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OK, there's very little information now being exchanged in this thread based on the subject, so I might as well call it a day. Gene Ching's book should arrive next week or the week after. I might end...

Do or do not imitate animals? Sorry, it's been a while and your response is now out of context. Are the 5 animals you refer to part of what RenDaHai studies in traditional Hong Quan?

Thank you for your psychological assessment of me. To me it's very important to know about Shaolin Kung Fu in history, but sure, it's not important to everyone else. I came here to learn about more...

Nope, I'm looking for evidence. I follow wherever the evidence takes me. Since this is about pre-20th century, I'm not interested in what's happening at the Shaolin Temple now. And I came here not...

This forum is about exchanging information. It's not about trying to confuse people or analyse their agendas/personalities. You're trying to look for something in me that doesn't exist. I've provided...

The video of your master is not enough. Is he featured on any lineage charts or magazine articles or martial arts websites/biographies? It would be nice if your testimony was in context with that of...

This is complete nonsense. We've agreed that Wushu was created just before the Cultural Revolution. Before that, what was Wushu? There was no sport before that. But then I heard Wushu is some ancient...

You think I've got adequate answers here? You must be joking. I'm just hoping Gene Ching's book is going to shed some light.

The scale of that Google Maps view is quite large. I agree there would have been villages spaced apart at 5-15 miles apart (you can't really count hamlets as being major hotspots of Shaolin Kung Fu...

I was expecting a lot more styles than just Chang Quan as well as details about animals taught at Song Shan past and present. Also, a list of Shaolin masters born in the late 19th/early 20th century...

OK, time for a recap and to summarise what we have discussed:
MY QUESTION: What did pre-20th century Shaolin Kung Fu consist of as taught at the temple, and did it include animals styles? (credible...

What is that going to tell me about the history? I'm no expert on Chinese architecture.

We have maps in England that show all the villages going back 500 years ago. China is the longest unbroken civilisation with some of the oldest paintings. They definitely will have maps going back...

Suburbs are modern day. Villages never had suburbs in historical times and there were less towns, etc. This talk of villages is a complete red herring/straw man. It's totally irrelevant to pre-20th...

Your first paragraph/sentence sounds like a contradiction to your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs.



You are missing the point. The movie is based on the southern style practised by real martial artists...

In the absence of old maps that you don't seem to be able to provide, please give me some examples of ancient architecture:
*Name of the building(s) (can be in Simplified Chinese if necessary)...

How Shaolin Temple, it's villages and Kung Fu appear now (or to the previous generation) has no bearing on history or how they were in the pre-20th century. What were the Shaolin monks learning at...

If Song Shan Shaolin Temple has been practising traditional Hong Quan for several hundred years then who was practising traditional Wu Shu before it became a sport just before the Culturual...

Cheers for the info!


Did these guys all study Hong Chuan Quan or consult masters of that style?


Does Hong Chuan Quan (or related sets) include the Monkey you spoke of that actually imitates...

Why can't you guys show me a 18th/19th century map of Henan showing all these villages intact? If I had to prove the existence of buildings in my country several hundred years ago then it would be...

That's what the teacher says to the student when he doesn't know the answer to the student's question.


What makes you think I don't understand the difference? Is it something in particular I...

Here's a little reward for you, my friend, for all your patience (hope you like it):
http://www.rarekungfumovies.com/forum/images/stjl1.jpg

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I didn't know about that, but LKL has a special place in my heart. His films were the first to showcase pure Chinese martial arts styles. I wondered why some other non-Shaw Brothers movies also...

Thanks for clarifying that. I've always wondered the difference between Hung Gar and Hung Kuen. Now I know.

I only saw Kenpo in a movie called Perfect Weapon, otherwise I don't know much about it. I heard it has links to Japan or Taiwan or something, but my knowledge is poor.

Does anyone know if...