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if you want the original form of da luohan (jintong luohan), yes there are many videos. i edited DeJun's video and cut the additional section off of it, so it's now actually the...

go here:
Playlist: Shaolin Kung Fu combat styles (YouTube)
first read the description (click on SHOW MORE),
then open each video, and click on SHOW MORE below each video to see the description....

luohan shiba shou, hong quan, qixing/chang hu xinyi, pao quan, tong bi quan, guandong quan, mei hua quan, zhaoyang quan, luohan quan, chang quan are shaolin.

fanzi quan is NOT shaolin, it's a...

Dejun's form is the competition form (original form + 3rd section). no, he learned it from his master SuFa.
if you cut out the last section of it, it's the original form. the original form is from...

on other forms, i have some words to say in next posts.

Shi DeCheng's is also the DengFeng version. DeCheng shows 1 part, Shi DeQi (YouTube) and Zhang Shijie show 2 parts, DeYang and encyclopedia show 3 parts.
you can identify this DengFeng version by...

much for today,

about the main styles, animal styles, etc., that you've mentioned, let's talk these later, maybe tomorrow.

Shoalin doesn't have a jingang quan itself. the same here, these jingang quans are also random forms from random sources.

there are several jingang quans:

1. Deqian's encyclopedia also has a...

those are random fake names, it's just tong bi quan.
those luohan forms, other than small and big, all come from the numerous 18-luohan styles made by all those peasant families. any family has made...

we already talked and said much about Dengfeng people breaking and adding 3rd sections to forms, a few things should be noted here:

1. such 3rd parts have been added not only to da luohan, but to...

da luohan is just 1 identity. too many versions come from astray people messing around with the original or with other people so-called versions, adding confusion to confusion.


well, as already...

you're welcome. let's continue.


his info mostly comes from what taught in his lineage by his masters. when it comes to Shaolin, even the lineages could be wrong. takes great logic and research...

notice that for jin tong xiao luohan there is 1 poplular video, that of Xingsen, from Liu Zhenhai's series.
Dejun and Deci also do it, but their form has an additional (say 3rd) part at the end....

i would recommend stay away from it, like the plague!
throw that DVD into a trash bin.

this version of da luohan (jin tong luohan), which is in Deqian's encyclopedia and is done by Deyang and...

oh oh oh, stop, stop!
there's originally 2 forms, small luohan and this jin tong xiao luohan, whatever you call it, big luohan or anything. it is not a modern, abridged, mumbled jumbled version of...

don't get things complicated, it's simple. da luohan is in fact the jin tong xiao luohan. it's traditionally called this way.

no. luohan 18 hands has evolved over time. how much? we don't know.
luohan 18 hands has been extensively reviewed in the Ming dynasty. they increased it into 18 forms. however, in the latter half of...

Deyang's, Deyong's, and Encyclopedia's luohan 18 hands are the same. except the encyclopedia moves the last elbow strike to the end.
no big deal. all sources of Shaolin are so messed up.
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Djuan, i'm a bit busy now, i'll answer tomorrow, though, the question is already very old.

you cannot say Miaoxing's luohan has been the holy grail. in fact, Miaoxing, like Degen, Sufa, and many others, had an extensive prior knowledge of folk martial arts before getting into Shaolin....

well, Miaoxing's poem is for the small luohan form. however, it's just general talking and could well apply to the big luohan form as well, even to the small hong quan, if you want.
anyway, poems...

hi pazman,

yea, it's complicated, or let me say it was complicated. there was lots of confusion when this thread started, but in the end, as far as related to luohan quan, it's all sorted out....

definitely. like other xiao&da pairs, these two are from totally different eras. xiao luohan is said to be much older, while jin tong luohan, which should be younger, itself is inferred by some...

the thing is that Zhu's luohan quan lacks the known signatures of the ancient luohan style. however, it is a descent system in fact. all forms we've seen so far seem pretty sophisticated in Shaolin...

the only thing i see that is in common between Shi Yongwen's and this Shaolin.org.cn (official Shaolin temple website) 18 luohan quans is thier 2nd forms, fu hu luohan, which in both is xiao luohan...