physical entity.
A similar review of the literature of yoga conducted by researchers at Duke University in April concluded that while there was some evidence it was useful for middle-aged adults with lower back pain, “the effects of yoga for health-related quality of life, well-being and acute low back pain are uncertain”.
The German researchers said that although the volunteers reported no measurable improvement in pain relief, most were satisfied with the exercises, and some said they would recommend the therapies to family and friends.
One possible reason why the traditional exercises provided little pain relief to older patients was that the ability to cope with pain changes with age, they suggested. Some studies indicate young people deal better with pain.
“Older adults may have a diminished ability to effectively respond to the stress of persistent pain, which may be related to cognitive and physical impairments, increased sensitivity to pain … and social isolation,” they wrote.Quote:
Older adults may have a diminished ability to effectively respond to the stress of persistent pain
GERMAN RESEARCH TEAM
Yang Quanpu, a Taoist monk practising qigong in Beijing, said the exercise relieved pain by removing obstacles that hinder the flow of qi in the body. In traditional Chinese medicine theory, pain is caused by such “blocks”.
“When you being practising qigong you may even feel an increase in pain as the qi tries to overcome these obstacles. This can be very difficult for some people,” Yang said.
“The relief of pain takes time, depending on the health and physical condition of the practitioner, but with persistence and proper guidance, the benefits will come in the end. One who starts qigong in youth may avoid back pain for life.”
This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as:
Study debunks myth qigong relieves pain
Greetings,
There are major flaws in the way both Yoga and Qigong were utilized. What team of high level practitioners were assembled for consultation? Were both exercise systems specifically designed to alleviate chronic lower back pain or known for alleviating said pain? And for only a month? What the fukk!! This is nothing but a commercial for pain management doctors and their cache of drugs. If you have pain there is a wonderful drug for it.
This is really a new low for the Qigong fail thread.
mickey
In a perfect world you're right. But who is getting a team of high level of practitioners to design a system specific to their individiual aches? Persons usually experience chronic pain, go to a community center and do whatever the lady/gentleman there tells them to do. Is it too much to ask to see some benefit after a whole month of standard training? I bet they would after a month of weight training. Such studies are used by insurance companies with millions of clients after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickey
Greetings Cataphract,
That is what Masters in both disciplines can do: prescribe and develop exercise to address certain problems. If there are those with that level of accomplishment who cannot deliver, they should hang it up and go find a table for life at McDonald's or Burger Kings. Supersize them to death.
mickey
Be interesting to see the result if they tested for core strength training + qigong vs. just core strength training (and a control group with no intervention).
Mickey, I totally agree, but for broad medical applications they would need a homogenized McQigong that can be taught by somewhat-trained, mass-produced non-masters. (Kind of like the McAcupuncture in western health systems, and the "mindfulness" industry offering expensive courses to become a certified mindfulness teacher). The whole idea of highly skilled masters with lifelong training goes against the industrial-production model of capitalism.
AFAIK, at least iN CA, in order to legally practice acupuncture requires CA certification, which is NOT easy for anyone to obtain. I know several people, including some friends, who are certified/licensed acupuncturists, and in my city they are all alums of Pacific College of Oriental Medicine (PCOM). From all I've heard, it's a very vigorous program that also includes some required understanding of Western medicine, so that someone can diagnose whether someone's condition is beyond the help of only Eastern modalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by rett2
Maybe it's different in other states; I don't know. I do know that, at least in my profession of massage therapy, requirements and certification to legitimately practice as a certified massage therapist are far more stringent in CA and NY than in other states. I personally have both national and state certification, and I wouldn't be surprised if licensed acupuncturists, whose requirements are stricter and more extensive than ours, require more (I've never asked).
Greetings,
Masters can do this. All that was needed to be done for both sets of disciplines was to present them with the matter to be addressed. They would develop a set of "prescribed exercises" that would address it, whether it be Yoga or Qigong. Also, the duration of the study should have been extended: one month, three months, six months, to one year. Maybe it is is cultural ignorance of how Yoga and Qigong can be implemented or it could be a matter of funding; in my opinion, it is about prescription drugs for pain ($$$). Pain management center are popping up all over the USA. They are more than willing to give you the "stuff" you need.Quote:
Originally Posted by rett2
mickey
At least in some parts of Europe, physical therapists are allowed to give acupuncture treatment after very cursory training. That's the sort of level I was thinking of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo
It would be interesting to see a study like that, definitely. I wonder, though, how much a master would want to tailor fit training to each patient. Some (perhaps many) elderly person’s backs are probably degraded to where no therapy will significantly help against pain. Time doesn't flow backwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickey
As far as Qigong is concerned, I'd mostly be interested in comparing purely physical exercises with physical exercises that are coordinated with breathing and include a meditation component. The latter might help people handle chronic pain better, even if they still feel the pain. That's what a lot of anecdotal evidence suggests anyhow.
My two cents on Qigong related fail in my goings-on.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44007
No_Know
There's a qigong trick for ya. Take the money and run. Karma will get him.
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Patient dies after expensive Qigong therapy tries to "starve" cancer cells
2016-10-11 20:11:57 CRIENGLISH.com Web Editor: Shi
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The patient's husband takes a photo of the Qigong therapy process. [Photo: Shanghai Morning Post]
A cancer patient died in 2015 despite spending 300,000 yuan (nearly 44,000 USD) on Qigong therapy in an attempt to "starve" the cancer cells. The so-called Qigong therapist has disappeared and not returned any money, reported Shanghai Morning Post on Tuesday, October 11.
At the end of last year, a 61-year-old woman, surnamed Zhang, was diagnosed with ovarian cancer. As her cancer was at the end stage, she was told it could not be cured and Zhang turned to a Qigong therapist who claimed to be able to cure any disease.
Zhang, accompanied by her husband, saw the Qigong therapist who told her the treatment would cost 300,000 yuan and had to be paid in advance. The Qigong therapist promised to cure the disease within 35 days.
She paid and accepted treatment from the therapist. The treatment included not eating, and the cancer cells would in turn starve to death. The therapist also told Zhang to stop taking pain-killers and other medical treatment.
After 39 days of only consuming ginger soups made and rubbing black ointment on her body, Zhang lost a total 10kg and felt intense stomach pain.
At the end of December last year, Zhang felt her heart intermittently stop. The Qigong therapist, frightened, advised her to resume the medical treatment. Later, the therapist was found to have disappeared without returning any money for the treatment.
The newspaper has tried to contact the Qigong therapist for a statement, but has failed several times.
Xu Feng, vice president from the research institution of Qigong in Shanghai said that some people take advantage of the lack of medical knowledge and will try to cheat them out of money. It is impossible to cure cancer by Qigong therapy.
Traditionally, Qigong (Chi Kung) means cultivating energy. It is a system practiced for health maintenance, healing and increasing vitality.
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This point is taken to its meaning as it is but this is a fallacy! Starving cancer cells does not mean not eating but the premise is to change the cellular matrix (from sugars!) but replacing with beneficial 'food" (the ubiquitious can of worms) i.e. more 'nutritious (another loaded term) food for the cell, which in turn will serve as a basis for denying the 'sugars' often associated with 'cancers'.Quote:
The treatment included not eating, and the cancer cells would in turn starve to death.
Also, far too many quacks get away with being con artists in conjunction with the individual need to live as if one just has to wish and horses will appear ready to take you on a ride.
The Nine Emperor God was not appeased. :(Quote:
Steamed to death in a WOK: Prayer session goes horribly wrong when 'magic man' is killed trying to 'cleanse his body and soul' in a metal pot with a fire underneath in Malaysia
WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT
Lim Ba had been performing human steaming for more than 10 years in Malaysia
Devotees watched as he sat in giant wok with a lid before fire was lit underneath
But after 30 minutes, the 68-year-old 'magic man' started knocking frantically
He was pronounced dead from major second-degree burns and a heart attack
By Richard Shears for MailOnline
PUBLISHED: 02:43 EDT, 25 October 2017 | UPDATED: 07:09 EDT, 25 October 2017
A self-professed 'magic man' has died after accidentally steaming himself to death in a wok while trying to 'cleanse body and soul'.
Lim Ba, also known as Black Dog, could be seen sitting in lotus position in a giant metal pan at a Chinese temple in Suala Sanglang, a small coastal village in northern Malaysia.
A lid was placed over the 68-year-old in preparation for the steaming and he clasped his hands in prayer before a fire was lit under the wok.
But after 30 minutes the performance went horribly wrong and devotees could hear Lim knocking frantically from inside.
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Self-professed 'magic man' Lim Ba has died after accidentally steaming himself to death in a wok while trying to 'cleanse his body and soul' in Malaysia. He is pictured minutes before his death as a lid is lowered over his body
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Lim Ba, also known as Black Dog, could be seen sitting in lotus position in a giant metal pan at a Chinese temple in Suala Sanglang, a small coastal village in northern Malaysia
The lid was raised - and Lim was found unconscious, steam billowing out around him. He was pronounced dead from major second-degree burns and a heart attack.
The bizarre end to Lim's years as a medium came during what was described as a Nine Emperor God prayer session.
The country's The Star newspaper reported Lim's youngest son, Kang Huai, 32, as saying that his father had been performing human steaming for more than 10 years, despite his family's concerns.
Kang Huai said that during the steaming sessions, rice, sweet corn and vegetarian buns would be placed inside the wok and they would also be steamed.
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After 30 minutes the performance went horribly wrong and devotees could hear Lim knocking frantically from inside
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The bizarre end to Lim's years as a medium came during what was described as a Nine Emperor God prayer session
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The lid was raised - and Lim was found unconscious, steam billowing out around him. He was pronounced dead from major second-degree burns and a heart attack
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Lim (right) had been performing human steaming for more than 10 years, despite his family's concerns
The dead man's daughter, Wei Ling 37, said that earlier on that fateful day her father had eaten only sweet potato and green bean biscuits. 'But he was his normal self and took pictures with his devotees.'
Her father's record inside the steam cover, she said, had been 75 minutes.
The Star said that when contacted in China, the President of the Federation of Taoist Associations of Malaysia, Tan Hoe Chioew, said such steaming rituals were not really part of mainstream Taoist rites.
They were more of a 'fa shu', or magic, performance.
'This "steaming man" ritual is rarely performed and I dare not comment on what preparations are needed before you perform this,' said Tan.
Such feats, he said, were done to attract believers and show the performer's physical endurance.
'But in general doing such physical endureance stunts is not advisable.'
An ex-DJ? Ironic as I just posted this: Laidback Luke on the Kung Fu of EDM
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Elderly woman on wheelchair pays ex-DJ $130,000 for “qigong” session; harasses him after seeing no improvement after one year
March 20, 2018
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A 76-year-old woman has apparently resorted to harassing a man after she paid him $130,000 over a year for “qigong” sessions that did not help improve her her injured knee as she thought it would.
The woman, Madam Xu, shared with the Chinese daily that she had been forced to rely on a wheelchair to move around after a fall in December 2015 caused her to fracture her left knee. She sought the help of Mr Wang Di Cong – an ex-DJ – after she heard that he offers ‘qigong’ rehabilitation services:
Madam Xu began to visit Mr Wang’s condominium apartment for a two-hour session daily, She paid him $4600 per week. She told reporters:Quote:
“I heard from others that Mr Wang knows ‘qigong’ and has been providing rehabilitation services for people after quitting his job as a DJ. I thought that he always had a good reputation and sounded quite formidable with his skills so I asked a friend to refer him to his services in May 2016.”
Mr Wang, however, has claimed that Madam Xu has been harassing him and that he has received more than 2000 SMS messages from her cursing him and his family in just three months, prompting him to call the police five times so far.Quote:
“I asked him how long would it take for me to be able to walk again, but he wouldn’t give me a definite date.
“After more than one year and $130,000 spent on the sessions, there was no visible improvement, so I decided to stop the sessions. I have turned to Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) instead.”
Mr Wang claims that he had repeatedly stressed to his ex-client that he would only be able to help her strengthen her body and asserted that he never once promised her that she would be able to walk again:
Mr Wang shared that his former client only stopped attending sessions last December after a sudden falling out. He told reporters that although he first tried to explain himself, he had to involve the police after she began bringing his family into the matter with her defamatory messages.Quote:
“I help to guide my patients and train their mind and body. I taught Madam Xu some hand and leg stretching exercises. I also supported her as she walked around the parameters of the swimming pool.
“She has shown improvements over the year, and has recovered to the point that she is now able to walk with assistance.”
Mr Wang added that he will consider taking legal action if Madam Xu continues to harass his family.Quote:
“She sent me more than 2000 SMS messages to me within three months. If she was just cursing me, I would have been able to put up with it.
“However, she started bringing my family into the picture and scolding them as well. I could not tolerate it anymore. I also fear for the safety of my family and have called the police five times regarding this.”
Though I may not have learnt much from my previous teachers/masters but the best qigong master heals first (without payment) then based on the degree of healing, if applicable, he then gets paid accordingly!
how 'bout dat as an excellent neo-Daoist healing strategy.