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Originally Posted by
Kymus
While Bawang's answer here isn't exactly diplomatic, it's true.
Shorinji comes from Shaolin, but it's not Kung Fu
Okinawan Karate comes from Kung Fu, but it's not Kung Fu
SD is SD. It's some sort of b@stard child from Kun Tao and Kung Fu. Even though it (possibly, maybe, but who knows) has roots in Kung Fu or Shaolin, it is not Kung Fu or Shaolin.
That's a nice summation of this thread. Bawang just likes beating dead horse meat.
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Originally Posted by
Kymus
Mas Judt was the one that brought up the Kun Tao correlation years ago. JP probably remembers more of the conversation.
That, and, we know that there are guys in Indonesia that say they learned from the same teacher as ST and from what I recall, their forms had the standard SD flavor to them.
Given all the evidence that's been collected over the past decade, I think it's highly probable that they learned something in Indonesia that was at one point Kung Fu - however many generations - and that then got radically changed while in Indonesia.
That seems to be the most probable answer to what SD comes from. Of course, it's origins past ST's teacher is a complete mystery. I'm curious as to whether SD is the only game in Indonesia that has the SD flavor, and what art or arts it originally came from.
I think it's important to understand the Indonesian and Malaysian cultural idioms as well. I personally don't think they learned Kuntao and don't see it in the SD material. it really looks like modified kempo karate at best.
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JP, remember you said that the wushu guy from Fight Science did a variation of one of your forms?
Was this one of the legit SD forms? Any idea where that form came from (as far as the Wushu guy is concerned)?
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Bawang just likes beating dead horse meat.
Now I wouldn't say that.... Bawang is...... Shaolin-Man! He seeks truth, justice, and the Shaolin way!!
He whoops crackas with his mighty fists
He p!sses on phoneys with his wombat urine
and he is able to leap tall buildings in a single heliochopper!!!
:D:rolleyes:;):p
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Of course, he's still no match for me :cool:
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bawang
invite to wat
to play
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im from village FOO
yeah the village of mississauga, Ontario. lol :p
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If I hadn't seen the videos from the students of the remains of Sin The's school doing the same forms and compared that to some kung tao videos that Judt directed our way, I might be inclined to agree with David. I will agree that SD is not kung tao silat, but not all Indonesian arts are silat based. I think this is a *******aziation of CMA through Indonesia. In looking at this issue for the last 10 years, I'v seen many kung tao schools practice bare foot and wear gis, but not identify themselves as karate. I really think sin The was capitalizing on the familiarity of karate in the early days, and then on kung fu once it started to become popular. He wanted it both ways instead of just being honest and calling it kung tao from the begining.
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Originally Posted by
Kymus
JP, remember you said that the wushu guy from Fight Science did a variation of one of your forms?
Was this one of the legit SD forms? Any idea where that form came from (as far as the Wushu guy is concerned)?
Now I wouldn't say that.... Bawang is...... Shaolin-Man! He seeks truth, justice, and the Shaolin way!!
He whoops crackas with his mighty fists
He p!sses on phoneys with his wombat urine
and he is able to leap tall buildings in a single heliochopper!!!
:D:rolleyes:;):p
Yeah it was Alex Huyn. He did a mix between Fei Fu (our yellow sash tiger form) and Lo Han Chien (a green sash form). I e-mailed him and asked him and he said that he was a student under one of John Winglock Ng's students and he learned those "traditional" forms from him.
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Is this Bawang? I dont know him personally.
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kwaichang
I think this is him.
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Judge Pen
Yeah it was Alex Huyn. He did a mix between Fei Fu (our yellow sash tiger form) and Lo Han Chien (a green sash form). I e-mailed him and asked him and he said that he was a student under one of John Winglock Ng's students and he learned those "traditional" forms from him.
Did he mention the names of the forms? What art are the from?
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Originally Posted by
David Jamieson
to play
yeah the village of mississauga, Ontario. lol :p
r u talking about that crazy fat guy, cuz u didn't go either
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Kymus
Did he mention the names of the forms? What art are the from?
Fei Hu Ch’u Tong and Luo Han Chuan. He said his first teacher, part of Ng family system, taught it to him.
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Judge Pen
Fei Hu Ch’u Tong and Luo Han Chuan. He said his first teacher, part of Ng family system, taught it to him.
What's the Ng family system?:confused: I've never heard of that
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Kymus
What's the Ng family system?:confused: I've never heard of that
It's a relatively small system which also started in Lexington, KY. My understanding is that they had a bit of a rivalry with Sin The and his students in the early days. Students went from one to the other, and some material may have crept between the two as well.
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Leto
It's a relatively small system which also started in Lexington, KY. My understanding is that they had a bit of a rivalry with Sin The and his students in the early days. Students went from one to the other, and some material may have crept between the two as well.
OIC, that school!
Now it all makes sense.