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    Thoroughly confused...

    I've seen plenty of fights claiming Wing Chun.

    Most will say there was no Wing Chun used.
    Some will say it's just a different lineage.

    But I saw literally nothing that resembles Wing Chun in...
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    Have to disagree with this last line, because you...

    Have to disagree with this last line, because you can easily weed out those who don't understand real traditional Shaolin by determining that all they know is one form of, for example, XHQ, when...
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    I don't want to be unfair to someone I don't...

    I don't want to be unfair to someone I don't know, but, I wouldn't trust a mainland guy who learned Wing Chun at a university. It's likely the watered down "wushu" version the government has tried to...
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    I don't agree significant power is being traded...

    I don't agree significant power is being traded off. It's a matter of correct training for punching power, which is a primary focus of VT.

    I don't think that's a realistic threat, anyway. So,...
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    Good point. When looking to fill gaps it's...

    Good point. When looking to fill gaps it's important to do so intelligently, taking into consideration what exactly you're trying to accomplish if you hope to do so successfully. Don't just grab from...
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    VT purposefully doesn't overextend or overrotate...

    VT purposefully doesn't overextend or overrotate for a reason. That's not a gap to be filled.

    It would be considered cross training to incorporate those things, but it would be counterproductive...
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    Good video. If lacking long-range strategy and...

    Good video.

    If lacking long-range strategy and tactics in Wing Chun, borrowing from boxing is a bad idea if not looking to fight under their ring rules.
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    Gap-filling is plugging holes in non-functional...

    Gap-filling is plugging holes in non-functional methods when essential parts are missing from a system, most likely due to loss in transmission for whatever reason. It's essential because without it,...
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    You can't expect someone to believe and accept...

    You can't expect someone to believe and accept your view is true just because you feel frustrated if they don't.

    I don't attack people. I do critically analyze methods, and a couple people take it...
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    Holy hell, dude... no. I can humor a religious...

    Holy hell, dude... no.

    I can humor a religious person in their worldview to reach an understanding and make some points without adopting their worldview.

    Likewise, I only care about pre-contact...
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    Who have I attacked that I don't like? Kind of...

    Who have I attacked that I don't like?

    Kind of seems like that's what you're doing with all the ad hominems in response to a technical discussion.
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    Correct, but it does not follow that "everything...

    Correct, but it does not follow that "everything is really just a punch".



    ?

    There is a need to reference the person who brought up different ranges because that is who the debate is with.
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    Doesn't mean they used the blindside method. I've...

    Doesn't mean they used the blindside method. I've never seen it happen on any fight video from TWC.

    Also, I know Phil likes to brush people off by telling them he used to fight competitively, but...
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    Further ad hominem... There is no evidence...

    Further ad hominem...

    There is no evidence online that anyone can get this method to work, as it is not seen even in the many available fight videos online.

    There could be someone getting it to...
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    Here: False. A kick, for example, is not...

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    False. A kick, for example, is not a punch.



    Ranges as defined by KPM are encompassed within contact and pre-contact.
    What he defines as "long-range" is the outer limit of...
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    Criticism is not valid unless the critic can do...

    Criticism is not valid unless the critic can do and has done better, and can demonstrate it on video.
    Otherwise, no need to even consider the criticism, right?

    Can we say ad hominem?



    Why...
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    No. You said everything is a punch to me. I've...

    No. You said everything is a punch to me. I've been talking about kicking. If a kick is not a punch, then your statement is false.



    I have the empirical evidence to support it. Anything I've...
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    WTF are you on about? So, you edit your...

    WTF are you on about?



    So, you edit your post to take out the part that says KPM didn't even post in this thread, after you realize you're wrong, yet leave this BS about me thinking of him and...
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    Is a kick really just a punch? :confused: ...

    Is a kick really just a punch? :confused:



    I agree with you here. These range terms were applied by KPM because he knows more about boxing than VT.

    VT deals with pre-contact and contact...
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    Did I say a boxer can never reach me? No. I...

    Did I say a boxer can never reach me? No.

    I said I can reach him with kicks at a distance where he can't reach me without leaping forward.

    Unless someone has arms longer than my legs...


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    Pretty much. I can contact a boxer with kicks...

    Pretty much.

    I can contact a boxer with kicks where he can't reach me, yet boxing has long-range and VT doesn't?
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    Boxing doesn't really have a long-range game,...

    Boxing doesn't really have a long-range game, since there's no kicking allowed.

    Boxing stances and footwork are vulnerable to kicks at a range where they can't land punches without leaping...
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    Correct. It's trading punches at arms' length....

    Correct. It's trading punches at arms' length. Not something to suggest against a good boxer.
    The constant circling to outside the opponent's lead leg gets very predictable, very soon, too.

    The...
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    Well, I think he's talking about his mainland...

    Well, I think he's talking about his mainland Wing Chun lineage, which is focused more on standing grappling than striking, as far as I've been able to tell. So, his interpretation of chi-sau is...
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG1WC982Ma8...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG1WC982Ma8
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