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Four Gates / SiMen Quan
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In Yunnan exists a form 來恆拳 (slow steady step?) or 四門十三拳 (four gates 13 fist?) that I can't find. Interesting. That might explain where the Seisan comes from.
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Yue Jia Quan (Ying Men Quan) from Jiangxi is based on a Four Gates form. So maybe the Yue Jia is the source of the Four Gates. I had not luck finding a demonstration so far.
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Are you a Karateka or a White Crane practitioner?
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Oh okay. Can I ask what style as you seem to have an interest in things White Crane in nature?
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I'm learning Shotokan and I'm interested in all forms of boxing from southern China (and then some) that may be distant or close relatives of that art. White Crane may be central among them, but not as much as for others like Goju Ryu.
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Shotokan is a pretty far way from Southern Chinese Boxing, arts like Uechi-Ryu, some of the Shorin styles and Goju may be closer but more so to Tiger Boxing, Kgo Cho Kun etc than actual White Crane.
How long have you been training Shotokan, ranked yet?
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I've been training Shotokan for five years now, but had other training before. Almost all our forms come from China like Hangetsu (Seisan). I hope that seeing all those variations will give me a different perspective and a better understanding of the ideas it was designed to convey. After learning how universal this Kata is, I appreciate it much more.
Shorin Ryu and Shotokan share a common lineage until master Funakoshi's move to the Japanese mainland. You could compare Chotoku Kyan's Seisan to Hangetsu to see the (dis-)similarities.
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Nice! Here's another version from my lineage. It shares some characteristics with the first video in the list such as "Catch Tiger in Mountains."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waV8xBD3N50
