2000 a month fulltime china training

would you be willing to pay 2000 a month for full time,one to one,semi private one to one or one to two students, shaolin training as well as iron hand and iron body qi gong,full room and board[very simple style].learning real kung fu and hard qi gong.[not a tourist attraction]but serious teacher serious students. with a former shaolin temple monk,disciple under Shi Yong Xin. also included chinese lesson from a certified chinese teacher,in shenzhen china,the most modern and new city in china. one hour from hong kong.

Dollars or RMB? If it's dollars then absolutely not, if it's RMB then that's a pretty good deal.

in dollars how much do you think is reasonable? talking semi private teacher/disciple type training in china, iron hand ,iron body and shaolin.and chinese lessons

It depends. How many other people? Will you have your own room or be sharing it with the other students? Is the food vegetarian. If it's your own room and they feed you meat then I think 1000 USD would be reasonable. If your sharing the room and it's vegetarian food, then no more than 500, I think.

But ultimately it comes down to, can you afford it and can you find it anywhere else? If this is really what you're looking for and if you can't find it any other way, then if you can afford to pay it's ok.

Also, my perception on price may be a little skewed as I have not been living anywhere as expensive as Shenzen in China.
[In Kunming, 3000 RMB would easily cover a decent apartment for one and food for the month (1500 for each). Just to give you a sense of the prices I'm used to.]

I know this isn't what you're looking for, but just to give you more perspective on cost, I think living and training at the Shaolin Temple costs about $1000/month. (4 to a room[nice rooms w/ac] and meat to eat--classes under 10 people)

Hope this is helpful. Personally, I don't feel that training 30 hours a week is actually any more productive (for me) than training 15. I'd rather have my own place and job and just study part time--preferably with my teacher back in the States. :)

2k usd for kung fu training in china per month?

yeah, that's an obvious rip off no matter how you slice it.

farmer makes 2k a year

I gave my shifu less than 2k for lifetime training which is 3 times a week for me. However it's not a private class and most of the partner drills and sparring is between the students with the help of the senior students. This is enough for me as a hobbyist because the rest of the time I enjoy training moves and weapons on my own.
The only case that I can accept 2k a month in China is if the teacher is highly skilled and does serious sparring and partner drills with you and becomes your training partner as YKW described in another thread. If it's just some taolu, hard qigong and occasionally showing some application then I think 2k is too much.

I honestly can't think of any circumstances where that would be an acceptable payment.

It's beyond ludicrous to ask for that.

Like charging 100k for a two seater 2002 Toyota corolla.

It ain't worth it and it doesn't matter who teaches it. It's unreasonable and greedy.
the fact that it is over the top greedy tells me immediately that the person making the offer lacks Kung Fu in the whole sense of the word. lol they are just exploiting you. A person with Kung Fu is not an exploiter of anyone or anything but leaks in his opponent whilst fighting.

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farmer makes 2k a year

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Farmers need to find a way to market their lifestyle to idle westerners and get a piece of that lifestyle tourism action.

Only for the truly rugged™

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You spend all season tilling barren soil fed by dangerously polluted ground water. At the end the local government expropriates your land. Only $2,000 a month.

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Farmers need to find a way to market their lifestyle to idle westerners and get a piece of that lifestyle tourism action.

Only for the truly rugged™

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Just let them wear robes and give them different colored sashes while they do the farm work. Tell them it is ancient Chinese secret. I want in on this endeavor.

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Just let them wear robes and give them different colored sashes while they do the farm work. Tell them it is ancient Chinese secret. I want in on this endeavor.

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I don't get this.

Wiz, weren't you complaining in the Shaolin Circus thread that Shaolin teachers don't know the applications of the forms? Do you think US$2000 will fix that?

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I don't get this.

Wiz, weren't you complaining in the Shaolin Circus thread that Shaolin teachers don't know the applications of the forms? Do you think US$2000 will fix that?

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you are lowering his self esteem. somebody ban this guy.

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Also, my perception on price may be a little skewed as I have not been living anywhere as expensive as Shenzen in China.
[In Kunming, 3000 RMB would easily cover a decent apartment for one and food for the month (1500 for each). Just to give you a sense of the prices I'm used to.]

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im talking about longgang,the rent is dirt cheap there,so good points you made there,thanks

nobody is asking this price,i want to get an idea. james mcneal and other teachers in the states charge more,so i thought if you can do the same,and get the chance to live abroad.but ok,maybe it isnt reasonable that price,thats why im asking for opinions.

and i love shaolin kung and feel it has a lot to offer,physically and mentally. but i honestly feel there is something wrong with the teaching of applications,probably because of the cultural revolution,or the reason i mentioned before

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Just replace Paleo Diet with Dysentery.

I hate it when kungfu becomes about money however I know that Shenzhen is expensive and good kungfu "can" be expensive. Maybe it would be better if you could be more specific. For example how much is for the rent? How much is for the Chinese language teacher? How many hours does the kungfu teacher train you? Does he spar with you?


Also I should ask why would someone who wants to become a serious full-time student of kungfu want to go to an expensive city like Shenzhen when you have cheap places offering the same thingin in other parts of China. Is there anything special about the teacher?

this is only an idea now, and maybe 2000 is too much,that's why i'm asking. personally i would rather not be stuck out in a village, mountains or country. maybe when i was 20,but i would rather do about 4 or 5 hours of training then be able to go to a starbucks or a bar and have some kind of social life. and this training will be like a teacher/disciple training. not the masses. i train this way now and enjoy it very much. the training is personal and suited to fit your age body type physical abilities ect.

To put things in perspective, I can set up a full time program for a person in Osaka, Japan which will cost them approximately US$1200 a month, including room, training, food, (and beer and karaoke:D). Tack on an extra $100 dollars if you want to study Japanese language.

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To put things in perspective, I can set up a full time program for a person in Osaka, Japan which will cost them approximately US$1200 a month, including room, training, food, (and beer and karaoke:D). Tack on an extra $100 dollars if you want to study Japanese language.

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Yes, but I'm assuming this is group training?

2k US is an insane amount of money for even full time training in China.

For that price I would expect the teacher to pretty much put his whole life on hold, provide banquet dinners regularly and the training would be something like a full time intensive one on ones. I could see it maybe for a single month because you'd have to be living in a hotel rather than renting a flat and you could make it a big event with plenty of tourism in the afternoons after your 4-5 hour morning training sessions.

Shenzen is expensive but, to put it in perspective, I live in Xi'an, not exactly a 1st tier city but we have Starbucks and a subway and about 5 or 6 million people here.

As a westerner working pretty much full time (if only 9 months out of the year) I only make about $800/month. $2000/month USD in Xi'an is more than the entire income of guys I know who own, not rent, 2 or 3 flats in town and drive a western car even though the tarif is something like 100%.

So what I am saying is that $2000/mont in Xi'an is like, factory owner rich guy who sends his kids to America for a year in high school territory.

Just sayin.

Will it be the kind of Shaolin that has no martial application whatsoever taught by a master who obviously doesn’t understand fighting?

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Will it be the kind of Shaolin that has no martial application whatsoever taught by a master who obviously doesn’t understand fighting?

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o you are so clever

but on a serious note. my teacher does teach forms and some application,[whether i like the applications of shaolin or not, doesn't reflect on my teacher's skills,is my opinion]. But his specialty is iron hand, head and body. which i find can be very useful in a fighting situation's. he does also teach some simple strikes to go along with the iron hand training. which I feel could **** someone up if you are striking them with a really hard fist. cause this iron hand training is brutal. and my hands do feel like weapons.

Not a chance in hell. You know how many KFC chickens you can buy for that price

If you are happy and are making enough money in shenzhen then go for it. In other cities it's much cheaper but as someone said it's hard to make any money in other cities.

this isnt for me, this is an idea i had for people to travel to china and train here, but i guess it really is too much, just testing the waters. i already train with my teacher,for a different rate, i am happy training with him,good teacher good stuff

I'm sure there are foreigners who would pay that much or even more for training with a famous teacher but there should be a marketing plan for attracting them. It's difficult to say how much the value of something like kungfu is for different people. For "some" Chinese when it comes to real shifu disciple relationship they might even give their shifu a lot more than that without having any obligations. I know someone who bought his shifu an apartment. My own shifu didn't ask me for a lot of money and has been very good to me in these years. I'm sure I will give him more when I leave China.

you have any clips of your or your masters training?
iron palm is great if you can hit your opponent, but if you cannot hit him or he grapples with you and breaks your arms, it was a waste or training.
i think it is more important to know where and how to strike than just spend hours pounding your hands but that is just me.

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Yes, but I'm assuming this is group training?

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It is, but if you are there for full-time training, you are sure to get lots of one-on-one time with the teaching staff. And in most group training, at least half of the class are yudansha or "black belt level." Skill is built up through training with and testing yourself against as many different people possible. So instead of getting training with one "master" you get to train with several masters and a large group of advanced practicioners.

Wiz Cool C, does your teacher have the authority to get visas for students?

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you have any clips of your or your masters training?
iron palm is great if you can hit your opponent, but if you cannot hit him or he grapples with you and breaks your arms, it was a waste or training.
i think it is more important to know where and how to strike than just spend hours pounding your hands but that is just me.

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thats part of the training

my teacher also teaches an exercise where you use a fighting stance and footwork and practice practical simple strikes against a special wall striking pad. as well how to use basic strikes against an opponent. so it is not simple pounding of the hands in various ways. along with many other methods of developing power in strikes as well as conditioning the body. best way to understand this would be to pick up a copy of kung fu/tai chi's current issue,there is an article i wrote about my teachers methods in it.