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Posted by LaterthanNever
"You seem to be assuming that just because Jesse and Linda didn’t seem like people who would exaggerate that Wong Jack Man, William Chen, and, in case you forgot he was there, David Chin are."
I'm not assuming anything here. I've never met nor spoken with the aforementioned people.
You are assuming that if you meant it when you said, “Lee won the match.” If that were the case then Wong Jack Man, William Chen, and David Chin are all exaggerating and lying since all of their statements seem to be at odds with that assumption.
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I believe he said "to tell you the truth, I THINK I COULD beat anyone in the world". A bit different.
That’s still a pretty wild boast. Especially for someone who didn’t go about trying to prove that to the world at all except through action cinema. Don’t get me wrong though. I’ll still acknowledge he had some skills. Not the best martial artist of all time (God that’s so ridiculous) but still pretty good.
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I don't know about the other fight..but Jesse WAS there at the Wong Jack Man match! He told me once after class.
Jesse Glover – “I wasn't at the (Wong Jack Man) fight but Bruce told me about it.”
http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/jesseglover.html
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"Also, out of everyone who was there how come Linda and Bruce seem to be the only ones who claimed Wong uttered the words “I give up”? Could it be because this is what Bruce told Linda and all of his friends because he knew it would be good for his rep? I think so. "
I don't know. My initial feeling would be that the aforementioned people were friends of Wong Jack Man and hence didn't want to corroborate that he lost? Why does this matter?
I was really trying to point out that I’ve never read anything that says James Yimm Lee said he heard Wong say “I give up.” If he didn’t hear that then it’s likely Linda never heard that either. She must have heard this from Bruce who, let’s face it, was either delusional when he heard Wong say that or he straight up lied which most BL worshipers refuse to believe even though he ran with a street gang, got kicked out of school, and got into trouble with the cops. I’m from East Oakland and I can tell you people like that sometimes exaggerate.
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Being one of Jesse's students..I will never bad mouth Bruce..I'm sorry! True, he was not perfect..but name one person on earth who is..
It’s not like I don’t understand what you’re saying here. I’ve trained with some not-so-stand-up guys who I still respected as skilled martial artists. The reason we’re having this debate is because Linda and people like Leo Fong still feel they have to publicly come out and paint Sifu Wong out to be a loser and a racist when that is not the case at all. To be honest, he’s the most talented master I have ever known (and I’ve met some pretty tough guys).
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Then why oh why were the "elders" who I believe were never named always recorded as being miffed and "losing face" because of Bruce teaching the "guai lo"?
This is why I find these claims so laughable. Because when you actually know people who were directly or indirectly connected with this event it’s so ****ed funny to hear about these "elders" who were p!ssed at Bruce for teaching non-Chinese and such nonsense. What "elders"? Why would they be “losing face” just because Bruce was teaching us "guai lo"? Look man, “Dragon” was complete fantasy. Jerry Poteet even walked off the set because he was disgusted with the whole project. Linda made it seem like there was this official council of old men who appointed Wong to fight Bruce when it was really just a bunch of guys around the same age as Bruce who took him up on his public challenge at the Sun Sing Theatre.
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I'm white too and I was trained by an African American who was taught by Bruce. Your point is? What I don't get is..if these elders were ****ed at Bruce for teaching non chinese? Why didn't they send a chinese of their choosing to issue an ultimatum to kick Wong Jack Man's ass?
Because that’s a bunch of horse manure. There were no elders p!ssed at Bruce for teaching “guai lo”. If there were they would have been some of the Wing Chun masters in the area since that was what he was teaching and there was a tradition of keeping Wing Chun secret from westerners going back to the Boxer Rebellion. Why would a Northern Shaolin guy care that some guy was teaching a bunch of Americans Wing Chun?? Why would any practitioner from any of the other styles care for that matter?? The Choy Lay Fut guys usually had a rivalry going with the Wing Chun guys, why would they have cared?? Unless it was because they thought guai lo were going to start using Wing Chun against them but they thought their art was superior anyway so I still can’t see them giving a ****.
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He couldn't have felt that WC was completely inferior as whatever he added later on was just that..an ADDITION to WC.
If you read a description of Jeet Kune Do on bruceleefoundation.com they like to describe it as consisting of boxing and fencing techniques and that’s all. Of course this was because the notes they’re drawing from are only on boxing and fencing. These obviously weren’t the only arts Bruce was into and if you ask me I feel that Inosanto’s eskrima and kali influences are more in keeping with what Bruce was exploring near the end of his life. He obviously must have been interested in some of the stuff Dan was showing him and he uses sticks in Enter The Dragon.
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Most of what I have heard consistently was that Bruce was rather impatient and his "leaving" as people claim was based on this rather than not wanting to be the 'top dog"
He didn’t close his school in Seattle though. I’m not really saying anything by this but it seems worth noting. Maybe he felt he had attracted too much trouble in the Bay. Just sayin’.