If you throw your hip into the kick and allow it to go "over", its almost impossible NOT to pivot with the supporting foot.
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If you throw your hip into the kick and allow it to go "over", its almost impossible NOT to pivot with the supporting foot.
you pivot as the leg is raising? seems like that will take away from the kicks power.
If you don't have room to take that step, you are not in proper range for the kick anyway. However, to answer the question, yeah, I would pivot. but I have a background in other MA, so I was taught to pivot. I am not sure what a guy who was never taught to pivot would do - he may just throw another technique. If you are in infighting range, do you throw a hook, or try to force a jab even though you are too close? same thing.
I suppose it would depend on where my foot is at when i throw the kick, but just messing around throwing fast ones, its a simultaneous accurance for me, as my kicking leg begins to lift weight my pivot happens. not to say once the leg is already off the ground...if that makes sense.
as to the rest, that make sense.
does make me wonder what would be taught to one who does not pivot without a step for that particular scenario.
I don't think it does. You do away with a lot of friction if you pivot on the ball of your foot as you raise the leg. The trick is the shoulder, hip, and standing leg all have to turn at the same time. Here's a good example:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/672/kicker2tk9.gif
that guy is stepping and then pivoting as he kicks. That's normal. If that's what Lucas was talking about, then no, I don't think that would detract from the power of the kick. That's not what I envisioned when I read his post though. In the pic you posted, the guy doesn't pivot as soon as his leg raises - he steps, and when his leg is about hip height and he's ready to actually throw the kick, he pivots.
The degree of picot is also effected by the height of the kick in some methods.
I think that most can agree that some pivot of the support leg is better than no pivot, and that in kicks thrown with full hip rotation that pivoting is ideal, wither one pivots as we kick or pivots before the kick becomes one of personal preference I think.
We can probably agree that, in regards to kicking counters to the support leg WHILE the leg is up or while the support leg carries the weight of the body during the kick, getting kicked there hurts like heck.
sounds like someone is trying to bring this thread to a close...;)
To pivot, or not to pivot.
Is that really the question?
How could you not pivot?
did you read the whole thread, or just the last page?
Aww, common 7*, you know any thread on this forum that is 9 pages long stays so true to the original topic that you only need to read the last 3 or 4 posts to get the gist of the whole thread.....;):p
There are so many variations! Even in Muay Thai, (espacially in the old styles) depending on how you want to affect the target there are different degrees of pivoting. Angulation of the strike also plays alot into it. It is much easier to pivot on a low kick than a high one.
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