we should talk about instructors that are busted for being phony
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we should talk about instructors that are busted for being phony
Oh boy, don't get me started. LOL :D
I saw a listing on eBay that said 5 DVD's to Black Belt.
Here's some examples:
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And our favorite the Brazilian Jiu Jit Su
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Does it match 3-4 years of shame for a young girl?
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Sentencing delayed due to no-show
By Janis Warren - The Tri-City News
Published: March 03, 2009 6:00 PM
A bench warrant was issued yesterday for a Port Coquitlam taekwondo grand master convicted of sexual assaulting two of his students in the 1990s.
On Tuesday, Mr. Justice Arnie Silverman issued the warrant at the request of Crown counsel Gail Barnes. It was the second time Jong Youn Lee, 56 of Surrey, had failed to appear for his sentencing hearing in B.C. Supreme Court in New Westminster.
Earlier this year, Lee pleaded guilty to two counts of sexual assault and sexual exploitation of a young person. The assaults took place over several years in the 1990s but the two victims, who cannot be identified under a court-imposed publication ban, didn’t come forward until 2006.
At a sentencing hearing last month, Barnes said one of the women joined the Jong Lee Tae Kwon Do School of Martial Arts when she was 13 and eventually attended classes five days a week. The assaults started at subsequent sessions with Lee putting his hands under the girl’s bra and underwear, and progressed from there to include sexual intercourse. The assaults continued until she was 17 and she didn’t tell anyone what was going on because she felt ashamed.
The assaults of the second woman started when she was 15 years old and was attending taekwondo classes about three times a week. They only stopped when, at 18, she lied and told him she was pregnant.
Defence lawyer David Milburn asked for a sentence of two years less a day to be served in the community. He began his submissions by relaying an apology from Lee to the victims.
Lee worked part-time at the school after being charged but has had no involvement since his guilty plea.
Here's a hypothetical:
Suppose a teacher makes a pass at an adult student and continues after it's been made plain the student wants nothing to do with him.
Should she just leave the school?
Go to the cops?
Tell his wife?
Tell other students at the school?
I'm of the opinion she should just leave the school. There are plenty of other MA schools out there and if it comes to the point where the teachers is stalking her even after leaving the school then call the cops.
Tell his wife or other students? In my opinion that doesn't work.
I had a female call me up about classes. She told me that she had been training in a place where the instructor there had been "inappropriate" with her.
I told her the truth, ie that we have a good percentage of female students, they are treated fairly and that has NEVER been an issue here.
She showed up, did a free class, joined, and after about 3 classes it became apparent that she was "flirty" to say the least and had serious boundry issues. I had one of my female instructors explain to her that certain behavior was not tolerated and she had a choice of leaving (we'd gladly cancel her monthly billing) or staying and NOT acting the way she was
She chose to leave.... :eek:
I question that just like I do with your interpetation of the Jeff Monson incident. Just exactly what was she doing? I have a problem believing anybody would do something in three classes so bad they would be asked to leave. You don't even know anybody in the class.
I have a feeling had she not of mentioned the problem at the other school then nothing would have been said.
The first class she was in, she was holding pads, she looked at me and said "I need my bra adjusted and since I have the pads on my hands....". I had the female instructor help her. IE I am not dumb enough to put my hands on a strange woman
The next class, we were doing ab work, a drill with leg movement which is also useful for guard work. She ended up next to me on the mat. She looked at me and told me "you know, I's so flexible I can put my ankles behind my head"
I just ignored that one
It was so obvious that my female instructor brought it up first
But you don't have to believe it :rolleyes:
Gee Thanks!
If all that is true then I have no doubt it was part of some elaborate joke.
An adult woman who was truly interested in you would have simply asked you out to drinks or something after class. This "Adjust my bra" and "Hooking my ankles around your neck" sounds like you are being F'd with. Especially after the "I've already been sexually harrassed" intro speech.
I would have picked up on that immediately, saying "Alright who put you up to this s":D and would have probably seen about three guys hitting the floor rolling in laughter off to the side.
he can join hardwork108
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If he doesn't own the school, or isn't the senior teacher, his higher-ups should be told that he is behaving inappropriately to students. They should deal with it (by getting rid of him, ideally).
Going to the cops- no, he hasn't done anything illegal if she is an adult and it was just "a pass" as opposed to something more insistant.
Tell the other students? If he was the owner- or if the owner was told and did nothing- one might feel an obligation to tell the other students, at least the females. Especially if any of them are underage. What if you did nothing, and then one (or more) of them was taken advantage of? I'd feel guilty, in that place. And if I was one of those students, I know I'd sure appreciate a heads-up about a teacher who may be a risk for being sexually inappropriate, before I found out by firsthand experience.
Tell his wife? I probably wouldn't go that far, unless the wife was a friend of mine and I felt she needed to know.
I think "passes" go on at all schools. The problems come in when a teacher simply won't take no for an answer and continues to harrass.
With an owner, or a long time high level teacher, you run into the royality problem. Students simply can't believe Master would do that.
I've actually expereinced this first hand. When I was teaching at a school many moons ago. I ended up dating one of the students. No need to be on the "busted" list. I was 25 she was like 22-23 at the time. Since it was a franchised school, I just sent her over to another school to study. This actually worked out cause the relationship lasted only a few months. It did not end amicably. Being up front to students that ask, I believe, kept the credibility of the school as well. Rather than letting rumors go around.
Foster City is right across the bay from us.
oh crap...Quote:
Foster City karate instructor suspected of molesting girl,13
By Mike Rosenberg
Daily News Staff Writer
Posted: 03/04/2009 11:28:33 PM PST
A 20-year-old martial arts instructor from Foster City was charged Wednesday with molesting a 13-year-old girl he met through a karate school, authorities said.
San Carlos police said they arrested Brendyn Crispell on Monday after he admitted to performing a sexual act on the girl in a car parked on the 900 block of McCue Avenue. Officers were initially called to the scene about 6:50 p.m. because the vehicle had been reported as suspicious.
Crispell was arrested on suspicion of lewd acts with a child under 14 and oral copulation with a person under 18. San Mateo County prosecutors then used police investigations to charge him on Wednesday with a total of four felony counts of child molestation, two of them stemming from incidents prior to his arrest Monday, said Assistant District Attorney Karen Guidotti.
San Carlos police on Monday found a container of Vaseline and two stuffed animals in Crispell's Honda station wagon, said police Cmdr. Rich Cinfio. Investigators did not know Wednesday who the stuffed animals belonged to or why they were in the car.
Cinfio said Crispell and the girl met each other through a karate school. He said Crispell is a martial arts instructor, but did not disclose the school's location or whether the victim was one of Crispell's students. Cinfio also declined to identify her city of residence.
Cinfio said investigators believe Crispell and the girl knew each other for about four years, and the sexual relationship "was ongoing to some degree" for about four months. There is no evidence the victim was being held against her will during their relationship, he said.
After obtaining a search warrant, police searched Crispell's home on Tuesday and seized his computer and other items, police said. According to Cinfio, a forensic analysis of the computer is pending but there appeared to be no immediate evidence of child pornography on the machine.
Investigators were uncertain Wednesday whether the victim's parents knew about her relationship with Crispell, Cinfio said.
Mike Devoy, Crispell's attorney, did not immediately return calls seeking comment Wednesday.
Crispell's bail has been set at $100,000. He is set to enter a plea in San Mateo County Superior Court on March 11.
If anything I think this guy was probably a little too young and immature to be put teaching girls of that age. In that video clip of him he looks about 13 himself.
If it was my school I would let him work with the older students but I would put the kids with an adult.
..."allegedly decided to have oral sex, knowing intercourse was illegal but thinking oral sex was not" Can't play ignorant now...
In response to BoulderDawg's comment above - it's never really appropriate for someone in a position of power, ie. teacher, doctor, boss, to proposition a subordinate. Any professional must engage this. I recommend Sex in the Forbidden Zone: When Men in Power—Therapists, Doctors, Clergy, Teachers, and Others—Betray Women's Trust by Peter Rutter, MD to anyone going into such a position. Ironically, we were going to lend our copy to one of my shidi, a young fellow instructor. We went to look for it on our bookshelf and then realized we had actually lent it to him years before and he never read or returned it. Some people just never get it.Quote:
SAN MATEO CO.: JUNIOR MARTIAL ARTS INSTRUCTOR CHARGED WITH CHILD MOLESTATION
SAN CARLOS (BCN)
A junior instructor at a San Carlos martial arts school who is accused of having sexual relations with a 13-year-old girl made an initial appearance in San Mateo County Superior Court on Wednesday, according to the district attorney's office.
Prosecutors charged 20-year-old Brendyn Crispell, of Foster City, with four felony counts of child molestation, Chief Deputy District Attorney Steve Wagstaffe said today.
Crispell was arrested around 6:50 p.m. Monday after San Carlos police received reports of a suspicious vehicle in the 900 block of McCue Avenue, police said.
When officers arrived, they found Crispell and the girl inside the car. Crispell allegedly admitted to a sexual act with the girl after some questioning, police said.
The two met through the martial arts school and had known each other for about four years, Wagstaffe said.
They had been dating for four months and, as an anniversary celebration, had allegedly decided to have oral sex, knowing intercourse was illegal but thinking oral sex was not, Wagstaffe said.
He said they were in Crispell's mother's car and had taped blankets to the windows for privacy.
Crispell is in jail, and his bail has been set at $200,000, Wagstaffe said. His next court appearance is scheduled for Wednesday.
In response to lkfmdc's situation, that sounds like it was handled very appropriately. There are definitely women that troll the martial arts circles for men. I'm dealing with a few right now. It's a trap, but such an obvious one that anyone with some wude can avoid it.
My point of contention was that he should have never been in a position of power to begin with. I don't know this guy but as I said, just from looking at the video, he looked about 12-13 himself. I'm also guessing that mentally he is very close to that age.
Also, as I said, put him with your 40 year old business men and woman. There he could simply teach what he knows about KF. Do not put him with kids...He can't handle it.
It wouldn't be fair to *assume* that because of his looks or his chronological age, he 1)couldn't teach well, 2)was mentally immature, or 3)would be preying on adolescents.
One would hope that if his higher-ups had any idea he was capable of this sort of behavior, they wouldn't have had him teaching anyone. Apparently they trusted him, and he let them down.
That's a dumb arbitrary rule.
Chronological age often has little relevance to maturity and to whether a person has enough of a moral compass to know better than to stalk adolescent students. I know a lot of people over 25 with very little maturity. Surf this board for proof.
then agian I am sure we all act this way in real life.
Age doesn't necessarily equal wisdom, discipline and intelligence. Case in point: http://cbs2.com/local/Costa.Mesa.United.2.921187.html
So what? I can take any situation and point to an exception. That doesn't mean anything.
Did you not read "You have less of a chance"?
Should all the rental car companies start renting cars to teenagers because you could point to one or two 16 year olds that are great duvers?
So I'm assuming that if you ran a rental car agency you would do the opposite as everyone else in the industry and rent to 16 year olds?
You do know there are convicted child molestors that would be the safest baby sitters you could have. Should they be given the chance?
Of course there are statistics, and they should not be wholly discounted. My point is that dumb arbitrary rules are- well, dumb. You should contemplate every situation as unique.
If you own a school and have a 20 year old student whom you've been teaching for years, has mad skills, is competant at teaching others, and you feel s/he is a decent moral person as far as you know, why on earth not have hir teach young students.
If you have another student who is 40, but you don't think would be as competant in this particular role (for whatever reason), you'd have hir teach instead just because s/he's 40? Senseless. Pick the best person for the job, to the best of your ability.
You do know there are convicted child molestors that would be the safest baby sitters you could have. Should they be given the chance?[/QUOTE]
That would be a judgement based on an individual's verifiable past behavior. As opposed to a judgement based on something a person has no control over (their chronological age) and generalizations linked to such. Big difference.
In my school there is a 17 year old who is able to pick up and retain forms better than anyone else there. He's a nice kid but no matter how good he is he should not be teaching other kids. It's as simply as that.
By having rules such as this you avoid things like "You let Johnny teach but I'm just as good as him"
Also, having done some teaching in the past it's very easy to be lured in by a pretty face (I've seen it several times) even for an adult......with an immature kid who teaching a pretty girl that tells him how good he is and giggles at the right places it's almost impossible to remain objective.
Bubba. As it turns out, several of the Tiger Claw here crew know of Crispell, being that he's a local champion. One said that a lot of trickers carry plushies, but couldn't fathom why...
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From Internet sensation to child molestation
By The phantom
DAILY News columnist
Posted: 03/07/2009 09:21:54 PM PST
A 20-year-old Foster City man arrested last week on suspicion of molesting a young girl had apparently developed a bit of an Internet following prior to his arrest.
Martial arts instructor Brendyn Crispell is charged with four felony counts of child molestation stemming from three separate incidents with a 13-year-old girl he met through a karate school, according to San Mateo County prosecutors. When San Carlos police arrested him Monday, they allegedly found a container of Vaseline and two stuffed animals in his car.
The Phantom plugged the suspect's unusual name into Google and came back with YouTube videos posted by a user named "brendyncrispell," who lives in Foster City, according to the user profile. We also turned up a MySpace page for a 20-year-old man named Brendyn "Bubba" Crispell with links to the same videos.
Bubba describes himself on MySpace as a "'Harry Potter' nerd" whose interests include "martial arts, TRICKING, good manga, and messing up." According to urbandictionary.com, tricking is "a kind of extreme sport where the 'athletes' do cool, fast, beautiful flips and kicks without any wires or trampolines."
The YouTube videos from 2007 and 2008 show a young man, also referred to as Bubba, performing a series of acrobatic kicks and other martial arts moves. As of Friday, a total of roughly 17,000 people had watched the clips, up from 16,500 views on Wednesday, when prosecutors charged Crispell with the felonies.
The article kinda of suggest that maybe the parents knew and condoned it. Stay tuned folks! I guess we'll find out!:D
Or maybe they felt their daughter was mature reguardless of her age to date a 20year old. It has been argued here that we should not look at chronological age. I can't agree with that.
Hmmm, if my daughter was 13 and some 20 year old was "trying to date her", what would I do?
Hmmm...
:mad:
7 year difference is not much when one is 20 and 27 and even less when one is 30 and 37, it is quite a bit when one is under the legal age of adulthood.
a fine kettle of fish this...:rolleyes:
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Updated: 03/09/09 03:17 PM
Martial arts expert mistakenly identified as Salamanca suspect
The Carl Lee Kettle who is a mixed martial artist fighting as "The Rezmanian Devil" was not arrested this weekend by Salamanca police, as was incorrectly reported in The News Monday.
Officers did arrest a Carl L. Kettle, 27, early Saturday on numerous charges. Salamanca Police Chief Troy J. Westfall had said Sunday that the man in custody was an "ultimate fighter," a designation that led to the confusion.
However, though both men share the same middle initial and both reside in Salamanca, the mixed martial artist, who is 31, is not accused of any crime.
A news release issued by Salamanca police Sunday stated that a Carl L. Kettle, of Salamanca, had been arrested early Saturday. When The News contacted Westfall to get more information on the arrest, the police chief said that the man in custody was an "ultimate fighter" and described the crimes with which Kettle is charged. This led to the misidentification.
The News learned this morning that the Carl L. Kettle arrested by Salamanca police is not the mixed martial artist Carl Lee Kettle.
The Carl L. Kettle arrested by Salamanca police faces charges of assault, harassment, disorderly conduct, obstruction of governmental administration and resisting arrest.
When an officer tried to arrest him, Kettle fled and led officers on a foot chase before he was caught and taken into custody.
After officers brought Kettle to police headquarters for processing and took off his handcuffs, Kettle refused to comply with their commands.
At one point, Kettle kicked an officer in the head, sending the officer backwards into the metal bars of a jail cell and briefly knocking him out, Westfall said.
man, kicking brothers who wear the blue is not going to get you anything but pain, court time and lots of crimes added to your CV.