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07-16-2013, 07:43 AM
k gledhill

WZP clip

http://youtu.be/4LSzcRCQZEI
07-16-2013, 08:31 AM
kung fu fighter

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Originally Posted by k gledhill

http://youtu.be/4LSzcRCQZEI

Excellent clip Kev, i really liked it. looks like he is combining WSL ving tsun with Shuai-chiao throwing, I recognized the belt cracking. I think WSL would be proud to see this had he been alive.
07-16-2013, 08:38 AM
k gledhill

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Originally Posted by kung fu fighter

Excellent clip Kev, i really liked it. looks like he is combining WSL ving tsun with Shuai-chiao throwing, I recognized the belt cracking. I think WSL would be proud to see this had he been alive.

I do takedowns similarly if they present themselves. Turning opponents is part of vt tactic and leads into many options.
07-16-2013, 09:02 AM
Wayfaring

I like the video and concepts, although the execution is somewhat rudimentary. I noticed early on in chi sau that just standing there in a square stance looping steering wheel movements leaves you very open to many basic wrestling grip fighting techniques. Those grips lead into this type of takedown activity.

I saw some arm drags, leg trips, and even an arm throw kind of. I'm not sure if the belt exercises are something he made up or something that is trained in traditional shuai-chiao. But he's basically drilling a penetration step along with angle changes and takedowns. It's not until you start drilling some of that stuff that you realize exactly how many openings there are.

Also, I wish I had Sergio's resources to travel.
07-16-2013, 09:16 AM
k gledhill

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Originally Posted by Wayfaring

I like the video and concepts, although the execution is somewhat rudimentary. I noticed early on in chi sau that just standing there in a square stance looping steering wheel movements leaves you very open to many basic wrestling grip fighting techniques. Those grips lead into this type of takedown activity.

I saw some arm drags, leg trips, and even an arm throw kind of. I'm not sure if the belt exercises are something he made up or something that is trained in traditional shuai-chiao. But he's basically drilling a penetration step along with angle changes and takedowns. It's not until you start drilling some of that stuff that you realize exactly how many openings there are.

Also, I wish I had Sergio's resources to travel.

WZP uses angling a lot, this alone can create close quarter scenarios.
07-16-2013, 09:22 AM
Wayfaring

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Originally Posted by k gledhill

WZP uses angling a lot, this alone can create close quarter scenarios.

I'm sure there are some fighters that want to stand directly in front of their opponent while punching them, but I don't know any personally.
07-16-2013, 09:26 AM
k gledhill

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Originally Posted by Wayfaring

I'm sure there are some fighters that want to stand directly in front of their opponent while punching them, but I don't know any personally.

Chi sao can breed this bad habit without movement and angling based goals. Leads to rabbit in the headlights FREEZE ! Or a dog to , Squirrel ! ; )
07-16-2013, 09:34 AM
sanjuro_ronin

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Originally Posted by k gledhill

http://youtu.be/4LSzcRCQZEI

Beautifully done.
Nothing negative to say under the circumstances.
07-16-2013, 10:04 AM
Paddington

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Originally Posted by k gledhill

http://youtu.be/4LSzcRCQZEI

I really enjoyed watching this clip. Thanks. It has given me many ideas!
07-16-2013, 11:47 AM
YouKnowWho

It's always a good idea for a

- grapplier to integrate striking, and
- striker to integrate grappling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXNx5WDPXYU

http://youtu.be/4LSzcRCQZEI

It's much easier for WC to integrate grappling than for boxing to integrate grappling. When you train Chi Shou, you are half way there already.
07-16-2013, 12:13 PM
tc101

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Originally Posted by kung fu fighter

Excellent clip Kev, i really liked it. looks like he is combining WSL ving tsun with Shuai-chiao throwing, I recognized the belt cracking. I think WSL would be proud to see this had he been alive.

Where is the wing chun DNA? Lol ;)
07-16-2013, 12:14 PM
tc101

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Originally Posted by Wayfaring

I'm sure there are some fighters that want to stand directly in front of their opponent while punching them, but I don't know any personally.

It is also hard to think of people who want their opponent to flank them.
07-16-2013, 12:55 PM
guy b.

Interesting clip, looks quite judoish
07-16-2013, 01:55 PM
k gledhill

I like the way he switches from strong plane protecting CG, to weak plane CG.
07-16-2013, 03:20 PM
GlennR

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Originally Posted by k gledhill

http://youtu.be/4LSzcRCQZEI

Nice clip Kev, ive always liked his stuff.

Couple of questions though:

1) How old is he?

2) Is his hair permed?!?!
07-16-2013, 03:21 PM
GlennR

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Also, I wish I had Sergio's resources to travel.

Yep, he leads quite the charmed life doesnt he
07-17-2013, 05:25 AM
KPM

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Originally Posted by k gledhill

http://youtu.be/4LSzcRCQZEI

Very cool! Thanks Kevin! And DNA? I saw Wing Chun "DNA" smoothlessly integrated with Shuai Jaoi "DNA." :)
07-18-2013, 03:48 PM
guy b.

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Originally Posted by KPM

Very cool! Thanks Kevin! And DNA? I saw Wing Chun "DNA" smoothlessly integrated with Shuai Jaoi "DNA." :)

Modern shuai jaoi is basically judo though isn't it? That looked just like judo
07-18-2013, 03:58 PM
KPM

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Originally Posted by guy b.

Modern shuai jaoi is basically judo though isn't it? That looked just like judo

Don't let them here you say that! ;)
07-18-2013, 04:02 PM
guy b.

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Originally Posted by KPM

Don't let them here you say that! ;)

I'm sure the influence went the other way at one time
07-18-2013, 05:40 PM
YouKnowWho

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Originally Posted by guy b.

Modern shuai jaoi is basically judo though isn't it? That looked just like judo

Judo has Shuai Chiao DNA.

Ming Dynasty (1277 ~ 1367)

The Ming Dynasty was the re-establishment of Chinese Sovereignty, following the Mongol conquest. During this time, some of China's martial arts began to flourish abroad, and Shuai-Chiao also made its presence felt overseas.

Shuai-Chiao Artwork - See the resemblance modern Sumo with this old Shuai-Chiao Artwork

http://imageshack.us/a/img97/1756/chinesewrestling.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img24/8929/sc2cv.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img692/2203/sc4fu.jpg

Chen Yuan-Ping is credited for bringing Shuai-Chiao to Japan. His intimate knowledge of Shuai-Chiao's joint locks, controls, takedowns, and throws formed the basis of what became Jiu-Jitsu, which later evolved into Judo and Aikido.

Will Japanese admit it? May be not.
07-18-2013, 05:56 PM
guy b.

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Originally Posted by YouKnowWho

Judoka has Shuai Chiao DNA.

See the resemblance modern Sumo with this old Shuai-Chiao Artwork Chen Yuan-Ping is credited for bringing Shuai-Chiao to Japan. His intimate knowledge of Shuai-Chiao's joint locks, controls, takedowns, and throws formed the basis of what became Jiu-Jitsu, which later evolved into Judo and Aikido.

Will Japanese admit it? May be not.

Do Shuai-Chiao people in modern times have no problem admitting the startling resemblance of Shuai-Chiao to modern judo? It is hard to argue that it looked like sport judo since the 13th century.
07-18-2013, 08:18 PM
YouKnowWho

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Originally Posted by guy b.

Do Shuai-Chiao people in modern times have no problem admitting the startling resemblance of Shuai-Chiao to modern judo? It is hard to argue that it looked like sport judo since the 13th century.

I have never heard that comment before. There are big difference in flavor between SC and Judo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGh0VZFFC0A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDdI3JLC_t0