Jim Uglow...kung fu tourist...not!!

I read in a recently closed thread, a user trying to claim my teacher, Jim Uglow, was a kung fu tourist. A term our kwoon coined to describe people who go to HK for a holiday..and return calling themselves si-fu...a worryingly growing trend.

I thought I would join to set the record straight.

My teacher, long before he went to HK to learn from Chan Hon Chung in1985, began Hung Gar in the mid-70's with a private Chinese si-fu, learning one to one 5 days a week-4 hours EVERY morning plus a public class in the evening...

It was his original si-fu who told Jim to go to Chan si-gung in the first place, if Jim wanted the full system...how different from all the si-fus nowadays that cant admit to not knowing everything eh??

Respect to Spencer who stepped into the other "debate, your welcome to our kwoon, coz you are a proper kung fu man...and you're right questioning that guy's maturity....

I don't think anyone here took any of that stuff seriously. Sounded like a guy with an axe to grind, to me.

At any rate, berating people's Sifus, unless they are blatantly involved in criminal or unethical activity, is in poor taste. It's also talking behind someone's back, which is also in poor taste.

I closed that thread because it was not going anywhere productive.

Character attack and defend posts are usually regarded as Hokey and lame.

If people can't speak for themselves and can't contain or won't contain their students, then the whole lot wind up looking like a pile of boiled cabbage that's been sitting in the rain.

Just sayin...

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Originally Posted by Chris m

Respect to Spencer who stepped into the other "debate, your welcome to our kwoon, coz you are a proper kung fu man...

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Respects to you all too, but I'm not sure I fit the 'proper kung fu man' label just yet lol!! There are some here who would strongly disagree!! :D

I just like to give honest opinion, epsecially when I see negative things being said about somebody in the UK I have actually met and know a little about.

Hey Chris m, I don't suppose you're the guy who wrote into a Uk MA mag, MAI I think a good few years ago perhaps around 2004? No disrespect just interested.

Yeah I did write to MAI years ago, bout some cover guy appearing to take the p##s out of Hung Gar, for no apparent reason-was supposed to be their new kung fu consultant and there he was disrespecting another kung fu style....just asked why that was acceptable.

Ps Spencer you sound like a guy, who if he has beef with someone, as the guy who started that other thread clearly does, would walk up to the guy and deal with it man to man...a proper kung fu guy....not an armchair see-thru..

An astute businessman's poor student just challenged me to a fight. Chris Mercer has the biggest mouth.

He visits HK here and there throughout the year (a tourist) brings back things he has learned in HK. Charges his students to learn those forms/ideas. Has his name attached to schools in 5 countries. He sells DVD's of the forms he learned in HK. Oh, I forgot he also charges for seminars!!! And you have the balls to call others astute businessmen? Pot calling the kettle black.

He now has a Forum in his name while his students try to make a name for themselves by attacking others.

And now shows videos of the Lau family correcting his teachers teachings!!! Not jealous one bit Mercer. Just tells me that you needed proper training from the start. True Orthodox training huh? Lets bring in another lineage for 'variations'. What a joke from a pathetic coward.

You are a black eye to the martial arts.

Here is a post by Chris Mercer - Popsjnr (Zappones running dog) challenging me to a fight who challenged who??? I did not run away. There you go skewing the facts like you do with everything else. What a COWARD.

Oh Wodger you get so angwy dont you...poor baby dont cry!! Does your nappy need changing have you **** YOURSELF??
Dont like the replies dont send me emails then you ****ing *****.? Who the **** do you think you are?? If you want trouble you **** come to our club and i will spark you out!!
Unit 11 Kimberley Works
1st floor Billet Road Walthamstow
London E17 5DZ
I will be there tonight 20:00hrs you dont come then your just a coward aint you?? Can? you see how scared I am eh??
But you wont do that coz your a cowardly chicken**** **** arent you???...as for sucking **** I leave that to you...bet you LOVE the taste of man-fat eh??
**** off and die *****

He challenged me to a fight at his school in England but refused to purchase me a flight and room and board. Coward. OOOHH MERCER you are so brave...NOT

"Internet challenges are purely for chicken shiet poosies. that is all." HAHHAHHAHHAA Mercer is a CHICKEN SHIET. (this was on the comments of this video, but they removed all the comments, didnt want to make the school look bad with their shiny new forum)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVEFhWgpfUc

Read my teacher's Hung Kuen history, , yeah I know it's you. As for challenging people you challenged me to a fight on naamkyun.com, you told me you were flying to England to MAKE me apologise, but when I publicly on the same forum accepted, you ran

seems to me there's alot of NUTTS in this peanut gallery. People who issue internet challenges instead of just showing up at their school and handle things like real martial artists give martial arts especially kung fu a black eye.

Internet challenges are purely for chicken shiet poosies. that is all. :D

Spot on snipsky...

**** as for my teacher charging for lessons and seminars (SHOCK HORROR)...does your teacher charge for these or does he give it away free???if the answer is...yes he charges....what is your point??? Grow up....your pathetic rants about my teacher on various forums just demonstrates what a little nerd you are.

Enough guys.
It seems that all you guys do is post to argue with each other.
Enough.

FYI, If you are going to use a person's name, be sure it IS that person AND that you have their permission.

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FYI, If you are going to use a person's name, be sure it IS that person AND that you have their permission.

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CENSORSHIP!!!!!!! LMAO :p

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Originally Posted by hskwarrior

CENSORSHIP!!!!!!! LMAO :p

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This isn't a democracy, you guys keep forgetting that, LOL !

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This isn't a democracy, you guys keep forgetting that, LOL !

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DICTATOR!!!!! LMAO............ Dictator SanKimJong Ronin!!!!!!!!!! :p:p:p

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Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin

FYI, If you are going to use a person's name, be sure it IS that person AND that you have their permission.

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Frank McCarthy never studied CLF!! He's just a cheap WC knockoff who learned his fighting from watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles!!!!!!!! :D:D:D

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Originally Posted by Chris m

Yeah I did write to MAI years ago, bout some cover guy appearing to take the p##s out of Hung Gar, for no apparent reason-was supposed to be their new kung fu consultant and there he was disrespecting another kung fu style....just asked why that was acceptable.

Ps Spencer you sound like a guy, who if he has beef with someone, as the guy who started that other thread clearly does, would walk up to the guy and deal with it man to man...a proper kung fu guy....not an armchair see-thru..

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Ha I knew it! What a guess. I remember the MAI issue that you wrote into. It was when the mag was announcing that they had a Kung Fu advisor / consultant column writer or whatever and it was Shabir akhtar.

I remember you saying something like aren't all these Kung Fu guys all Wing Chun 'aren't they all' I quote. Also you said you'd been studying with Jim Uglow for a couple of years and that 'we won't take it any longer' I quote whatever it was that you were talking about. No disrespect but I liked the reply to your letter from the MAI mag I quote 'on the contrary Chris, the man is the style'. I thought that was a good answer.

I have the mag somewhere, don't suppose you want to buy it? Bet you can't get it from back order from anywhere.

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Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin

This isn't a democracy, you guys keep forgetting that, LOL !

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Sometimes, you look right at a person and ask them "surely you can see the error in this?" and THEY CAN'T!

This is why philosophy was invented! :p

...also, martial arts.

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Frank McCarthy

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who the hell is frank mccarthy? :confused::confused::confused:

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Originally Posted by Martialphoto

I remember the MAI issue that you wrote into. It was when the mag was announcing that they had a Kung Fu advisor / consultant column writer or whatever and it was Shabir akhtar.

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I recall him being a TKD Instructor and Champion before learning Wing Chun from Sifu James Sinclair?? Wasn't impressed that he was 'chosen' for the job at hand either at MAI but I'm rarely happy with any magazine these days :o

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Originally Posted by Chris m

Ps Spencer you sound like a guy, who if he has beef with someone, as the guy who started that other thread clearly does, would walk up to the guy and deal with it man to man...a proper kung fu guy....not an armchair see-thru..

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Again, I am very proud of my own learning and training, but have to admit being more 'armchair' than I would like these days lol!! Maybe, if the timing is right, you will be at one of the big Martial Arts events this year in the UK and we can meet and have a laugh about this bl00dy forum! lol!

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Originally Posted by LoneTiger108

I recall him being a TKD Instructor and Champion before learning Wing Chun from Sifu James Sinclair?? Wasn't impressed that he was 'chosen' for the job at hand either at MAI but I'm rarely happy with any magazine these days :o



Again, I am very proud of my own learning and training, but have to admit being more 'armchair' than I would like these days lol!! Maybe, if the timing is right, you will be at one of the big Martial Arts events this year in the UK and we can meet and have a laugh about this bl00dy forum! lol!

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Not sure about the TKD stuff but could be right. Not sure also if he learnt from Sifu James Sinclair. That guy was fast and as you probably know has a good rep. Shabbir Akhtar was at least certified in WC under Sam Kwok I think. Also under Jeremy Lau Lau Gar although I hear there's a load of politics involved there. I guess 2 systems for Kung Fu and his other experience isn't bad to say the least. Not sure how long he was doing that job in MAI. Maybe he isn't Ip Man but how many others are?


Better arm chair than wheel chair....?

To be honest Spencer I find those martial arts shows a joke....blokes in silk pyjamas showing off...makes me want to puke!!

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Originally Posted by Martialphoto

Not sure about the TKD stuff but could be right. Not sure also if he learnt from Sifu James Sinclair. That guy was fast and as you probably know has a good rep.

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Yep I have met James a number of times and I have seen the two names linked before.

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Originally Posted by Martialphoto

Shabbir Akhtar was at least certified in WC under Sam Kwok I think. Also under Jeremy Lau Lau Gar although I hear there's a load of politics involved there.

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As always! But you're correct too as he is currently representing Sifu Kwok and Ip Ching according to some sources.

I feel I should re-state that I understand where Chris m is coming from because I wouldn't expect someone like this to be representative of the entire spectrum of Chinese Martial Arts. That's a hard job, and I would prefer to see someone who can sit on 'neutral ground' rather than attached to a particular system.

Maybe even the posturing Shabir was doing in his photos were of Lau Gar and not Hung Kuen?? Then again, I have also heard many negative things about the infamous Jeremy Lau!! Not that I judge anyone without meeting them myslef...

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Originally Posted by Chris m

To be honest Spencer I find those martial arts shows a joke....blokes in silk pyjamas showing off...makes me want to puke!!

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Should I be surprised?? lol! ;)

Networking is a special skill my friend and you should at least give it a go imo. There is practically NO representation of Hung Gar in the UK as you know, and I for one would love to see it revived.

Even if it's not in a demo format, but on the mats in Sanshou, Hung Gar IMHO SHOULD be represented in some way...

There's HG in Liverpool and Scotland also I think.

The Hung Gar kwoon in Liverpool is run by students of the late Jimmy Chan, also si-baak to our kwoon, Chan si-baak gave my teacher a lot of support when he was starting out.....same roots. I'm not sure about Scotland, but there are plenty of Hung Gar kwoons in London....Lau and Lum Jo lineages are represented...

As for tournaments we used to enter, but always got disqualified....so we stopped bothering....occasionally we demo at SENI, but I always try to miss it coz its not my thing.....and I am crap and dont want to put people off their lunch...

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Originally Posted by hskwarrior

who the hell is frank mccarthy? :confused::confused::confused:

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Just some dude.

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Just some dude.

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Never heard of him. :)

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Originally Posted by hskwarrior

Never heard of him. :)

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He's oft confused with Franklin McCarthy.

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He's oft confused with Franklin McCarthy.

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ahhhh I see. Hopefully one day he will arrive from his confusion.

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Originally Posted by Chris m

The Hung Gar kwoon in Liverpool is run by students of the late Jimmy Chan, also si-baak to our kwoon, Chan si-baak gave my teacher a lot of support when he was starting out.....same roots. I'm not sure about Scotland, but there are plenty of Hung Gar kwoons in London....Lau and Lum Jo lineages are represented...

As for tournaments we used to enter, but always got disqualified....so we stopped bothering....occasionally we demo at SENI, but I always try to miss it coz its not my thing.....and I am crap and dont want to put people off their lunch...

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There are several lines that came from Jimmy Chan in Liverpool. Some more well known than others. Apart from George Ho who was partly via Lum Jo? I never met Jimmy Chan but heard from several sources that he was a good man.

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Originally Posted by Chris m

As for tournaments we used to enter, but always got disqualified....so we stopped bothering....occasionally we demo at SENI, but I always try to miss it coz its not my thing.....and I am crap and dont want to put people off their lunch...

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Doesn't Sifu Uglow have a Lion dance team?? I just thought you may be at The Martial Arts Show in May

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Originally Posted by LoneTiger108

Then again, I have also heard many negative things about the infamous Jeremy Lau!! Not that I judge anyone without meeting them myslef...

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really well like a lot of successful people he has his dis tractors, are what you heard in relation to his art or his business practises

http://de-motivational.com/albums/us...l_bob-ross.jpg

But i can try to smoke them LOLOLOL

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Originally Posted by LoneTiger108

Yep I have met James a number of times and I have seen the two names linked before.



As always! But you're correct too as he is currently representing Sifu Kwok and Ip Ching according to some sources.

I feel I should re-state that I understand where Chris m is coming from because I wouldn't expect someone like this to be representative of the entire spectrum of Chinese Martial Arts. That's a hard job, and I would prefer to see someone who can sit on 'neutral ground' rather than attached to a particular system.

Maybe even the posturing Shabir was doing in his photos were of Lau Gar and not Hung Kuen?? Then again, I have also heard many negative things about the infamous Jeremy Lau!! Not that I judge anyone without meeting them myslef...

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It's Jeremy Yau.

My only problem with that MAI guy wasn't to do with a teacher from one particular style talking about all different Chinese styles, having spent some of my youth-long ago now-practising both Wing Chun and Lau Gar nearly eight years combined, I think it would've been a good idea for him to do it...my problem with it was this...WHY, if you are supposedly a "kung fu consultant" would you have two magazine covers-the Hung Gar pose and then a Tai Chi posed cover with the look of a guy taking the p##s???...my teacher rang the MAI editor after the 2nd cover....coz that was both styles he loves and teaches (yes for money..shock horror mcpeanut) seemingly being dissed....if your a kung fu consultant show respect to kung fu.

Yo Spencer

Yeah we have a lion dance troupe, and we do sometimes demo at these shows, but I dont usually oay much attention to them coming up....I turn up to the kwoon and get told to go for a lion dance, no time to prepare....as long as there's a beer it's cool...