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In regards to it "all being shaolin".

This is true.

Even Shaolin Do is shaolin.

Sil Lum, Siu Lahm, Choy, Mok, Hua, Chen, Yang, Li, all the Gars all the Pais, Chuan Fa, Kempo, Kun Tao...

anyone can buy a stone at shaolin. they are not "honours" that are placed there for you. you need to make a "donation" to get one. but anyone can get one.

To use them as proof is indeed proof of...

uh, it's easy enough to find out where Gene got his fu from. heh heh. The source is legit as is the lineage at al.

I won't speak for Gene though.

I will have to add that the only ones who take...

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provided there isn't a punchline to your query, :-)

I am not a buddhist monk, so I can't tell you what it means to one, however, compassion would mean the same to you and I as a...

Yes Gene, that is true. The thervada school held that one could only become enlightened through the monastic experience and the complete release from worldly bonds. The lay people could only make a...

well...:D

For the purpose of pointing it out...

Originally in buddhism, there was what is know as "the teachings of the elders".

This was the original form of buddhism. It is called...

chinwoo-er is finished with that koan now. :D

please pass it along to the next.

cheers

i owuld like to interject a viewpoint here.

Chan/zen, while in practice is not hidered by dogma or doctrine has at it's roots some doctrinal knowledge and perhaps even a dogmatic approach to...

approximately 20 million Chinese were killed under Mao's rule.

Those who were the first to go were the scholars, the philosophers, the enemies of the state (dissidents) and anyone who propogated...

I agree that one shouldn't be possessive of the teachings. And in being that way, you either pass them along openly to the best of your ability, completely forget them or a bit of both.

The...

if i may, the contradiction is related to your first if, wherein your second and third if contradict that.

You say, if a style comes out of shaolin, then it's shaolin.

but then you contradict...

Interestingly enough, i think that you would have to ask what are the objectives of Shaolin?" (the order). What are the tenets and beliefs of the order. What are the prescribed paths of beginning and...

Well, meditation will take other aspects of your life to a higher level.

You will see and understand that which you only saw and understood externally and superficially before looking at it...

To be "Shaolin"

It must include Ch'an (zen).
It must include healing practices.
It must include Martial arts practice.

(personally, I feel the real benchmark is the Ch'an where as the martial...