Yes indeed, very nice work. I like it a lot more, for sure.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZEiL...eature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyA0_qmRu-Y&NR=1
Just found these links from Vancouver for those interested in Bak Mei:cool:
Unfortunately everybody doesn't have boys who like to fight. I'd love to see video of this training method, and how it's done properly without reverting to kickboxing mode. I don't believe it can be done in the pressure of combat, or at least it'd be real hard to do under that pressure.
Kickboxing is the most natural way to fight.
With Bak mei and other southern systems, you kind of go "against" nature and that is why it is so crucial to spar others OUTSIDE the system.
It takes a bit of work but in the end what you have, hopefully, is something that you bring to the table that is very different from the everyday blend and, hopefully, that can give you an edge.
Yeah, I guess you're right and I shouldn't say that because if I'm not mistaken Black Taoist has tons of videos on youtube of exactly that type of training (though not in Bak Mei of course). I should just watch a few of his videos probably if I want to see how this training is done properly. But from everyone's posts I should probably avoid videos of the guy "Maoshan", because apparently he always gets beaten up in his videos.
Oh, and I found this interesting blurb on PakMet.net since this is a Bak Mei thread:
"David Wong - Chan Dor's Nephew (Tuesday, January 15, 2002)
Mr. doucet:
Sometimes one focuses so much on one thing and misses everything else. I mean, while I was seeing everything in Pak Mei in you web site, I can not believe I missed the name Danny Pai. This name rings a bell. Then after a long "meditation", I remember an event that occurred over 30 years ago. I think you will get a kick out of this:
It was sometime in the early 70's. Aaron Bank was putting up a show in New York's Madison Square Garden called "The Oriental World of Self-Defense" (or something close to that. After all, it was 30 years ago). That was one of the earliest "shows" Aaron Bank conducted. I was part of an Iaido group to do an exhibition there. My Iaido teacher (and most of the martial artists at that time) was not aware of how this show would turn out but happy to be part of it, as it showed the world what the Oriental Self-defenses are all about (or better yet, what they look like). So, before our turn, we got to watch the others perform.
Then, after I saw all these "masters" flying over 15 chairs to break one board with a flying side kick, etc., I began to felt really disappointed and just about to leave my spot and go back stage to see if I can find a place to lay down and take a nap. I heard the MC call out someone called Daniel Pai to perform. I turned around and saw this big Hawaiian/Philippino/Asian looking person get on the ring (yes, it was a boxing ring, that much I remembered). He wore a dark blue with white dots outfit not like any of the karate or gung fu uniforms.
I told myself: Oh no, here is another freak! But he changed my view after I saw his performance. He showed no Kata, form or whatever. He was alone on stage. He brought a few boards to break. I was about to turn away thinking this is another of those board breaking shows. Then, he held 3 board with his left hand using only his fingers (much like a waiter would hold the tray for your drinks). then he broke the boards with his right wrist without even lifting his right arm. I was stunned. Then he did a few more breaks using his finger tips, wrist, etc. All in close distance, without Kia, raising of the arms, or anything dramatic. In fact, he was explaining how he will break the boards and breaking them at the same time. I was so impressed that I don't remember the details of the rest of the breaks. Then, Mr. Pai bowed and stepped out of the ring and disappeared back stage.
The next thing I remember was our group was on stage (in the ring) going through our performance, but all that time I was still thinking about the way Mr. Pai broke those boards. He broke those boards like I break toothpicks. He did it with such ease and grace that made the other "black-belt Masters" looks like they are trying too hard. Afterwards, our Iaido group went out to eat and all we talked about was Mr. Pai's breaking. Nobody remembered any person in that exhibition coming close to Mr. Pai.
This is one of those good memories that one gets when seeing a great master perform, or a great movie, a master piece of work from an artist, that make you say: "Ah...that IS wonderful..." or..."That's how it SHOULD be done". If you are in that art, this memory would make you push yourself even harder when you are about to give up on you effort.
I will always remember Mr Pai's breaking on that day.
David Wong"
Faruq, from what I gather from Maoshan's training clips and his defeats, his problem is that I addressed in my post:
Not Enough sparring of people outside your own system.
You have to learn how to apply your chosen MA and doing it VS itself ( a fellow student) will teach you how to apply is VS pak mei ( for example) and NOT VS MT or BJJ or MMA or whatever.
This is even more crucial in systems that seek bridges or destroy bridges or are bridge oriented, why?
Because most modern fighting system do NOT use or "give" bridges.
See what I mean?
Nice story from Mike Doucet's website.
lol Maybe the Black Taoist should give him some pointers, especially if he's his brother. And great points you make about the sparring with people outside your system and how people don't even use or give bridges nowadays.
And the stuff on that website is very impressive! If it's all true, and I'd have no way to know one way or another, but if it is then anyone who learned from them'd be an incredible fighter.
Canada seems to be as much of a hotbed of top notch martial artists as Australia.
And interestingly enough, they've now got Yau Kung Mun listed on the site as a related system.
You're 100% correct! Although, a bridge can always be established (in the same way one can always be taken down to the ground). Hence, the reason for training outside the box. A parry is a bridge, now what you do with that bridge is up to the individual.
Bless,
Buby
In the beginning you might revert to kick boxing and thats ok, but thats why having a sifu/coach in your corner to stop and correct your actions is important.
First off, who's applying the pressure? Short hand systems dictate that you must be aggressive while being passive. Even if you punch first, my mind set has me looking for an opening to counter and land first. It all comes down to understanding your principals and training them properly for combat. Learning to fight your fight is very important. Which includes lots of repetition (I'm not talking forms), conditioning and fighting. How many hours you think a serious boxer puts in the gym to get his form? Like a boxer you have to be put under pressure, you have to see that you can handle it, so that you're no longer afraid. When you're no longer afraid you can begin to have fun. In kung fu it comes more gradually than boxing, due to having more to work with and the intent is different (with the exception to people like a young Mike Tyson). Bro, at times you have to let that dark side come out and be like f*ck it! Reminds of a saying sifu has "Off with the gloves and out with the Pheonix Eyes"
Bless,
Buby
Syn7,
I said this in this thread earlier but noone replied but,
Isn't Doo-- Wilkie Wu anyways? Wasn't that the story here about 8 years back or so? That his real name was Wilkie Wu, and that after some triad nastyness, his wife and child got killed, and he fled to America??? This was the story spouted about 8 years back. Good story until everyone realizes, or had realized, that Wilkie Wu was and is a real person living in Canada, who never fled Canada...
A simple question I have about Doo Wai...Where is he from in China?
Just a question for fun...Why would Doo Wai leave China, and Macau, and Hong Kong, and Taiwan, just to go to Canada to learn Bak Mei?
Curiosity questions...Why would masters on the West Coast respect him? Share K. Lew??? Why would he respect Doo Wai if he had nothing?
How did all of this "stay quiet" until the mid 90s, when the dude was known in the Mo Lum since the seventies? Did it take 20 years for people to figure all this out or something?
Noone knows it seems. All the stories that bash this guy, are just as ridiculous as his family inherited stories if you really look at it. Look, I am all for finding out exact truths. I am not talking about respectful truths just because so and so said. There is better ways of finding things out.
I have seen vids of the guy performing forms that are basically identical to most all of the known BM forms. Why?
No man, Wilkie Woo (Woo Wai Quan) is currently a sifu for pakmei.net. He's listed there on several pages:
http://www.pakmei.net/articles/article.asp?ID=13
http://www.pakmei.net/articles/article.asp?ID=20
and right their on the home page: http://www.pakmei.net/
http://www.bakmei.ca/
Faruq,
I know. What I wrote is a rumour that was floating around like 10 years ago.
You are Doo Wai's student. Where is he from in China?
no he isnt... pakmei.net is ontario... wu wai-kwan is in vancouver http://www.bakmei.ca/main.html
if you read doucets articles and all that you will see that wilkie wu donated one form i think... thats the extent of their affiliation... doucets site isnt even linked in wilkies link page...
FARUQ
where in the articles you referenced does it say that wilkie is a sifu for the school in ontario???
wilkie is legit and can document his lineage and history, not only with documentation but also with pictures... alone either of these could be suspect but together they paint a pretty iron clad picture... not to mention that he is recognized by the clc fam... he trained not only under yip chi sum but also under the famous late chow fuk and the late kwok chi cheung...
I've never been a Doo Wai student. I did buy a couple of videos from his whitetigerkungfu.com website with Dan LaRochelle several years back, but I was never an actual "student". I don't think Doo Wai has told anyone the truth about where he's from in China. I once saw him post here that he had been friends with Ark Yuey Wong if I'm not mistaken, but I don't think Ark Wong even knew the truth. It would be great if someone could find out, and see what people in his village would say about his family and Bak Fu Pai. That'd clear up a lot of conjecture....or maybe it wouldn't, lol....
Fascinating topic and replies. Thanks for the great thread on this wonderful style.
anyone else know the titles of some good bak mei books... any lineage... titles? authors? links?
Depends what you would like to know about Pak Mei.
Personally I favor: Pak Mei Kungfu - The Myth & the Martial arts by S.L. Fung and in Chinese the book of Pak Mei Boxing by ZhiZui Wong (内家勁功白眉拳 - 黃志軍).
A must have is most possible Pak Mei Kungfu of H.B. Un.
Links? Of course ours ...(www.pakmeipai.nl):D
jie kon sieuw, nice... ive been all over that site ever since i found it... i like the flash... esspecially with the lineage in hakka pinyin and cantonese... its a nice map tho... aesthetically i mean... somebody put some real time into that site forsure... is there anywhere i can see some video on any of the forms? even if its just the first few...??? how far into the program are you?
thanx again...:rolleyes:
Syn7,
The webmaster at the Dutch Pak Mei site is too modest.
They have undoubtedly the best web resource going.
They list all the articles, books and videos that are or were available.
They also have the best catalogue of worldwide Pak Mei sites as well.
Top effort guys!
http://www.pakmei.de has also a decent list of books and articles; and also a link to a "Mang Fu Chu Lum"-video in the video section.
Anyone seen CLC's fierce tiger exits cave form? I can only find a few pic's of my sigung posing tiger claws from it on the Vancouver webpage. You have to get good at the basic forms on both sides before you can do GBT with proper power wich takes like 3-5 years...our best guy is ten years in demoed ten elements form and said he hasn't even thought about attempting to learn the fierce tiger set and dude is quick as hell plus pretty buff would be a good ring fighter with his build...anyway, have yall seen it n have any pics, does Guangzhou and Foshan have this set?.
"Ferocious Tiger Exits Forest"
Most Bai Mei branches have Meng Fu Chu Lin (猛虎出林) although the form can be different. Footage is rare. The Yun Fu branch of Bai Mei (Guangzhou Bai Mei) have their variation. Theirs can be seen:
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/FohBvK0vITw/
nice... thanx for that... :D wish i could download it somehow... i only have one that works for youtube videos...
ive never seen the form before... never seen anyone do it at school, or if they did i didnt know thats what it was... you dont watch other people train, its just a part of that unwritten code... work your own program, nobody elses... but its pretty cool to see the last form... i wonder how close that is to ours... guess i'll find out in a few years... i plan on seeing it through tho... i want to have the whole style... somewhere along the line im going to do lung ying aswell... theres a school down the block that is closely related to ours and some students already do both... im diggin these hakka styles... very nice hands... strong legs... fast... simply direct... love it...;)
Pak Mei Tonfa's on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO0GBnXjyPU
I never learned the form myself so I don't know how authentic this form is. It is just the only vid I found on pak mei tonfa so far :)
Thanks Olaf I don't have video on my phone I have to watch them tommorow so please post whatever you can..are there a lot of banquet demo's on Chinese web pages any one know?.
I just posted this one because I knew I saw it in the past. Just have a look around on Youtube. Plenty of videos there.
I have heard a few times that Meng Fu Chut Lum is meant to develop 'Geng Jak Ging' specifically from the wrist to the fingertips by using the 4 powers of the hand with soft power in connection with the coordinates. The idea being that the coordinates of the body are all mostly in unison already, but that the wrists are what is left because they are the hardest to connect with the rest of the body since they are the faarthest from the 'Dan Tian.'
Is this true? What was Meng Fu Chut Lum designed for?