nei kung and 100 day's with no sex....

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Originally Posted by KnowledgeSeeker

My understanding of the 100 days is that your essence (jing) is transformed into Qi. Later Qi is transformed into shen. If you deplete your essence you lose the vital building block that starts the entire process.

I began pondering this several years ago myself. I began studying male multiple orgasm. In my own experience, Lovemaking lasted for up to 6 hours with many many full body orgasms...each one getting better than the last. Ejaculation was omitted entirely, or at least preserved for the end of the session. Orgasm(s) were powerful and seemed to intensify with each round (circulation).

The key was to not lose ejaculate (essence) and to recirculate the sexual energy through a specific path. All too often with men, ejaculation and orgasm are considered the same thing, but they are two separate occurrences that usually happen simultaneously without training.

Even during extended sessions, my energy reserves grew tremendously during sexual intercourse, instead of having weak legs or feeling depleted. Sex at that point became a dynamic internal energy booster.

Lets face it guys, its not the tactile sensation of having semen pass through your urethra that you are after, it's the intense energy and the release of the orgasm that makes sex so inviting.

Separate the two and you will see a whole new world open to your martial/spiritual training and your physical relationships.

I hope this helps.

-Lee

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Except that all of this is also possible without practicing qigong and WITH sexual release. Not to mention that the noted Philosophical Taoist Liu I-ming, wrote extensively that essence transformation is merely metaphorical and not to be take literally. Something I concluded previous to my discovery of his writings as well.

Not that I am trying to convince anyone not to practice something they find fulfillment from, only that it isn't all that special in reality. You get what you expect to get whether it is qigong or something else. In the end, it is all manifested by your attitude of mind.

I spoke up because earlier in this thread there was mention that there was a 100 day neigong method associated with indoor Wu style. IME, there isn't. They didn't concentrate on that stuff at all. If Wu style people are teaching it, they very likely brought it in from somewhere else, I'm guessing. There is indoor neigong, and there is some joking ribaldry in the terminology, but nothing like what has been described above. I've only been taught Wu style, so all my observations are style-specific. The approach is very natural, Wu Gongzao mentioned several times in his writing that if you focus on circulating qi with your mind it will have unhappy effects. The shen/jing/qi transformations happen anyway, but are amplified by the training naturally. The focus was on training thoroughly for many years to have enough spontaneous energy at your disposal to be able to fight on the battlefield for extended periods of time, a huge expenditure of energy. Any benefit to stamina in other areas is secondary. If we put viagra out of business with Taijiquan, all the better, but that's not the intent...

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Originally Posted by scholar

I spoke up because earlier in this thread there was mention that there was a 100 day neigong method associated with indoor Wu style. IME, there isn't. They didn't concentrate on that stuff at all. If Wu style people are teaching it, they very likely brought it in from somewhere else, I'm guessing. There is indoor neigong, and there is some joking ribaldry in the terminology, but nothing like what has been described above. I've only been taught Wu style, so all my observations are style-specific. The approach is very natural, Wu Gongzao mentioned several times in his writing that if you focus on circulating qi with your mind it will have unhappy effects. The shen/jing/qi transformations happen anyway, but are amplified by the training naturally. The focus was on training thoroughly for many years to have enough spontaneous energy at your disposal to be able to fight on the battlefield for extended periods of time, a huge expenditure of energy. Any benefit to stamina in other areas is secondary. If we put viagra out of business with Taijiquan, all the better, but that's not the intent...

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I agree with nearly all of this perspective.

Qi blockage occurs due to interference, it will balance itself upon the cessation of interference. But it is important that the method we use to help us learn to stop interfering with our system's natural function does not add to the blockage through erroneous attitudes and thoughts.

To me it isn't the practice of qigong that necessarily may lead to problems, but erroneous philosophical principles that motivate the exercises some schools practice!

On that theme, one the principles taught is that if you're training well, your mind will be kept completely occupied just so that it won't be able to interfere with your natural development. Instructors are expected to watch for the beginnings of speculative murmurings. If students are theorizing, they aren't busy enough! This is seen as something the teacher is responsible for avoiding, at least in the early stages. Direct technical questions are OK, flights of fantasy are discouraged.

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Originally Posted by scholar

I spoke up because earlier in this thread there was mention that there was a 100 day neigong method associated with indoor Wu style. IME, there isn't. They didn't concentrate on that stuff at all. If Wu style people are teaching it, they very likely brought it in from somewhere else, I'm guessing. There is indoor neigong, and there is some joking ribaldry in the terminology, but nothing like what has been described above. I've only been taught Wu style, so all my observations are style-specific. The approach is very natural, Wu Gongzao mentioned several times in his writing that if you focus on circulating qi with your mind it will have unhappy effects. The shen/jing/qi transformations happen anyway, but are amplified by the training naturally. The focus was on training thoroughly for many years to have enough spontaneous energy at your disposal to be able to fight on the battlefield for extended periods of time, a huge expenditure of energy. Any benefit to stamina in other areas is secondary. If we put viagra out of business with Taijiquan, all the better, but that's not the intent...

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Great post and I wouldn't worry about putting viagra out of business, when a man boasts about "6 hours of sex" he is going by his "man watch" which when translated works like this:
6 hrs in deluded man = 10 min in real time = 5 min in woman time.
:D

It takes a lot of dedicated energy to pull off 6 hours of begging for 10 minutes of sex! :o

@scholar: Do you practice opening up the meridians in Wu style?

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Originally Posted by scholar

On that theme, one the principles taught is that if you're training well, your mind will be kept completely occupied just so that it won't be able to interfere with your natural development. Instructors are expected to watch for the beginnings of speculative murmurings. If students are theorizing, they aren't busy enough! This is seen as something the teacher is responsible for avoiding, at least in the early stages. Direct technical questions are OK, flights of fantasy are discouraged.

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Yours appears to be one of the most reasonable methods of qigong I have ever come across.

One that actually follows principles of Tao, as opposed to the ones that seem to make up principles or distort principles in order to support bizarre and less productive forms of practice.

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Originally Posted by scholar

It takes a lot of dedicated energy to pull off 6 hours of begging for 10 minutes of sex! :o

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Some might consider it a complete waste of energy, and time. Even the bragging rights gained make one appear more sick than healthy!

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Originally Posted by xinyidizi

@scholar: Do you practice opening up the meridians in Wu style?

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Well, yes and no. Indirectly, I'd say. The training is designed to, but first you have to get the training system down very well to ensure consistency of a balanced result. The doctrine is your body already knows what to do, and will balance and open itself in time if you just train according to the advice of the teachers who have walked down the path you're interested in before you. It's entirely voluntary, though. The student has to be interested enough to see the value, if any, in the end result demonstrated by the teachers.

Traditionally, hung up on the walls in a Wu style school was a quote from one of the classics:

入門引路須口授
功夫無息法自修

Rù mén yǐn lù xū kǒu shǒu
Gōngfu wú xī fǎ zì xiū

Roughly: "The students come to class and hear the instruction, but won't develop real skill until they learn to work it through themselves."

There are specific exercises for specific meridian groups, but that isn't how they are presented. Like I was saying with Scott Brown, it is presented as a set of technical requirements, very precisely, just so that focus will serve to prevent distractions that may interfere with the result desired.

Wu Gongzao wrote about pushing hands, but this also applies to the neigong:

"There are three levels of skill in pushing hands: non-awareness, awareness after the fact, and awareness before the fact."

At first, students feel little or no result from the neigong, then after a while they start to feel better after the training, noticeably and consistently. The more advanced stage is that the body eventually starts opening up and feeling better if you just think about training. Quite a timesaver!

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Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown

Yours appears to be one of the most reasonable methods of qigong I have ever come across.

One that actually follows principles of Tao, as opposed to the ones that seem to make up principles or distort principles in order to support bizarre and less productive forms of practice.

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The approach is very Taoist in focus. The teachers I studied with used to say "Taijiquan is Taoism." Wu Gongzao's writings are crowded with quotes from the Taoist literature to illustrate his points. I've been choring through the Gold Book in Chinese, and one of the more difficult things for my limited skill is picking up on when he's quoting someone or saying something new himself. But still, the focus is on natural development (aided by the training, though) and especially softness in the neutralization.

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Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown

Some might consider it a complete waste of energy, and time. Even the bragging rights gained make one appear more sick than healthy!

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I'm old now, but I still remember life as a teenager! :D

I was just told by my teacher to not train kung fu for 2 days after sex, but he never mentioned 100 days

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Originally Posted by xiao yao

I was just told by my teacher to not train kung fu for 2 days after sex, but he never mentioned 100 days

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That is still unnecessary.

u also have to remember the context of the times: prevention was a paramount component before the advent of medicines like antibiotics - the sort of upper respiratory infection that we don't even pay much attention to now would have been life-threatening 200 yrs ago; meaning that, if u got a little run down in any capacity, it cud b a quick, one way descent into something serious, especially given the poor public health conditions vis a vis sanitation, infection ctrl, etc.; so it's not a huge jump to think that some might have related the post- orgasmic coital period to a depletion state that could lead to illness, and to b avoided as such;

also, think about it - what sort of STD's were running around and how were they understood / prevented? even w monogamy u cud'nt b sure ur partner was doing the same, so abstinence was one sure way of preventing that;

and what about social taboos around self-gratification in general? many cultures look down on it - in the west, we are told it's morally wrong; in other areas, it cud b proscribed bec it is unhealthy as a ways of inforcing a subtext of morality...


point is, that i think there r a lot of less obvious factors behind the whole retention thing - what we might get passed down as a straight-forward recommendation may hav been influenced and colored by many things over the years...

I had to and am still tested at times. It is required to help alchemically dissolve internal barriers. The ecstasy can open spiritual doors but you don't want to be governed by the urge, especially if someone can force that urge, remotely, into your mind.

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Originally Posted by Hendrik

This is real Neigong deal by any standard.



内功之传，脉络甚真，不知脉络，勉强用之，则无益而有损。

卷一内功篇


学医道者，不可不明乎经络，何况习内功乎？若不明脉络，犹习射而操弓矢，其不能也决矣。能内景 遂道，返观而 以察之，则体用兼备矣。

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thank you senior

yes I agree this is true in my neigong practice