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yep never been used in mma.....:cool:
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I find it peculiar that he refers to it as a chin jab, when it is clearly not a jab at all, by any definition.
at first I thought the "deadliest weapon" was that you stand in front of a bookshelf to lend you gravitas, and bore your opponent to tears by talking forever about nothing, and then run him over with a semi when he can't see (ok, well I extrapolated the last part, but anyway);
second, as Rik also pointed out, what the actual move demonstrated has to do with a jab is beyond me;
third, Casey Kasem called, he wants his voice back;
Hmmmn, I"m going down to drill my close combat chin jab!.
Then I'm going to learn how to use it to refine uranium and then I'm gonna get sanctions placed on me by the UN for having possession of the close combat chin jab...that isn't really a jab so much as it is a pilots license.
yeah!
Greetings,
This technique is not new, nor it is it well demonstrated. The technique works best when the opponent is slammed into it; i.e., when his momentum is approaching you. I find the crashing of the head into the ground a little strange, here. The first part of this technique (the strike) exists in Lohan Shaolin traditions, Shuai Chiao, Bagua, Sumo, and others. And yes, it can be an effective strike. But only a complete fool puts all his eggs into one basket.
Here is the technique wonderfully used in Sumo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHAWtwOmClA
mickey
"Put your hand on my shoulder!"
"No, the other shoulder!"
"Use your other hand!"
Always the guys making tapes doing it not right:rolleyes:
When come up with something new to martial art make tape, until then STFU:D
That technique is so deadly I would recommend people avoid even watching the video. You might never recover from the hysterics!!
It is a very old technique in Japanese MA as well. BTW!
I am glad we used it to defeat those nasty NAZI"s too. We might have lost the war without it!
P.S.
...Casey Kasem called, he wants his voice back; :p
I thought the two-finger eye poke was the deadliest :D
.....okay, I'll just shut up now.
It's in wing chun too off a split entry.
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The dude in OPs video managed to saturate his explanation with hype, misinformation, lies, and bullsh%t. The technique is valid, but it is not "deadly". We practiced this in aikido, full force, no problem. The guy in the video should not be teaching.
Here are some other examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Uy59WK0bU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQygNC-akpQ
This move in CMA is called "摘盔(Zhai Kui) - helmet remove". You put your right hand on top of your opponent's forehead (above the eyebrow). You put your left hand behind his head (above the neck). You use your left hand as the leverage, use your right hand to bend his head backward, and then smash the back of his head onto the ground (like a sacrifice throw). It's one move that you can take down a big opponent of any size. The reason is simple, you use all your body weigh to fight against only your opponent's neck. It was used as assassin technique in the ancient time because the back of the human head is very weak. The best way to apply this move is you walk passing by your opponent's right side. You then apply this move by surprise. In combat, it will require some "set up".
In his clip, he was using the "face push" and "chin push". The rotation axis is a bit shorter than by using the "fore head push". Also his left hand is behind his opponent's waist. This make the rotation axis longer but he has to fight against his opponent's upper body instead of just the neck. IMO, it won't work as well as the "摘盔(Zhai Kui) - helmet remove".
Is this the "deadliest move in all of martial arts"? Next time when you fall back and the back of your head hit on a solid rock, you should be able to draw that conclusion all by yourself.
I think getting stabbed in the heart is more deadly!
H-Bomb to the face: Real Ultimate Power!!
Whoa whoa whoa no need to throw around the F-bomb.
Thats a lot of truth to handle man! Do you teach seminars on passive aggresiveness? :p
Real ultimate power thirst!
Made with lightning.
The move is within many different styles of MA....
It can be done in different ways as the vids and above explanation shows. Is it the "deadliest" technique in MA?
I highly doubt that...
Can it be deadly?
Of course!
If planted on the back of the head on a hard surface like concrete or if caught at the base of the chin just right with the persons body alignment to which your upward motion and their downward motion could possibly snap the neck back or cause a whiplash type effect.
"you won't find this killer move taught in normal martial arts." LOL
"Normal" martial arts are all about killing. Not self defense.
And what's this about "documented cases" of hand to hand combat between allied and axis soldiers. I've never read of one that didn't involve weapons. It's salesmanship--lies by omission to manipulate consumers.
In the demo vid the man showing the technique stayed standing and let the "victim" fall. In our lama style we practice the move by guiding the (imaginary) head straight down to the ground while falling into a drop stance and adding a strong percussive smack to the floor. He didn't mention that for some reason. Apparently his guy is dead as soon as he falls. There must be some secret augmentation he uses that makes it deadlier than my "normal" style. I'd better buy his material.
YouKnowWho,
Thanks for the reply. The technique you describe is definitely dangerous, but it very different in execution and context than the one provided in the video clip.
The reason I say the video's technique is not "deadly" is that 1) it would be extremely difficult to drop the head down straight unless you were significantly bigger than your opponent and 2) the body's natural reaction is to bend the body and tuck the chin such that the back of the head doesn't hit the ground. This would only be "deadly" if the opponent was already knocked out when being thrown.
But besides the technical points, the original video is just terrible. You can check out his other videos on youtube....simply the worst.:(
Seagal doing the move at 3:40 into the clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1V4j...eature=related
IMO, the word "deadly" means you can kill your opponent (by surprise or from behind) without making any sound.
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Just can't help yourself huh, why can't you add something to the thread?
I guess it's so much easier to be an a$$ hole huh?:rolleyes:
If you feel something doesn't work give an explanation based on your experience why you feel it's not a good technique... I don't get it why a person with your experience and age rather be a ***** then add anything relative?:confused:
Perhaps you haven't been here long enough to know that the only one who knows more about everything than Knifefighter is Knifefighter himself. He is an expert on everything and only what he knows is of any value at all!
The only thing bigger than his ego is his A$$hole!
Yeah right......create a straw dog and beat it with your d!ck again!
Just like everything else, it works or doesn't work according to the context of the situation, the quality of execution, and the abilities of your opponent. When it doesn't work exactly as demonstrated or explained there are modifications that may be used "in situ" to increase the possibility of success, but nothing works 100% of the time, except in your dreams!
Aikido tends to depend on the opponents momentum, of course it can create momentum too.
The front "striking" irimi nage, can be a very powerful "sumo" like slap to the chest ( non"lethal") or a more intense strike to the throat.
But if you wanna get the nice "legs go flying" picture, you need the opponent to come at you with commited force.
Well, first of all, anyone with any sense should realize when a technique that is perfectly legal in the UFC (as well as judo, SAMBO, BJJ, and wrestling) is labeled "too deadly" to be used there, it is generally a big sign that it doesn't work.
Add that to the fact that, even though it would be perfectly fine to use that technique in any of the above listed sports, it's never been used.
You can see it for yourself. Simply try it against a halfway skilled opponent who is resisting. You can't get either the leverage or the position.
I have been occupied lately with dumb stuff like running my gym and family and haven't had much time to sift through this entire thread BUT.....
A quick look and this is the "chin jab" advocated by W E Fairbairn
It's his name, so if it sucks, so be it
Faibairn was a LEO and military man with a lot of real life experience who also literaly dedicated his life to studying how fights really happen and trying to find appropriate training to prepare for this. Applegate was his student and there is a lot of great material that traces itself back to Fairbairn
Unfortunately, there is now a lot of crap that is using Fairbairn to market itself, a lot of STINKYY HORRIBLE CRAP
The technique isn't supposed to be "deadly" just an easy to teach entry into other options
Scans from original work, nothing "secret" or deadly here, but probably would work