Pretty much the same as the subject. Any additional info or personal experiences training with either party would be appreciated. Thank You.
I don't get mad.
I get stabby.
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Pretty much the same as the subject. Any additional info or personal experiences training with either party would be appreciated. Thank You.
I don't get mad.
I get stabby.
as far as i know, sifu gene chicoine studied under sifu john allen.
I thought Chicoine was the teacher in that duo. :confused:
Can you tell any more details? :)
Is Chicoine legit? Is Allen legit?
I don't get mad.
I get stabby.
Master Gene Chicoine is senior to Sifu John R. Allen. Neptunesfalls, you are incorrect stating that Master Chicoine studies under Sifu John R. Allen. Both of these men have studied under Fee Mon Ong who was legendary in Ohio.
Master Chicoine then met Grandmaster Chang Tung Sheng who was the leader/family head of Baoting Shuai Chiao. Master Chicoine is the present day leader of the International Shuai Jiao Association. GM Chang gave him the keys the association. Not bad in my book.
I have the utmost respect for both men. But its a little rude to put Master Chicoine under Sifu Allen.
In Boston,
Dale Dugas
LOL :D
You may take my life, but you will never take my Freedom
on the Iron Vest tape by Green Dragon, I believe that it's Gene who demonstrates it (although I can't understand his name when he says it, but it sounded like Gene Chicoiwhoever)
Iron
Hello,
I was curious if anyone had the address or a phone number to contact the Green Dragon Studios. I believe they are or were located in Ohio. This is Gene Chicone and John Allens group and produced a series of videos to include Stone Warrior. Anyhow, if anyone can provide a contact method I would appreciate it.
Peace,
Dave
Hi Dave,
I don't think they are currently in the same organization, although they may have been in the past. John Allen is supposedly based in Stow, but I have never found a school. I think he teaches at a kung fu club at Kent State. I always see flyers, but never checked it out. I do have this though:
Green Dragon Studios
c/o Sifu John R. Allen
PO Box 1601
Stow, OH 44224
And Chicone can be reached at:
World Headquarters:
Ho Chun
P.O. Box 9254
Akron, Ohio 44305
Email:info@shuaichiao.com
I know there is a phone number for Chicone's school, and a real address, but I can't find them. Will try later.
Hi KungFu Cowboy,
Thanks for the info I really appreciate it.
If you do find a phone number I would appreciate that as well.
I have never had any dealings with Green Dragon but have heard some good things from others. I am interested in possibly checking out some of the videos they offer.
Thanks again.
Peace,
Dave
Sifu Allen's number is unlisted.
A few years ago I did the Stone Warrior program for a little over a year. I've written a lot about it on the training forum. Do a search for "Stone Warrior" by "IronFist"
Their school is pretty hardcore.
Iron
Thanks Iron Fist,
I will take a look at what you wrote. I am interested in seeing what it is all about as some have said some very good things about it. Anyhow thanks and I will do the search.
Peace,
Dave
If you get anything from him, or do Stone Warrior, definately tell me what you think ok?
I want to compare experiences with someone who has done Stone Warrior, and here I only know one other person and he doesn't post very much o.O
Iron
I bought the stone warrior tapes (multiple tapes?) I havent opened the box yet.
Im not sure If I am going to use them, my buddy might, by I am aware that the techniques might affect the sensativity in my forearms.
I am very interested in this type of (dynamic tension?) training.
strike!
This should be the number for the school.
330-253-4656
Fax: 330-633-2360
Hi KFCB :D
Thanks for the information. I will be contacting them shortly.
Peace,
Dave
Stone Warrior was one tape when I did it.
Maybe you got something else?
Iron
One tape, a t-shirt, a notepad, some other literature (flyers?), and two squeeze-ball things that say "Stone Warrior" on it.
:D
strike!
squeeze ball things? ****, I must have gotten ripped off when i ordered it a few years ago.
i want my squeeze balls!!!
Iron
You know that's illegal in most states!! :p
lol
~K~
"maybe not in combat..... but think of the chicks man, the chicks!"
What is stone warrior?
Fu-Pow
http://www.makskungfu.com/images/Gra...0Fut%20red.gif
Hang on I will cut part of my post about stone warrior.
I'd bump it, but it's in the wrong forum :P
brb
Nah, actually I'll make it its own topic.
Iron
Does anyone know if the school in Stow teaches Iron Palm/fist/body etc.? It seems like they offer a lot. Also, is there actually an organized process of Iron Fist like there is Iron Palm, or is there only the crude method that Pan uses? I would be interested in it, but I certainly don't want my hand looking like that.
I know there's other versions of iron palm then Pan Qing Fu's. Most versions I've seen try to avoid that kind of malformation, but I wouldn't want to get hit with those knuckles, either.
Dŕmn, I think they must spend too much time training and not enough time checking their mail. The first time I ordered a Green Dragon Studios catalog (in 1998) it came in like 3 weeks. I never got any more catalogs from them, and a few months ago I sent in one of their ads for another catalog and I haven't heard anything yet.
Maybe I píssed them off that one time when I wrote a letter to them years ago asking Sifu Allen a few questions about Stone Warrior. Someone once told me that he personally replies to letters, even if it takes a while. Uh, I guess he's like 3 years behind on answering his letters :)
Anyway, anyone hear anything from them recently?
Iron
All I know is that a few people are starting Iron Palm training soon in the Green Dragon program. I'm not sure if he teaches anything like Iron Fist, etc... I haven't been in the program that long.
:o
Iron Fist is just Iron plam only hitting the mung bean bag (gravel or shot depending on what stage your in) with the fist instead of the open palm. Some schools hit the bag with the back of the hand and then the knuckels and fingers to harden the hitting surface used by a fist. It's nothing special or different. Any Iron Hand system contains it. Infact most of what people call Iron Palm is really the entire Iron Hand system and not just the Iron palm by it self.
RD
How many of you are Green Dragon extension family members?
Has anyone obtained a copy of the training manual given to students? I'm not sure if it is only available to those students training in house.
How about the 1000 reps program? any info on that?
I think that Sifu Allen lays it on the line and that kung fu is hard work and if one wants good results one must work for it.
I'd be interested if anyone would post their experiences with Green Dragon.
thanks.
Green Dragon training manual? Can someone hook me up?
IronFist
Green Dragon eh?
There are few places that bear this name. Not all o them are related in any way.
Green Dragon is a fairly generic Kung Fu name when you think about it. i can think of three seperate "Green Dragon" schools.
Come to think of it, black dragon was popular once as well as red dragon, gold dragon and so on.
I myself have been taught "Green Dragon" stuff.
The "tapes" are not the be all and end all of that name, though they do have a fair reputation with the quality of instruction given on their tapes.
peace
I got a basic "training manual" when I started... it's just three pages of basic opening warm-up schtuff. We keep our own manuals/notebooks in the school... we're expected to bring a notebook, and since we learn forms step-by-step, we write them down in there, and it becomes our own personal manual. I think that's what you mean, right?
I have a handout that Sifu Allen typed up outlining the 1,000 reps program, if I could only find where I put it. :o
Hey, I'm going to the school tonight to get some information on this nutritional company that the Sifu likes, so I'll see what I can do, if y'all are interested.
I have many tapes from him. I like his approach.
He belives a good big man will beat a good small man. His strengthening tapes are good.
if you have been thinking of buying his tapes I reccomend them.
cool I was looking at getting some tapes from Green Dragon...was wondering how good they were...thanks guys
Which Green Dragon? The Chi Tao Chuan Green Dragon of the Count Dante days?
say what? :confused:
I dont own any of the beginner ones. but the advanced ones are very good. The forms are not show forms they are actual combat forms and the technique breakdown is excellent.
If you get them and show up at your school doing these techniques people will be impressed.
they are not the end all of information, but they are good.
Yes. The Green Dragon Society of Chicago that was involved in the Great Dojo wars with Count Dante (John Keehan).
well the one I'm thinking of is in Ohio I believe
Just wanted for clarify to anyone interested;
The "Green Dragon Kung Fu Group" in Canada was so named by Master Wong Cheun Yip of Toisan, China, and carried into Canada by Master (Mark) Chan Yin Wah of Edmonton, in the 1960's. The name has special connotations (cultural and martial) which reflect the flavour of the style. We have schools across Canada and the United States. The school's name is still used as such in China.
As Kung Lek pointed out, there are several schools which also use this name in the United States, but are entirely unrelated and unaffiliated.
Just a caution in terms of "extension" groups.
Thank you, Ao Qin
Hey guys, originally he meant Green Dragon STUDIO in Ohio. This was given away by the reference to Sifu Allen.
Seriously now, someone send me a copy of this manual.
IronFist