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Andy, everybody saw the truth when you posted your clips . :rolleyes: I've only just stopped laughing.

Chi sao is chi sao, fighting is fighting they aren't the same thing and don't mix. What was presented in the clips wasn't a good example of either, in fact it was IMHO very far from it.


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a couple of clips of very poor chi sao and a clip of what can best be described as a slap fest. The only thing deadly about any of the skills on show is the threat of the death of a spectator through...

I was responding to his post not yours, should of made it clearer but couldn't be arsed to quote the enormous original post. Python= classic :D

utter nonesense. There are very few poisons that kill as quickly as being decapitated or imobilise as quickly as severe nerve and tissue trauma coupled with blood loss. A bladed weapon is also a poor...

You're quite right it is my lineage and you're also completely right in what you say with regards to people getting hit, chances of contact and the resetting etc It was a demo (there was even a slo...

I agree that many get lost down a rabbit hole with chi sau and end up training unrealistic responses to unrealistic stimuli but if done properly with the end goal in mind you should be learning how...

Interesting that you take that view. I hadn't seen his post because he is on my ignore list. I thought you did grappling? surely you embrace the idea of tactile sensitivity?
Every grappling...

Using a blindfold in chi sao is an excellent way to develop tactile sensitivity. Sensitivity can of course be developed without using a blindfold but practising without the use of sight accelerates...

Andy, its not starwars or any other fantasy mate. The sensitivity / tactile reflex works very well and is not just the preserve of Wing Chun it is employed successfully by all top level grapplers and...

Sorry mate but if I believed for one second that such a promise ever existed (and I don't as Ip Man expressed his desire to spread the art of Wing Chun within the chinese community) then it would...

Again huge thanks to CFT for the translations. It's been one of the most interesting threads on here in a while.
Overall my opinion would be that there is very little difference in what has been...

Really interesting clip. Some very major differences to the way I was taught which is far closer to the WSL vids posted. I'd love to hear more from other lineages to see what other generally accepted...

Shame certain others on here can't have an equally open mind. It never hurts to understand other points of view even if it only serves to reinforce what we already believe.

Seconded here, no small task.

Hi Moshe, have you tried the move against a resisting opponent? I shall have a play but will admit I'm sceptical. I was taught that the movement is to allow you to recover from losing balance and...

We have the movements where you bend over but I'm intruiged as to how it helps defend attacks from behind.

Again, according to what I was taught it's double lap sau but I can't help with the translation of claw as I don't speak cantonese (or any other dialect).

I'm interested to hear more about how bending over is a defence against attacks from the rear

Reading this and then comparing to what I was taught and what is shown in the video of WSL (leaving aside technique differences like kup jarn v gwoy jarn), it looks like the order is different....

If it helps the technique is called Mun sau or asking hand in the way I was taught. It has more of a vertical component to the travel than fak sau.

I may be mistunderstanding what you are trying to say but if the sensation of power / force / energy was constantly there I'd say that the student still had a way to go in their training. Constant...

Moshe, the whole mine is the only genuine wing chun claim thing is so eighties we've all moved on from there to a more enlightened era. If you are going to make claims at least make sure that your...