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No I don't. Just as I have a high level of respect for track and field athletes and their training methods I consider them to be more elite than I am these days. You just can't help trying to put words in my mouth, but I'm getting used to that.
How did i put words in your mouth? You just agreed with what i said about you!
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Okay I'm busted for using wikipedia, but you should really try to get to know someone better before suggesting who I should talk to. One of my elder kung fu bros was into Kyokushin in a big way and shared quite a few tricks with me too. he was also a power lifter and personal trainer, which helps.
So your mate agrees with you that KK isnt an art? My KK friend ( i have one as well) who's been to Japan to train and fight in the world titles, would disagree with you instantly. Its very much an art to him
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Where I am from, calling someone a knob is not an endearing way to communicate. It's offensive. Playground behaviour I just aint interested in. But again, I'm getting used to that round here.
Oh get over yourself Spencer, offending eachother is what we do best
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Again, I am confused. What are you reading?
There are no forms in Kulo WCK. There are sets. There is a big difference in the approach to training these sets than there is to Wing Chuns first form FME. This is WCK 101 mate!
That was my point. Kulo only has sets, not forms... much like boxers shadow box and do drills on their own.
So (again, read carefully) are you saying that Kulo isnt a MA because it doesnt do forms?
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What weaponry do you practise exactly?
Not worth discussing if you don't practise an
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Ive done a bit of escrima and thats it, so that a no.
So (once again by your logic) as you dont fight/spar, then you shouldnt discuss anything to do with actual combat?
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Correct. AND I also said something about these sports actually having a culture relating to their origin, or was that not clear enough for you?
But not a culture that supports that style being an "art"
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Anyone who has practised Muay Thai, as an example, will know of Krabi Krabong, no?
No, why would they? They are totally separate arts
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They will learn more Thai terms than English, no? Have a more Thai approach to training, no? Even learn weaponry, no? This is what I mean by being open to learning about culture.
All maybes.
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And it doesn't only have to be language or weapons! FWIW when I hosted a seminar with Braulio Estima and Roger Gracie they let me into a little 'secret' of theirs. Their training was superb. Their attitude and sportsmanship was superb. Their strength and skill was superb. But do you know what they put it all down to, apart from mat time and good peers???
Superb food. The 'Gracie Diet' as it has become known. Now, if you have learnt about that from the Gracies, I woudl say you have peeked through their own culture. Does anyone not see what I am saying here?
Youre saying that these guys have worked out that good healthy food helps with their training....... who would have thought!!
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No I don't. Again you misunderstand me.
As a scholar I mean that he was educated to a general standard in school (at least) and could read and write Chinese. Quite rare in Martial Art circles in those days. This simply means when he sat down and created and wrote his curriculums he could plan each individuals progression and monitor the more commercial type students.
You may do the same today, creating Individual Training Plans and such, but back in HK during the 1950's this was simply unheard of because most other commercial schools just taught the same stuff designed to cater for larger numbers. Obviously, this is the result of some research by myself into the
of our Wing Chun system.
So whats so special about that? And your sweeping generalisations of HK schools at the time shows laziness in you "research"
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Something I can see you have had little time for, which is a shame considering how you constantly bang on about how much better your training is...
Actually, i have studied the influx of WC practitioners into Australia (bit of a hobby for me at one stage) and would seek out other WC schools to meet and train with them. Id comfortably hold my own about WC's "history' in Australia with most people. So, yes i have done my work in that regards.
And here's a challenge, find one instance where i have said that my training is better than yours or anyone else's?
My issue with you are these pseudo intellectual opinions about any MA that competively fights, particularly that they are sports and not Martial Arts.
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But at least I am proud of my own Wing Chun learning, as everyone else should be of theirs because we have inherited something I believe to be very special. And yes, if you take that as me saying Wing Chun is 'elite' then so be it.
Pride in a chosen field is fine, but dont try to lifts its standing by belittling other styles.
Incidentally, when i spar i often put my WC into use and (proudly) tell the other guy that he's just been WC'd. So yes, im proud of my previous style
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Good for you. I did too, but I can't call our training very 'sporty' because we have absolutely no interest in competing against eachother to win. And I personally think this is where you misunderstand me the most.
I have no problem with what you do, go for your life, enjoy yourself. In fact ive even defended you on occasion from Grahams rants, but as a guy who now does MT, rich in tradition and culture, i find it offensive that you label it a "sport".. its much more than that as are BJJ, KK etc
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Sport Martial Art is about training to win in competitions.
Not always, im 46 Spencer, do you think im training for a fighting career?
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Martial Art itself has many ways to train without ever stepping into a competition.
I agree totally, but if a MA also has a sporting component that doesnt mean its no longer a martial art
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Neither way is superior. I firmly believe that. But you do not imho. You have the suffering of ego and that is just too bad loser... ;) :
Where have i said that certain ways are superior-inferior?