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IMO, in the simplest terms, if I am looking to stick to/join with/deflect my opponent's arms, without trying to strike/control their center, then I am probably chasing hands.

But it's a tough...

Loi Lau, Hoi Sung. :)

As someone said to me at a recent seminar, "All of Yip Man Wing Tsun [Wing Chun/Ving Tsun] is in just eight characters (LLHS, LSJC). :)

Certainly it was a bit weird. I mean, challenges in Wing Chun are so... the 80s :D

That said, Gor Sau is part of Chi Sau training, and Gor Sau is developmental - it's used to test against an...

Yes, it does make a difference, I agree. But this is why I say oranges and tangerines - the acid level is different :D but it's the same fruit - or fruit family ;) My point is that in both the Kevin...

@ Buddha_Fist

Yes, I think comparing Kevin/Obasi to PB/Obasi and to Emin/Obasi is apples and oranges (with PB and EB it was clearly cooperative and learning-based).

But comparing Kevin/Obasi to...

Much better example of someone using their system to handle the situation - and he was in good control of the attempted knee from Obasi (who, also, looks in great shape in this clip - big guy! :eek:)

Probably the best and most honest post I've read from you.

The only sad thing in all of this, is that if PB is indeed unhappy with what he's seen/read from Kevin then it is likely that we'll have...

Interesting, if accurate. :eek:

We both see this video clip very, very differently. You think Kevin wasn't showing his method and that's why it looked crap, I think Kevin couldn't show his method, and that's why it was crap.
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LFJ, the whole clip was a failed attempt.

Kevin learns (indeed he also teaches) PBVT. The two get into an online dispute (take a look at Kevin here and I think you can see how the might happen...

But look - if you watch that video clip and from a PBVT perspective, or a WSLVT perspective, it answers all of your questions and/or satisfies your wants and needs regarding Ving Tsun.... then fair...

I hate snakes. They scare the b'jesus out of me. If someone said, "Hey, grab that snake," and I saw it and stood rooted to the spot from fear (a real possibility) and I therefore made absolutely no...

Sure, it's easy to speculate. So it's easy to say that such and such might have happened after the camera stopped rolling. As we don't know, all we can do is judge/examine what we saw when the camera...

Just to add, T_Ray; while Kevin posts to say that Obasi "pushed him to his limits" and commends Obasi for it, you're suggesting that Kevin was "not even attempting to compete."

So... pushed to his...

That's exactly what we've been saying. Kevin wasn't able to show anything he talks about online. So sure, not PBVT :D

Of course, I think you're trying to suggest that Kevin, quite consciously,...

Got it. Nothing to do with the clip. Thanks for the clarification.

I think it is proof he couldn't apply it against Obasi. But I think, at heart, that you know what I'm saying, what Hunt1 is saying and what KPM is saying. And I think from your posts, that you...

It's absolutely true, IMO, that Chi Sau is a developmental drill - and there are lots of ways to train Chi Sau. But Gor Sau is about mixing it up and seeing how you're able to apply the art's...

Yes. Now more than ever.

Honestly, from Kevin I don't expect much more. I can't imagine the man posting to admit that he didn't live up to hype he creates himself. And yes, he owes me nothing. And I don't like or dislike...

C'mon. Two people argue online, agree to meet and test with some Chi Sau, and you think they are going to roll in Poon Sao only? It is obvious that they'll play in Gor Sau. If Kevin was critical of...

Sorry, I had no idea that you were a PBVT guy. So I stand corrected, one other PBVT student posted (along with Kevin's short response).




Sure, there's life outside of the forums. It strikes...

The point is not in trying to see value in what Obasi does - I don't think many people would look at his Wing Chun with stars in their eyes.

The point is how Kevin tried to deal with what Obasi...

In Gor Sau things happen fast. If you have LLHS, LSJC shouldn't Kevin be exploiting the opening automatically? I'm sorry, but for me 90% of what Kevin proclaims is the PBVT system was not seen this...

For sure, Kevin stayed calm throughout, even though Obasi seemed kinda pumped up. So credit to Kev for keeping a cool head.

Regarding chasing hands, I wasn't really referring to Kevin (and Obasi)...