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Look, here's the deal:

A: I'm a formula one level racing driver.

B: Really? Do you have a championship or something? Or a video of you doing a lap in an F1 car?

A: Do you?

B: Er - well,...

Well, much as it pains me to say 'he started it' lmao, just so you know - I mean, just so you don't have the perception that I suddenly started badgering poor Dale for some unknown reason, I actually...

Well, cool. If Dale can do that, cool. But it's not just about Dale - it's one of the big problems of this forum. All of the experts, jockeying for kudos, do seem extremely hostile to the idea of...

Rubbish. If you really cared about CMA, or good policy, you'd think it a good rule if 'before claiming to be a kung fu expert, you show yourself sparring first'.

Just think how much rubbish we'll...

Well we wouldn't want that to happen to this cerebral thread, would we?

No, I wouldn't - but why would I need to? When did I ever makeany claims about myself, and ask for your cash?

Nice try at making it about me - but this is about people who claim to be kung fu...

No, I don't want him to videotape everymoment of his life - I'm just noting that 'mouthboxer' first and foremost applies to anyone who says they'll beat people up yadda yadda, but don't have any...

So I'm to assume it's a no then - you don't have any videos of you using your skills actually in any kind of fight or combat situation?

Well, wouldn't the primary category of mouth boxer be people who assert themselves as martial arts experts and teachers, call others mouthboxers, but have no videos of themselves sparring or using...

It must take some efforts to keep this pigeon English stuffs going. I hope the roleplay is getting you something. It's ok - I know ;)

Wasn't it Wang Xiang Zhai who said that the best thing we can do for kung fu is point out all the frauds?

My my, talk about not knowing your yiquan theory.... tut tut.

What you're saying is, unless someone knows the full logic, method, ideology and system of yiquan, then they have no right to mention that yiquan guys can't even hit a punch bag with power.

Ok....

is another total fraud.

Well this all went well for yiquan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa2MwT8QZGQ ? This seems to be similar 'light contact' that makes real people fly away, but on a bag strangely looks like it wouldn't shoo away a fly!


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Can you video yourself hitting a punch bag the 'yiquan' way please? Oh - and put it up. I think all of this would be a lot clearer with a physical demo.

Well sort of, I guess.

As if by timely magic, this has recently been posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPoSedV6N1M

I found it to be poor, personally. There seems to be a disconnect between theory and practice....

Hey, personally I just wanted you to show something that looked like it would work in a fight of some kind. That being not done, you may now leave. Seriously, it's over - everything else is just m o...

For the Good Lord's sake - at least dummies can be hit! The dummies in your videos fly back without even being hit! Any video of actual contact with a punch bag?? One that doesn't know that it should...

Well duh - he's not going to actually call it 'magic' any more than calling it fraud. What you do is use a lot of mumbo jumbo and call anyone who doesn't buy it an idiot. *irony*

So, basically,...

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Honest to goodness, the old guy is such an obvious fraud. I wouldn't mind if this was one of those 'Cung Le never fights anyone good' type arguments - but, in this case, it's so obvious he's a...

However, Yiquan ground-fighting looks pretty impressive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEO5i6UJVA0

Is 'yiquan' Chinese for 'all talk'?

Seriously? You got nothing at all? Not even one vid?

Really?