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Why Ask?
Martial Joe
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From: Pittsfield,Massachusetts Usa
Registered: 01-26-01
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Yip Man-Moy Yat-Doug Lee-My sifu John Kaufman-me
Yip Man-Tsui Sheung Tin-My Sifu-Me
Yip Man-Tsui Sheung Tin-Marty Anderson-My sifu-me
Meaning My sifu was tought by Doug,Tsui,& Marty...
With all this training why do have to ask if you should do this? Someone with the background and all this training whould have gone to the school and did what thay had to and walked away.Then told everyone about it on the forum. So, at the ripe old age of 14/15 you still have doughts. You should train more and worry about fighting less, IMHO.
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my sifu says
wait until you know the system before going and making a fool out of yourself:) theres a lot more than just plain chi sau to wing chun, and if you dont know the system, dont go out trying to represent it
learn wing chun first, then you can go out and test it
how long have you been doing wing chun and how far into the system are you?
you have to remember that when you do things like this, you ARE representing your school, and can bring a bad name to it
peace
trav
if you never get into a fight,
you can never be defeated,
if you can never be defeated,
you are invincible
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Beware if it's a kyokoshinkai karate school Martal Joe. They train **** hard. Also, keep it friendly and show respect to the teacher or you'll be leaving on your a!
S.Teebas ;)
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Bring a friend with you
I agree with the fact that you should
sit this one out if you don't have a lot of
experience using your Wing Chun in a fighting context. You don't want your school to look bad.
Any seasoned martial artist of any style can
beat a beginner of any other style; remember that.
If you are confident of your abilities , then
go, BUT bring a friend with you.
If things get out of hand, you have someone there to back you up.
Before you fight, tell them you haven't been training for long. If you win, they will be impressed, if you lose, they won't be surprised and they won't gloat as much.
;)
"Kick his ass, Sea-Bass!" - Dumb and Dumber
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I agree that you should bring a friend, preferably a fellow WC classmate. He can give you moral support as well as corrections and help you analyze things objectively after the sesson so that you can learn from your experience.
I would check with the instructor to make sure that they don't mind. Clarify what the rules are ahead of time. Some things to ask are contact level (light, medium, hard), kicking below the belt, point system or free sparring, and off limit targets such as the head, back, groin, and joints. Make sure you have the proper equipment (mouthpiece, groin cup, gloves, headgear, etc.) and find out if shoes are allowed. Don't be afraid to stop and thank your partner and take a rest. Spar different people if you get the chance and leave your ego at the door. If you get a bad vibe then leave. This is not WC vs Karate. This is you trying to apply your WC in a friendly environment. If the atmosphere turns sour, get out as politely as you can.
I've sparred a couple times with Karate style people where we were sharing space. We were not allowed to wear shoes and had to wear headgear. They sparred both points and free. Only groin and joint hits were disallowed.
THings that worked for me include:
1) kicking their kicks - they soon became timid when kicking because I would kick their kicks and then close the gap. Since they usually didn't do this, they were unused to the contact.
2) forward intention when chasing and bridging the gap - they had the mentality of hitting and darting back out; either intercept them before they finish or follow them as they try to back away. Receive what comes, escort what leaves, and if the way is free, rush in!
3) Pak da and tan da worked well for me. Lop da was hard because of the gloves. Often we were separated after one or two 'exchanges' or they would back away from the pressure. Take advantage of the opportunity to work your timing, positioning, footwork, and chasing skills against unfamiliar opponents.
4) Practice stepping into a kick rather than backing away. Use kwun sau and gaun sau against high kicks since you can't attack the knees. If you time it right you can knock them down with your body structure as you enter. They'll probably call foul or stop kicking high.
Try to apply your WC. Don't become some odd hybrid kickboxer to compete with them because you won't learn anything that way. Be prepared for some backhanded comments from them if you start smacking them around. Things like: "You wouldn't have been able to do that if it were for real!", "We don't allow kicking to the legs here", "You're too aggressive, that can be used against you on the street", and/or "We don't allow trapping or grabbing here because it's too dangerous".
If they have a referee and it's point sparring, be prepared to have counts go against you and your hits discounted. Keep your head up and just take it as a learning experience and not a challenge match. Don't let their comments get to you and mess with your head. Be confident of your skills and find out what you did wrong. Don't be afraid to get hit. Thank them and be polite.
regards,
Dzu
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Rules
Even if rules are established, it's difficult to play on someone else's terms. You're visiting their club. They have to protect their integrity as well. They will take the option of "taking it up a notch" if necessary while you may continue to be polite. It is very open to misunderstandings as to what is allowed and what isn't, what is acceptable on the part of the "fighters" (i.e. what is in each fighter's head).
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Well...all the comments so far were helpfull...
By the way the style of karate is uechi ryu...
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As a karate and TKD guy my advice would be to visit and watch, or behave like the white belt that you are in their school. Going all out trying to use your WC will make you look like a jerk, and you might miss good cross-training opportunities with these folks in the future.
Basically behave like you'd like visitors to your school to behave.
Rogue, you're an @ss!! Watchman
Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it's hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L'Amour
BTW, did I mention that Rogue was an @ss? Watchman
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Well,I asked her about the rules...she said anything goes accept head shots and grions shots.
She said that they get agressive.
I asked her if she knew what wing chun was...they never mentioned it to her in her school...
Rougue...I plan on watching at first.She said her instructor will ask me to join the class though.
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challenge
Obviously he will be faced with a challenge diguised as an invitation.
I'm sure all of you guys know how people are quite eager to say, "You see, Wing Chun doesn't work after all."
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Karate sparring
Be polite and visit/watch first. Talk to the instructor to get a feel for what kind of instructor they are. In my kwoon, if we want to test our techniques, Sifu will arrange it for us at some other school. Perhaps, yours would do the same? Also, ask to be paired with someone who has been training for an equal amount of time. Good luck. Remember you should have fun. I got a chance to touch hands with one of my Sifu's Mantis students last night and it was fun. I learned that I need to incorporate more footwork and not just stick hands- he was too skilled for that. Learn something from your encounter.
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If he asks you to join Joe, then give it a try.
Try to get there a little early and maybe talk to some of the Black Belts and the instructor. This will also give you a chance to get a feel for them. Take your shoes off and bow in, a little respect can go a long way.
Contrary to what Whipping hands is woofing about, I've rarely come across people like he describes, unless of course you go in with a badass attitude.
Look at it as a chance to learn, being able to get a first hand look at how another style moves will definatly help your WC and maybe show what parts of your style you may have to work on. Who knows you may even get some new people to practice with outside of class.
Good luck
And don't rush them when they're turning they're backs to you, they might be setting you up for a side or back kick. ;)
Rogue, you're an @ss!! Watchman
Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it's hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L'Amour
BTW, did I mention that Rogue was an @ss? Watchman
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Rougue
Well if they are close enough and shorter then kicking range and they turn their back ill try and jam them and send them on their faces.
Well...WhippingHand...is a badass :eek:
Martial Joe http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/lolup.gif
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And I know he is going to ask,but ill act like I dont know that and just watch at first...then I will spar with them...
I will try and make it early...
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OdderMensch
Hey, I am one of C. Martin's students and I have some answers for you about the event this weekend. Yes we will be in Fort Worth on Saturday and the festivities begin at 9:30 AM. Please come and watch. We would all love to have you. Thanks.
Baek Ho Kwan Forever!!