http://www.wnbc.com/news/17387598/detail.html
I'd suggest torture for the perp, but maybe just beheading him and putting his kopf on a post to warn others would be better....
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http://www.wnbc.com/news/17387598/detail.html
I'd suggest torture for the perp, but maybe just beheading him and putting his kopf on a post to warn others would be better....
Article about the Zimmerman thing, but contains some interesting statistics about the lethality of fist fighting, and why.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...teenager_.html
people are fragile
if we strike the vital point with a punch or a kick
knock out
or death
may occur.
:eek:
We've discussed this case on the Trayvon Martin thread, and I was going to merge but then decided this has different discussion potential as it stands. Those are good stats so I'm c&ping them into the forum archive here.
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Punched to Death
How easy is it to kill a man with your bare hands?
By Brian Palmer|Posted Friday, May 18, 2012, at 7:02 PM ET
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It happens more than twice a day, on average. Fists and feet were responsible for 745 murders in 2010, or 5.7 percent of all murders that year, according to FBI statistics. (The data on this have been remarkably stable in recent years. In the five preceding years, the percentage of murders perpetrated by fists or feet fluctuated between 5.6 and 6.1.) It doesn’t even take an experienced brawler to punch someone to death: An 11-year-old California girl appears to have killed a classmate with her bare hands in a February fistfight.
There are no official statistics on this, but most fistfight deaths are the result of massive internal bleeding from repeated blows, often after the victim has been knocked down or unconscious. Still, under certain circumstances it’s possible to kill a man with a single punch. In July, for example, a Florida man was arrested for killing someone with a haymaker in a Las Vegas casino.
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Boxers describing a classic knockout punch talk about snapping their opponent’s head back or turning it around. That’s because punching someone unconscious—or killing them—usually results from the rotational forces placed on the head, not from the direct impact of the fist itself. A hook to the side of the head, or an uppercut to the chin, can send the head spinning, which breaks blood vessels inside the skull. In these cases, victims may die of internal bleeding hours after the fight, with friends and emergency medical personnel never realizing what was going on.
Sometimes the rotational forces on the head leave the blood vessels intact but stress the neurons to the point that they cease to function normally, causing a loss of consciousness. The victim then smashes his head on the concrete, which causes bleeding or other catastrophic brain injury. This scenario played out in 2003, when a drunken bar fly in San Diego killed a former Marine with a sucker punch. (Zimmerman’s attorneys will likely emphasize the danger of pavement in a fistfight, as police photos show injuries to the back of his head.)
Biomechanics research shows why these one-punch deaths are rare events. Automotive and athletic safety experts use a measure called the Head Injury Criterion to determine the lethality of knocks to the head. A score of 1,000 indicates that the impact would cause a life-threatening injury to one in six people. Olympic boxers can only punch up to around 164 on the scale, according to a study from 2005. The element of surprise is a major factor. A person who knows he’s going to be punched braces himself and tenses his neck muscles, preventing rapid rotation. (That’s why boxers work hard to develop their neck strength.)
Body blows can also kill under some circumstances. A punch aimed directly at the heart, delivered at a particular moment in the heart’s beating sequence, can cause it to go into a deadly arrhythmia. The condition, known as commotio cordis, usually occurs during sporting events but has also been seen in fistfights.
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Proof once again that Dim Mak works :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneChing
I also think you'll find many instances where the human body takes a beating without suffering ill effects. The human body is both delicate and resilient. I guess it depends on the location of the strike and how prepared the recipient is for the punch. Interesting stuff.
There is one thing we need to remember and that was that the "one punch, one kill" thing was referring to "coup de grace" on one side and to instill the proper notion of "every strike should end the fight" principle that SOME MA systems had.
The fact that those MA that were good enough to be "one shot knockout masters" can be counted on "one hand", much like in boxing for example, shows that TRUE "one shot, one kill" fighters were and still are, very rare.
as in most Martial Arts, the concept of "One shot, one kill," is an ideal-something to strive for, like achieving perfection, not actually to be reached.
I tell my students,"We strive for perfection, because on the way to perfection, excellence will be reached."
This is a debate since time long ago.
We may land a decisive hit or move at first try.
We may use several moves in a row to defeat the opponent.
The first idea would be like a bomber. We drop a bomb to wipe out the area.
The second idea would be like a fighter. We fire a salvo of bullets with machine guns. We rain bullets and hopefully at least one would hit.
Both are valid.
Both are per sued.
:)
Don't rely on one shot guys, have something to back it up (unless you are Jackie Chan!)
I see this the opposite way, gongfupanda. It's more of a caveat than a strategy. One punch could be lethal by accident, and then you're up for manslaughter.
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Bay to Breakers victim 'incredibly positive'
Jaxon Van Derbeken
Tuesday, June 12, 2012
In his late 20s, in the midst of the recession, Stephen Martin parlayed his job as a property manager into a niche business - calculating the costs for condominium associations and the rates they should charge residents.
At 30, he had his business starting to take off. During his downtime, the 6-foot-4 dynamo was a fitness fanatic who loved tennis, worked out and ran races, including the Bay to Breakers.
He was celebrating the May 20 race in typical San Francisco fashion, wearing a bright-green wig as he gathered with friends dressed as troll dolls at Golden Gate Park. They were hanging out with a group of strangers when someone abruptly ended the Santa Clara man's promising future with a single punch.
The blow from one of the strangers knocked Martin to the pavement, and he never regained consciousness. On Friday, after being removed from life support, he died at San Francisco General Hospital.
'Tragic crime'
The attack happened during the second year of a crackdown on drinking and unruly behavior during an event that has become synonymous with San Francisco's lightheartedness. The race's rowdyism, however, had never taken such a sinister turn.
"This is a tragic crime," police Cmdr. John Loftus said Monday. "This gentleman finished running the Bay to Breakers race several hours before, he was socializing with this group, and now he's dead."
The punch came from a man in a group of about a dozen post-race revelers, who included men wearing 49ers jerseys and a woman in an orange tutu, police said. Investigators released photos showing Martin, his friends and some members of the group, taken shortly before the attack at Sharon Meadow, and appealed for people who might have videos or other photos to contact them in hopes of making an arrest.
"We need all the pictures we can get to make the case," Police Chief Greg Suhr said at a news conference. "We can't get enough photographs."
Cell phone dispute
Police gave few details about what led up to the attack, which happened around 5 p.m., several hours after the race ended. Loftus said it involved a dispute over a cell phone but did not elaborate. He also said it may have been gang related, while hastening to add that Martin had not been in a gang.
One reason for the appeal for additional photos, police said, is that investigators haven't come up with a specific suspect. Police have identified some but not all of the people in the photos they released, Loftus said.
"Any one of these people may have assaulted Stephen Martin," he said.
'Where is the justice?'
Friends and associates struggled with the chain of events that cut Martin's life short.
"I'm really heartbroken," said Linda Schoeffner, who consulted with Martin's firm, SMA California, in coming up with costs and charges for condo associations. "I can't believe he was gone. He's definitely going to be missed in this industry."
"It's crazy; it's so pointless and senseless," said Erik Sundquist, a former contractor who worked with Martin at SMA. "Where is the justice in the world where that happens?"
Sundquist said he and Martin met in acting class three years ago. Martin was not interested in pursuing acting, but offered Sundquist a chance to reinvent himself following the 2008 economic collapse.
Martin told him he had studied economics at UC Santa Barbara and had hit upon a way to rapidly and accurately determine what homeowners should pay to condo associations for upkeep.
"He gained some experience and came up with an innovation," Sundquist said. "Innovation, that was one of his key qualities."
Sundquist added, "The business started modestly, and then business was growing. One of the most tragic things in this is that Stephen had such a vision of what he was going to do with the business. Now it's a shame he won't see it come to fruition. He was kicking butt."
Trying to save business
Sundquist hopes to keep the company alive. "The one thing I can do to honor his legacy and what he did," he said, "is to keep it moving in the direction he wanted to go.
"It would have been amazing to see where he would have taken all this, and how quickly," Sundquist said. "He was an incredibly positive, energetic person who you would have been better off for having met."
Chronicle staff writer Will Kane contributed to this report.
Tips on slaying
Police seek photos or videos of Stephen Martin, above, and his friends or the people they met in Golden Gate Park, or other details about the fatal attack. Call (415) 575-4444 or text TIP411.
Jaxon Van Derbeken is a San Francisco Chronicle staff writer. E-mail: jvanderbeken@sfchronicle.com. Twitter: @jvanderbeken
Hey, it happened to Sagacious Lu. ;)
Vid behind the link. So senseless and tragic.
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SEE IT: Sheriff's deputy killed by single punch to the head following traffic collision
BY BRIAN LISI
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Thursday, January 4, 2018, 1:45 PM
A 70-year-old, off-duty sheriff's deputy is dead after a fellow driver punched him in the skull.
San Bernardino County Sheriff's Deputy Lawrence Falce had braked his vehicle to avoid hitting two dogs when he got rear-ended by Alonzo Leron Smith.
In footage captured by a surveillance camera setup by a nearby store, Smith and Falce can be seen briefly talking to one another on New Year's Eve before Smith appears to strike the veteran law enforcement official in the head, sending him to ground where his skull then collides with the pavement.
"This person needs to spend the rest of his life in prison," San Bernardino County District Attorney Michael Ramos told the LA Times. "We need to get this career criminal off the streets who's been in prisons and jails ever since he was able to be tried as an adult."
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San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Deputy Lawrence Falce (SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT)
According to Ramos, Smith has been in prison for selling marijuana and gang activity.
After the brutal blow, the assailant attempted to flee only to have a witness try and stop him.
"He jumped in his car and tried to leave, so I rammed him once and then I backed up and he was able to go around my actual truck," the unidentified witness told KTLA, "so I rammed him a second time in the back of his car and spun him out across the street and into a … tree."
Regardless, Smith still managed to escape, leaving the witness to cradle Falce while they waited for paramedics.
Ohio cop fatally shot during domestic dispute call, suspect dead
Falce's attacker would eventually be arrested 12 hours later while the sheriff's deputy succumbed to his injuries Tuesday evening after getting placed on life support.
Falce has been with the sheriff's department for 36 years.
Meanwhile, Smith pleaded not guilty to murder and other charges at his arraignment on Wednesday and is being held at the San Bernardino County jail on $1 million bail.
He is back in court Jan 9.
The full uncensored "eyewitness" video is here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...led-punch.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneChing
It's the first vid on that item page. It was very hard to find, no telling how long it will be there. American news media either chopped and diced it or censored it - apparently also kept off youtube. Even one news outlet that was pretending to show the video said "We won't show you the punch"
Yeah ,well thanks for nothing and wasting my time with the fake misleading cutline. Right real snowflake of them.
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It was nothing much, just one swing, he went down backwards full length and never moved - probably hit his head on the cement. He was totally unprepared for sudden violence from an angry suspect. Maybe every police office should watch some Richard Grannon or Geoff Thompson on preparedness or fence-like tactics The perp's preliminary behaviour was red flag to the max. But nanny state in the UK banned Richard Grannon videos and the deputy apparently was a nerd ardently pursing bad guys but more on the computer side of things
Anyway, crud happens, it's the Tao of Crud.
No word on whether the "itinerant gang member" was a "dreamer" or illegal immigrant/invader. No yes or no. I looked..the subject doesn't exist.."crickets". The MSN Globalists would never report honestly on anything undermines their political agenda or something that they are responsible for creating. That's to be expected.
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Long ago I read of a couple giving blood just after their wedding. The guy was a little dizzy, fell hit his head and died.
Every move you make, every breath you take, your life hangs by a thread. Death is watching you.
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The Innuit, used to be, if they killed someone by accident they would take their clothes off, lie down in the snow and die with them. I guess it's not cold enough in Cali.
Killing somebody is killing somebody and the killer doesn't belong in the world anymore. They can be rehabilitated in the next life.
"Manslaughter" is a snowflake policy for a generation that has been indoctrinated to be victims and not protect their existence.
"the punch itself was not fatal" Nevertheless, something to consider when punching racists.
Anyone know which states carry a “duty to retreat” provision?
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A man hurled racist slurs and a punch at a FedEx driver — then died after he was punched back
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By Alex Horton November 21
Timothy Warren was driving his FedEx truck through a verdant neighborhood in Portland, Ore., when the man he would soon kill screamed that Warren was going too fast.
Warren stopped his truck. He was exhausted, he tried to explain to Joseph Magnuson that day in late September, and just wanted to get done with his work.
Magnuson was unrelenting and hurled numerous aggressive insults and racist slurs at him.
That was something Warren, who is black, could not abide.
He stepped out of the truck, and both men yelled at each other.
Magnuson took a swing. Warren swung back, connecting a single blow above Magnuson’s left eye that sent him tumbling to the ground.
Magnuson, 55, briefly lost consciousness, then died later that evening.
Prosecutors, however, have decided not to charge Warren, 41, with a crime. He did not intend to kill Magnuson and acted in self-defense during the Sept. 26 incident, the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office said in a memo released Monday.
Magnuson’s death from the fall was precipitated by “extremely poor health,” a medical examiner concluded, and the punch itself was not fatal, Senior Deputy District Attorney Adam Gibbs wrote.
Warren was within his legal right to challenge Magnuson’s “racist vitriol,” Gibbs noted, and said that Warren’s decision to confront Magnuson — rather than ignore him — was not legally significant.
[She was ‘white and hot’ in a racist rant. Now #SouthParkSusan is charged with misusing 911.]
Prosecutors and police pieced together the events using accounts from six eyewitnesses with different views of the fight; three of them observed the entire encounter. They all maintained that Warren had driven at an acceptable speed and that Magnuson started the incident and then escalated it.
“They report,” Gibbs wrote, “that Mr. Magnuson then ‘very aggressively’ began yelling at Mr. Warren to slow down. Mr. Warren stopped his truck while Mr. Magnuson continued to berate him. The witnesses agree that Mr. Magnuson called Mr. Warren a ‘****ing ******’ in combination with other aggressive and abusive phrases ‘over and over again.’ ”
The three witnesses who saw the entire incident said Magnuson threw a drink before he threw the first punch.
Warren cooperated with police and gave statements consistent with eyewitness accounts, Gibbs wrote in his memo.
He could not be reached for comment.
Magnuson was living in a van near the park where the deadly encounter occurred, district attorney spokesman Brent Weisberg told The Washington Post.
A friend of Magnuson who lived with him, identified only as “Mr. Bayle,” told prosecutors that he did not see the altercation and only heard Magnuson yell at Warren to slow down. But he said he believed nothing would have occurred had Warren kept driving.
Gibbs agreed.
“However,” the prosecutor wrote, “the decision by Mr. Warren, who is black, to not let the racist vitriol to which he was being subjected go unanswered is not of legal significance . . . Mr. Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Magnuson was addressing him.”
Oregon law does not carry a “duty to retreat” provision that would have required Warren to reasonably remove himself from danger, Gibbs wrote.
“Mr. Magnuson’s actions, as reported by all three witnesses and Mr. Warren, gave rise to a reasonable belief on Mr. Warren’s part that a limited use of force was necessary to prevent injury to himself,” Gibbs wrote.
The announcement by the prosecutor’s office on Monday was the first public mention of Magnuson’s death and the ensuing investigation, the Oregonian reported; it was unclear why prosecutors had only recently released information about the incident.
It was the fourth homicide in Portland this year later determined the result of self-defense. The people defending themselves in three of those incidents, including Warren, were working when they were attacked, according to the Oregonian.
It’s unclear whether Warren still works for FedEx; a company spokeswoman declined to answer a question about his employment status.
The company said it “fully cooperated with law enforcement during the investigation of this unfortunate incident. We extend our condolences to all those affected,” FedEx Ground spokeswoman Nikki Mendicino said in a statement.
The bottom line here is that if ever you punch someone, be prepared to get busted for manslaughter.
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Philadelphia Man Allegedly Killed with Single Punch After Asking Dog Owner to Put Leash on Pet
People
Harriet Sokmensuer
January 10, 2019
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Philadelphia Man Allegedly Killed with Punch in Dog Dispute
What started as an evening walk with his fiancée and dog ended in tragedy for a Philadelphia man who died after he asked another dog owner to put his dog on a leash, according to police reports obtained by multiple outlets.
On Saturday, Drew Justice, his fiancée and their Shih Tzu went for a walk in Gold Star Park. Witnesses told police Justice was attacked when he asked another dog owner to put a leash on his pet, the Philadelphia Inquirer reports.
“He was scared” of the dog, resident Anthony Barosso told NBC10.
The owner allegedly punched the 38-year-old in the face in response, forcing him to fall backwards and hit his head, according to local station CBS3, citing police reports.
Justice was taken to a local hospital, the Inquirer reports. He succumbed to his injuries later that night, according to a police news release obtained by PEOPLE. He lived across the street from the South Philadelphia park, according to the Inquirer.
On Tuesday, the Philadelphia Medical Examiner’s Office announced that Justice died of blunt force trauma, the paper reports.
“I just don’t understand why someone would be so filled with rage to hit someone over something so insignificant,” a neighbor told CBS3.
On Monday, his alleged attacker, Matthew Oropeza, 24, was arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter, terroristic threats, simple assault and recklessly endangering another person, the news release states.
A witness described the attack to CBS3: “Everything happened quickly. There was no grand argument or dramatic scuffle,” the unidentified woman said. “Just several lives crossing at what has proven to be an irrevocably tragic moment in time.”
It is unclear whether Oropeza has an attorney or has entered a plea.
Those with information regarding the incident are urged to call Philadelphia Police at 215-686-8477.
Two blows, but he was a martial arts expert. :(
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Mark Bloomfield 'killed by martial arts expert with two blows'
13 minutes ago
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Mark Bloomfield died two days after being found injured outside a pub in Swansea
A charity worker died after being struck by a martial arts expert with two "ferocious" blows following an argument in a pub, a court has heard.
Mark Bloomfield, 54, who had previously worked as a special assistant to Mother Theresa, was found injured outside the Full Moon pub on the High Street in Swansea in July.
He died two days later.
Colin Payne, 61 and from the city, denies murder but has admitted manslaughter.
Swansea Crown Court heard Mr Bloomfield had been sitting on a stool at the bar near Mr Payne and his partner.
The jury was shown CCTV of a can of alcohol Mr Bloomfield was holding touching the back of Mr Payne's partner, and Mr Payne is then seen arguing with Mr Bloomfield before grabbing him by the throat and throwing him to the floor.
He then kicked him in the head "for good measure", prosecuting barrister Christopher Clee QC said.
He told the jury it will be up to them to decide whether Mr Payne "overreacted."
Mr Bloomfield is then seen sitting back in his seat while Mr Payne's partner attempts to keep him away from the charity worker. Mr Payne then follows Mr Bloomfield outside.
Head injury 'immediately apparent'
A second CCTV clip shown to the jury showed Mr Bloomfield arguing with Mr Payne outside the premises.
Mr Clee said the footage shows Mr Payne "spoiling for a fight" before "delivering two powerful blows in quick succession to Mark Bloomfield's face" which knock him to the ground.
The court heard Mr Payne then returned to the pub while Mr Bloomfield was treated by paramedics.
Mr Clee says it was "immediately apparent" Mr Bloomfield had sustained a "very serious head injury".
"Blood was coming from inside his nose, his mouth, and very significantly, his ear," Mr Clee said, adding he sustained a "traumatic brain injury and multiple fractures across his face".
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The incident took place in Swansea's High Street
Mr Payne gave "no comment" answers during his first police interview but in the second he said he did not intend to kill or cause grievous bodily harm to Mr Bloomfield, the court heard.
Mr Payne said he was "acting in self-defence of another" when he threw Mr Bloomfield to the floor and kicked him, "inadvertently" striking him on the head.
He said Mr Bloomfield "offered to fight me outside" and, concerned he may have had a weapon such as a glass, followed him.
In his statement, Mr Payne said he threw two punches as he thought Mr Bloomfield was about to strike him.
Mr Clee said the claims of self defence were "desperate attempts to cover up what he'd done" and his "martial arts expertise means he knew how to hurt somebody."
The prosecution is expected to continue with its case on Tuesday before the defence begins on Wednesday.
If this wasn't so tragic, 'Payne'...really?
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Colin Payne 'truly remorseful', pub row murder case hears
2 hours ago
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Mark Bloomfield died two days after being found injured outside a pub in Swansea
A martial arts expert accused of murdering a 54-year-old man following a row in a pub is "truly remorseful", a court has heard.
Colin Payne, 61, has admitted the manslaughter of Mark Bloomfield outside the Full Moon pub in Swansea in July, but denies murder.
Mr Bloomfield was found injured outside the pub after two "ferocious" blows to the face, Swansea Crown Court heard.
The defence chose not to present any evidence and Mr Payne did not testify.
Judge Paul Thomas QC told the jury that decision was Mr Payne's "absolute right".
"The prosecution brings an allegation of murder and therefore the prosecution have to prove it. Mr Payne does not have to prove anything," he told the jury.
Jonathan Rees QC, defending, said Mr Payne accepted responsibility for Mr Bloomfield's death and "he's truly remorseful for it."
However, he said: "The prosecution goes beyond that. They set out to prove that Mr Payne acted with a murderous intent, and they ask you to conclude that they are sure of it.
"On the evidence of those two simple punches alone."
He described Mr Bloomfield's behaviour in the pub as "erratic" and "unpredictable", and said he caused a young couple to leave the pub only eight minutes after entering by making them feel "uncomfortable".
Mr Rees said Mr Bloomfield made a "gesture" with his fists towards Mr Payne and told the court it was the victim who suggested the pair step outside after a row over whether a can of alcohol touched Mr Payne's partner's back.
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The incident took place in Swansea's High Street
He said Mr Bloomfield was seen "pointing to the door" of the pub on CCTV and once outside, he "turns to the left, he places his bag down and he turns to face Mr Payne".
In a police interview, Mr Payne said he "didn't want anything like this to happen".
"If I could turn the clock back, believe me I would. There's not a day goes by that I don't regret what I did," he said.
Christopher Clee QC, prosecuting, earlier told the jury Mr Payne was not acting in self defence, despite initially claiming so in a statement to police.
"At no stage was he involved with a fight with Mark Bloomfield. He was unlawfully assaulted inside and outside the pub by the defendant."
The jury was shown CCTV of a can of alcohol Mr Bloomfield was holding touching the back of Mr Payne's partner - Mr Payne is then seen arguing with Mr Bloomfield before grabbing him by the throat and throwing him to the floor.
Mr Bloomfield is then seen sitting back in his seat while Mr Payne's partner attempts to keep him away. Mr Payne then follows Mr Bloomfield outside.
A second CCTV clip showed Mr Bloomfield arguing with Mr Payne outside the premises before Mr Payne knocked Mr Bloomfield to the ground.
The court heard Mr Payne then returned to the pub while Mr Bloomfield was treated by paramedics.
Sounds like Payne was a backyard 'expert'. No diss against backyard practitioners - some of them are great. But others might not know control.Quote:
Colin Payne guilty of Mark Bloomfield pub row murder
4 December 2019
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Mark Bloomfield died two days after being found injured outside a pub in Swansea
A martial arts expert has been found guilty of murdering a charity worker after a row in a pub.
Mark Bloomfield, 54, who had previously worked as a special assistant to Mother Theresa, was found injured outside the Full Moon pub on High Street in Swansea in July.
He died two days later.
Colin Payne, 61 and from the city, had admitted manslaughter claiming self defence but was found guilty of murder by a jury at Swansea Crown Court.
He will be sentenced on Thursday and was told to expect a life sentence.
The court heard Payne previously admitted perverting the course of justice by watching CCTV footage of the murder from behind the bar, ripping the computer out and throwing it over the back wall of the pub - though police were able to retrieve it.
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Colin Payne tried to destroy CCTV footage of the murder
The jury found Payne guilty of murder after deliberating for less than an hour.
The trial had heard he followed Mr Bloomfield out of the pub and knocked him to the floor after a can of alcohol held by the charity worker touched Payne's partner's back - all of which was caught on the pub's CCTV.
After Payne was found guilty, the court was told he was convicted of common assault in 2009 when he grabbed a hotel employee by the throat, and of affray for an incident involving his ex-wife last year for which he received a six-month sentence.
The court was also told about an incident the night before the murder at the same pub, for which Payne was not charged after no criminal convictions were brought against him, when he grabbed the throat of another man at the bar until he fell to the ground unconscious.
The court was disrupted as a person in the public gallery said this was "all for the papers", before addressing the convicted directly: "Colin, I loves you" and leaving the courtroom.
The defence chose not to present any evidence during the trial and Payne did not testify.
In a police interview, Payne said he "didn't want anything like this to happen".
"If I could turn the clock back, believe me I would. There's not a day goes by that I don't regret what I did," he said.
Christopher Clee QC, prosecuting, earlier told the jury Payne was not acting in self defence, despite initially claiming so in a statement to police.
"At no stage was he involved with a fight with Mark Bloomfield. He was unlawfully assaulted inside and outside the pub by the defendant."
The court was told a leaflet at Payne's home advertised his services as a martial arts expert.
You don't even need to be an expert at anything to kill someone inadvertently or intentionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneChing
Human beings are remarkably soft and easy to kill.
We, as martial artists should consider this more especially those of us who still try to satisfy our ego during sparring and such.
For sure. I don't track inadvertent one punch kills on the newsfeeds, just martial arts, so stuff like this pops. That being said, looking at those pix, Payne had Bloomfield way outgunned. A so-called martial arts expert should've shown more restraint. :oQuote:
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Gene,Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneChing
I know that one should not underestimate anybody based purely on their appearance, but...I’m pretty sure that the “martial arts expert” took it as far as he did BECAUSE he knew the guy was an easy target. The only thing that would have restrained him is if he thought he could possibly lose or get hurt himself.
Another example from a U.K. pub.
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Martial arts instructor jailed for one punch killing
Jonathan Dargan (49) found guilty of manslaughter of Patrick Mullally (56) in Dublin
about 4 hours ago
Declan Brennan
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Jonathan Dargan (49): jailed for manslaughter. Photograph: Collins Courts
A professional martial arts instructor who killed an innocent passerby with a single punch in a late night street assault has been jailed for 5½ years.
Jonathan Dargan (49) was found guilty of the manslaughter of Patrick Mullally (56) by knocking him to the ground with a punch after he victim and another man stopped to intervene in a drunken row between Dargan and his girlfriend.
Mr Mullally and Shane Cunningham had been out celebrating Mr Mullally’s recent retirement from Guinness when they encountered Dargan on the Harold’s Cross Road in Dublin at about 4am on March 6th, 2016.
When Dargan began “swinging” punches, Mr Mullally put his hands up to shield himself. At least one punch connected with him, shattering his jaw and cheekbone and knocking him to the ground. Mr Mullally suffered a subdural haemorrhage and brain trauma due to a blunt trauma to the face and head and died the next day.
Dargan, of Belfry Manor, Citywest, Dublin, denied the unlawful killing of Mr Mullally. He also denied assault causing harm to Mr Cunningham and to Mr Mullally’s niece, Lauren Mullally, during the same incident.
The defendant, a Taekwondo instructor who had worked as a doorman at Lillie’s Bordello nightclub for two decades, admitted “lashing out” with a punch. He claimed that he was surrounded by the men and felt in fear and was acting in self-defence.
Dublin Circuit Criminal Court heard that Dargan shouted “bang bang” as he threw “fairly powerful” punches at the men.
Ms Justice Pauline Codd said this was a particularly chilling aspect of the case and evidence of a man who was in control of the situation and not somebody in fear. She said the jury had rejected Dargan’s defence and that the independent CCTV evidence also showed this not to be the case.
Defenceless
She noted that Dargan’s martial arts training meant he had a knowledge of the force and impact of his own strength and capacity. She said for a man with this strength and capacity to strike a defenceless and intoxicated man was an aggravating factor.
She said the victims were entirely innocent and had approached Dargan to assist a woman and to “do the honourable thing”. The violence was unwarranted and Dargan was angry and in a state of intoxication.
A passing cyclist told the trial that when he earlier stopped by the rowing couple, Dargan told him he to “f**k off and mind his own business” and that “he’d kill him or stamp on his head on the ground”.
Ms Justice Codd noted in mitigation that Dargan had led a blameless life up to this point and that he had shown great support and strength to his family when his mother was the innocent victim of a fatal shooting by a neighbour. The killer was later found not guilty by reason of insanity.
She suspended the final six months of a six year prison term.
In a statement outside the court, Mr Mullally’s sister Mary Mullally thanked the judge, jury, witnesses, prosecution and others on behalf of the family for contributing to “getting Paddy justice”.
“We’ll be forever grateful,” she said. “Four years later we’re still absolutely devastated by the loss of our beloved Paddy. His life revolved around being a devoted dad, caring brother, fun uncle and a cherished friend.
“We as a family miss him everyday but there is also a huge group of friends who are grieving alongside us. No matter what happened today, sadly we’re left with a life sentence.”
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Martial arts instructor jailed for killing 'beloved' innocent dad with one punch
We’ve been left devastated by Paddy’s loss, says family
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Declan Brennan
January 30 2020 02:30 AM
A professional martial arts instructor who killed an innocent passer-by with a single punch in a late-night street assault has been jailed for five and a half years.
Jonathan Dargan (49) was found guilty of killing Patrick 'Paddy' Mullally (56) by knocking him to the ground with a punch after the victim and another man had stopped to intervene in a drunken row Dargan was having with his girlfriend.
Speaking after sentencing at the Dublin Circuit Criminal Court yesterday, Mr Mullally's family said they were the ones who had been left with a life sentence.
"Four years later, we're still absolutely devastated by the loss of our beloved Paddy.
"His life revolved around being a devoted dad, caring brother, fun uncle and a cherished friend," they said in a statement.
"We as a family miss him every day but there is also a huge group of friends who are grieving alongside us.
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"No matter what happened today, sadly we're left with a life sentence."
Mr Mullally and another man, Shane Cunningham, had been out celebrating Mr Mullally's retirement from Guinness weeks earlier when they encountered Dargan on the Harold's Cross Road, Dublin, about 4am on March 6, 2016.
When Dargan began "swinging" punches, Mr Mullally put his hands up to shield himself. At least one punch connected with him, shattering his jaw and cheekbone and knocking him to the ground.
Mr Mullally suffered a subdural haemorrhage and brain trauma due to a blunt trauma to the face and head and died the next day.
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The defendant, a taekwondo instructor who worked as a doorman at Lillie's Bordello nightclub for two decades, admitted "lashing out" with a punch. He claimed he was surrounded by the men, felt in fear and was acting in self-defence.
The court was told that Dargan shouted "bang bang" as he threw "fairly powerful" punches at the men.
Ms Justice Pauline Codd said this was a particularly chilling aspect of the case and evidence of a man who was in control of the situation and not somebody in fear.
She said the jury had rejected Dargan's defence that he was in fear and felt he was being surrounded and that independent CCTV evidence also showed this not to be the case.
The judge noted that Dargan's martial arts training meant he had a knowledge of the force and impact of his own strength and capacity. She said for a man with this strength and capacity to strike a defenceless and intoxicated man was an aggravating factor.
She said the victims were entirely innocent and had approached Dargan to assist a woman and to "do the honourable thing".
The violence was unwarranted and Dargan was in a state of intoxication and an angry mood.
A cyclist told the trial that when he had earlier stopped as the couple were rowing, Dargan had told him to "f*** off and mind his own business" and that "he'd kill him or stamp on his head on the ground".
Judge Codd noted in mitigation that Dargan had led a blameless life up to that point and that he had shown great support and strength to his family when his own mother was the innocent victim of a fatal shooting by a neighbour.
She suspended the final six months of a six-year prison term.
Dargan, of Belfry Manor, City*west, Dublin, denied the unlawful killing of Mr Mullally. He also denied assault causing harm to Mr Cunningham and to Mr Mullally's niece, Lauren Mullally, during the same incident.
At the sentence hearing on Monday, Vincent Heneghan SC, defending, said his client did not drink regularly and was very intoxicated on the night of the attack.
Irish Independent
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U.S. airman is killed by MMA fighter in brawl outside Florida bar, officials say
Dayvon Larry, 31, who died after being punched once, did not appear to have much to do with an ongoing altercation when he was hit, police said.
April 11, 2023, 5:34 PM PDT
By Dennis Romero
An amateur mixed martial arts fighter is accused in the death of a U.S. airman who was fatally struck outside a Florida bar.
Ross Johnson, 23, of Carterville, Illinois, has been charged with manslaughter in the death of Air Force Airman 1st Class Dayvon Larry, 31, of Malone, Florida, authorities said Tuesday.
It was not immediately clear whether Johnson had legal representation, and the area public defender did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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Fights broke out Sunday both outside and inside the Coyote Ugly Saloon. Larry did not participate but may have known someone involved in an argument that preceded the fights, according to an incident report from the Panama City Beach Police Department.
Larry was punched once in a parking lot near the bar, police said.
Security personnel broke up the fight outside, found Larry and called first responders, who administered CPR before they took him to a hospital, where he died, police said.
Johnson was identified as a suspect based on security video, police said. Investigators said he gave conflicting narratives about what led up to his altercation with Larry but ultimately confessed, police said in a statement.
Coyote Ugly did not respond to a request for comment.
Larry was from Malone, a small town 70 miles north of Panama City Beach, police said.
A spokesperson for Tyndall Air Force Base, Florida, confirmed an airman died Monday but did not identify the person.
Police identified Johnson as an MMA fighter.
Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero is a breaking news reporter for NBC News Digital.
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