Everyone likes to think they are fast :)
And we see quite a bit of clips and demos of speed on things that DON'T hit back, but what about speed and combos VS someone actually fighting back?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URyaq...feature=relmfu
Printable View
Everyone likes to think they are fast :)
And we see quite a bit of clips and demos of speed on things that DON'T hit back, but what about speed and combos VS someone actually fighting back?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URyaq...feature=relmfu
gotta love sugars combination of fast hands and quick footwork
Greetings,
Looking at the clip, most of the speed boxers were also offensive fighters. Their opponents were not always answering back punch for punch. What is important to note is their positioning, sensitivity, timing, and ability to adapt fluidly to gates/targets that open and close. There were many instances where the attacker was vulnerable, just like some poor guy in some mcdojo who is putting a hurtin' on the guy in a bow stance holding his punching arm straight out, locked. The difference being the boxer's ability to adjust and deal with what may come his way.
mickey
Clinch and hang on for grim death ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin
Most of those opponents were top 5 ranked and most were championship fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickey
They weren't hitting back because they couldn't, not because they weren't "allowed" to.
Gonna have to watch that one for later.
Other than Sugar Ray Leonard & Sugar Ray Robinson, you may want to check out Meldrick Taylor.
Before the Chavez fight, that guy was FAST.
Also check out vintage Roy Jones if you haven't already.
For foot speed and/or defense, see Willie Pep, Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker, and Benny Leonard. All 3 of those guys are virtuosos.
It would have been nice to see RJJ fight someone that REALLY pushed him in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pork Chop
Such is life though.
Not just combos but speed, precision and hitting from every angle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPKdA4yAti4
Sugar Ray is my second favourite boxer of all time.
OF ALL TIME!!!
Ima let you finish....
*throws mic down*
Thanks Kanye:DQuote:
Originally Posted by David Jamieson
Did I mention I met him last weekend? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin
Had to drive him to Saekson's house at one point.
Might be d0rky, but the idea of cruising around with Samart riding shotgun was one of the high points of my life. LOL
Girlie fanboy :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Pork Chop
J/K, cool.
hehe thanx :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Brule
We tried to get him to go to this huge Laos new year party at the Laotian temple.
He couldn't go for fear of being mobbed by the thousands of people there.
Even in Laos he's very well known.
Greetings,
sanjuro ronin, regardless of rankings there was an element that kept some of those guys from hitting back and it was FEAR. Those champions hit fast and HARD. At some point you will have to suck it up and deal or falter.
mickey
Ah, I understand what you mean and YES, what all those guys had in common was not only that they hit fast but HARD.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickey
Something that the "slappty-slap" crew don't get.
When you are "in the zone" and youre dealing with the situation instant by instant, then there really not need be such thing as a combo; that is, its not planned--its just the next strike you throw, based on the way the situation keeps unfolding.
If you have clearly better timing than your opponent, then you can go from a place of defense to a place of offense and maintain control. If his timing is better, then youre just trying to hang on til the end! ;)
In the video above, theres a lot of significant gaps of ability between Sugar Ray and his opponents, so he is always controlling and dominating. And sometimes the skill level is closer, so there is more back and forth.
Good article on shoe shine combinations.
http://www.expertboxing.com/punch-te...ne-combination
Hagler vs Sugar Ray
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmXwEJARuN8
I hate Roy Jones! His whole career he was talking about fighting more than one guy on one night or at one time and it was all talk. Hey, with his talent, at the least he could've scored over a hundred victories in his career like Ricardo "Finito" Lopez! Finito never talked about it, he just did it. Roy was so talented you wanted to see him do something outstanding in the sport; but the only outstanding thing he ever did was talk about doing something no one else in his day could do. Blah....Quote:
Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin
No arguing about his mouth BUT in all fairness to RJJ, he HAD to hype his fights, LOL !Quote:
Originally Posted by Faruq
Just a product of the "hype generation" that is still with us in all sports it seems.
Yeah you're right, he should've hyped his fights. The things he was actually going to do. Not all the things he was never going to do. lol All the other fighters hyped what they were going to do: their fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin
Greetings,
When both fighters are hard, aggressive, hitters, Hagler vs Hearns (1985). One of the most intense fights I have ever seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VI-M9Yw-28
When both are hitters, it comes down to defense. In my opinion, Hagler's defense was cocaine. I believe it was used to deaden the effects of the blows received (and Tommy Hearns was throwing some bombs). Though I state the aforementioned as opinion, someone who was into the boxing game was surprised that I picked up on that. It came to light later on, from Hagler's girlfriend, that he had developed a cocaine habit.
mickey
Ahhhhhhhh, youve seen Joe Calgahe fight i see ;)Quote:
Something that the "slappty-slap" crew don't get.
Wow, that's the first I've heard of a Hagler coke habit.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickey
Leonard's coke habit was legendary.
Coke use was pretty widespread.
http://www.proboxing-fans.com/cocain...dscape_022810/
EDIT: It seems hagler's alleged cocaine use is still somewhat in debate:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...6738/index.htm
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...6497/index.htm
http://www.secondsout.com/columns/ma...arvelous-fight
Hi Pork Chop,
The article really did not say how cocaine helps you in the ring. I was going to mention Aaron Pryor in my previous post. I really think cocaine gave him the edge in his first fight with Arguello. You could have whacked him with a hammer and two baseball bats and he would have still been standing. I was an Arguello fan. I love technicians. And everything Arguello pulled out of his bag did not work. I never saw Pryor as being that tough; then again, he had Panama Lewis in his corner.
One giveaway of cocaine use for both Hagler and Pryor was the sudden appearance of puffiness around the bridge of the nose and eyebrow area. They looked terrible. I remember their "before" look. And if you look for photos that were taken earlier in their careers, you will see a dramatic difference. After their alleged use, they started to look as if they were bitten by something uncanny.
mickey
Regardless of his substance abuse problems, the Hawk is a legend, especially those fights with Arguello. I've only seen a few clips of him, he's been on my list of guys I need to see footage of for years and years now.
Interesting theory on the cocaine. Cocaine's use as a numbing agent is common knowledge, so the idea that it could give you a better chin seems to have some traction.
Hagler's one of my all-time favorites; so I kind of have mixed feelings about the idea of him using cocaine. I used to train with Ray's brother Roger, and I used to joke with him (Roger) every time I came to the gym: "you know hagler won that fight right?" :)