I think that closes this subject
Wuji my man I think you hit it right with the palm( lol I know its corny ). You just summarize what every author has said about pa kua lineages...every body has added their own flavor to the style..bottom line - does it work? Is it effective in combat? I havent heard complaints from lineages of Cheng Ting or Yin, or Ma...
Good work Wuji...
Everyday I learn so much about what I know and what I think I know...and I learn that I still have a lot more to learn...
peace
pa kua student (modified is change)
yin fu was one of tung hai chuan's top students. But he also was a lohan shaolin master. Lohan is known for its famous kicking techniques. and its influence is noticeabie in many yin fu's methods. Also yin style popularized the method of sixty four palms, as opposed to just eight. Yin fu was the first person to popularize the ox tongue palm. Yin style uses the piercing palm as its main feature in combat. Also during the boxer rebellion , the dowager empress had her choice of all the martial artists in the forbidden city yet she chose only yin fu as her escort. There no way in hell that cheng ting hua could be tung hai chuan's best pa kua student. Yin fu was a master of pa kua chang way before cheng ting hua knew what walking the circle look like. Now cheng ting hua was tungs other top student. But yin fu had many students before cheng ting hua learned pa kua chang. His son yin yu chang succeeded him. Yin fu indoor students who received the true transmission were ma kuei, kung pao tien and ts'ui chen tung.
Now cheng ting hua reputation was far and wide. Cheng would always throwing his opponents in a singie movement. cheng popularized the dragon palm, and also mixed his pa kua with hsing-I. He was also good at shuai chiao. chengs most famous students that i know of are, chang yueh kuei,li wen piao, chou yueh hsiang, sun ling feng, li han chang. Cheng yu lung, cheng yu hsing, cheng tien hua, cheng yu kung. Out of all cheng ting hua students, not one of them received the whole transmission. Even his own sons!! Pa kua student, pa kua chang is superior to other boxing methods, only if a student understand how to create and develop on the theory of the principle of change. Yin fu and cheng ting hua didn't just understand I ching they were the matrix of change! This is why they were superior fighters to all other boxers. so modified is part of change, nothing stay the same in life, even martial arts. peace my pa kua brother. blacktaoist always keep the tao real.
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Like we don't have enough problems in our training we need to waist time with this crap??
I enjoy a historical debate as much as the next guy, but come on. My style is mostly Cheng Ting Hua.... or so I thought. I just read Martial Musings by RW Smith and now he is saying that he is part of the Yin Fu lineage.... Totally changes the way I look at my Ba Gua.... or does it? The palm changes I practice were created by other people....but they are now part of MY Ba Gua. I walk my Circle, not them. I had several years of Aiki ju Jitsu prior to Ba Gua, so I primarily look at it as a grappling/throwing art. I practice a lot of Chin Na and Shuai.
We are all smart enough to be doing Ba Gua here....so lets try to stick together. If were gonna tool on somone...lets tool on all the poor fools doin BJJ and TKD ;)